Carter-Obama Comparisons Grow

[punked]

I don't think you were even born yet. Nobody wants to go back to the Carter years.

I see we speak for everyone now. Carters approval rating is pretty high for nobody wanting to go back to the Carter years. I get it they weren't super, however he lowered the debt to GDP, grew jobs and shrank unemployment. Those are facts.

[bush_cheney2004]

I see we speak for everyone now. Carters approval rating is pretty high for nobody wanting to go back to the Carter years. I get it they weren't super, however he lowered the debt to GDP, grew jobs and shrank unemployment. Those are facts.

You forgot Iran and the Shah....those are facts! LOL!

[punked]

You forgot Iran and the Shah....those are facts! LOL!

I don't forget them. I attribute them to Carter losing the presidency. A shaft in a helicopter broke taking the lives of those trying to save the hostages which cost Carter the presidency. "If not for a nail...........A kingdom was lost".

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't forget them. I attribute them to Carter losing the presidency. A shaft in a helicopter broke taking the lives of those trying to save the hostages which cost Carter the presidency. "If not for a nail...........A kingdom was lost".

Errr...excuse me...but FB-111's and F-14's are not helicopters.

Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter said Monday he was pressed by his advisers to attack Iran during the hostage crisis there more than 30 years ago but resisted because he feared 20,000 Iranians could have died.

[punked]

Errr...excuse me...but FB-111's and F-14's are not helicopters.

Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter said Monday he was pressed by his advisers to attack Iran during the hostage crisis there more than 30 years ago but resisted because he feared 20,000 Iranians could have died.

Yah but the RH-53 which crashed during the rescue mission sure was. They could have got the Hostages out if that didn't happen.

Edited September 23, 2010 by punked

[bush_cheney2004]

Yah but the RH-53 which crashed during the rescue mission sure was. They could have got the Hostages out if that didn't happen.

Bullpuckey....go back and read the details of Operation Eagle Claw....doomed from the git 'go.

[punked]

Bullpuckey....go back and read the details of Operation Eagle Claw....doomed from the git 'go.

Again if those helicopters could have flown through the sandstorm it would have worked.

[bush_cheney2004]

Again if those helicopters could have flown through the sandstorm it would have worked.

Nope...fuel consumption for other asets was bungled, poor service interoperability, C³I, etc. These problems were noted in the Holloway investigation.

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/hollowayrpt.htm

Edited September 23, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[August1991]

All true no word of a lie. Carter gets a bad wrap due to an oil embargo, a broken helicopter shaft, and everyone in Washington hating him because he would not play by their rules but all in all he wasn't a bad president.

"... a broken helicopter shaft... "?

Another book that I read this past summer was about the rescue attempt: The Guts To Try. The attempt failed at the beginning because it would have failed at so many other places. Only a fool would have approved it.

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Carter made some good nominations: for example, he named Paul Volcker. And Volcker stopped printing money, at a time when America no longer needed it. Volcker took the punch bowl away.

As to the Middle East, Sadat made that decision - not Carter. Sadat chose to go to Jerusalem. Nixon maybe can take minor credit, but not Carter.

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I'm not American and so I view the world as a foreigner, as you Americans say. I generally see Carter, post-presidency, as a fool.

Edited September 23, 2010 by August1991

[bush_cheney2004]

...I'm not American and so I view the world as a foreigner, as you Americans say. I generally see Carter, post-presidency, as a fool.

That's OK....the American voters made sure he was an ex-President as soon as possible...fool or not.

[Shady]

Let's not forget about Carter providing cover for North Korea to build nuclear weapons. That moron got a Nobel Peace Prize for that! Go figure.

[Shady]

Famed Obama 'Hope' poster artist losing hope

The artist whose poster of Barack Obama became a rallying image during the hope-and-change election of 2008 says he understands why so many people have lost faith.

In an exclusive interview with National Journal on Thursday, Shepard Fairey expressed his disappointment with the president -- a malaise that seems representative of many Democrats who had great expectations for Obama.

AP

I can't believe they used the term malaise!!!

[sharkman]

Let's not forget about Carter providing cover for North Korea to build nuclear weapons. That moron got a Nobel Peace Prize for that! Go figure.

Yeah, that was a real low point for the Nobel people and I thought it would be safe, then they go award it to Obama for winning an election. Even he said he hadn't done anything to win it yet.

[nicky10013]

Let's not forget about Carter providing cover for North Korea to build nuclear weapons. That moron got a Nobel Peace Prize for that! Go figure.

Ahahah uhhhhh citation please.

[bud]

shady and the people like him and their vindication of obama's ineffectiveness would have some meaning if they didn't so passionately and blindly support the only other team that they seem to know exists.

[Moonlight Graham]

Can Obama farm peanuts?

No.

END OF COMPARISON.

[bloodyminded]

shady and the people like him and their vindication of obama's ineffectiveness would have some meaning if they didn't so passionately and blindly support the only other team that they seem to know exists.

True; the partisanship does not necessarily undermine the arguments, but it often underlines their selectivity.

I wouldn't attribute this to bush_cheney2004's Op, however, which I see as reportage without blind sanctimony.

Edited September 26, 2010 by bloodyminded

[dre]

Its hard to judge Carter objectively. The US has had such poor government going back about 40 years that trying to distinguish between the various repub and dem administrations is rather like trying to choose between getting aids and hepetitus.

I see the comparison being made here that compared to Reagan, Carter was pretty good. That may be true, but its setting the bar pretty damn low.

Both Carter and Reagan (and Bush, and Obama for that matter) are representitive of the kind or horrendous governmence produced by the US political system.

[bush_cheney2004]

....Both Carter and Reagan (and Bush, and Obama for that matter) are representitive of the kind or horrendous governmence produced by the US political system.

Not sure what "governmence" is, but it is far more directly "representitive" (sic) than the system and governance in Canada. Liberty is "horrendous" to those who value something else instead.

Edited September 26, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[dre]

Not sure what "governmence" is, but it is far more directly "representitive" (sic) than the system and governance in Canada. Liberty is "horrendous" to those who value something else instead.

I wasnt talking about liberty I was talking about naked, unabashed incompetence and mismanagment, and the driving into the ground of America by republican and democratic administrations for the last 40 years, and a government that a huge majority of Americans think is profoundly broken and useless.

[bush_cheney2004]

I wasnt talking about liberty I was talking about naked, unabashed incompetence and mismanagment, and the driving into the ground of America by republican and democratic administrations for the last 40 years, and a government that a huge majority of Americans think is profoundly broken and useless.

You're missing the entire point of America....the idea is not to always play it safe as in Canada. The last 40 years may as well be the last 240 years for all you know. Americans don't like to be "managed".

Edited September 26, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[nicky10013]

Ahahah uhhhhh citation please.

Here I was excited thinking that Shady finally had the cojones to show me how Carter gave the North cover to build a nuke. Guess I was too hopeful thinking that he'd prove any of the unsubstantiated claims he makes. Guess I shouldn't expect anything more from, well, you know...nut jobs who'll spew anything to try and look good.

Edited September 27, 2010 by nicky10013

[bush_cheney2004]

Here I was excited thinking that Shady finally had the cojones to show me how Carter gave the North cover to build a nuke....

Shady is right...ex-President Carter continued his soft approach with the DPRK, after trying to remove US troops from South Korea during his presidency:

In 1994, the administration of President Bill Clinton had begun preparations for military action against North Korea when former President Jimmy Carter traveled to North Korea in June and extracted a promise from Kim Jong Il to freeze nuclear production. 1 The Agreed Framework was signed on Oct. 21, 1994.

As we know, the DPRK repeatedly violated the framework to force food and fuel oil concessions.

[nicky10013]

Shady is right...ex-President Carter continued his soft approach with the DPRK, after trying to remove US troops from South Korea during his presidency:

In 1994, the administration of President Bill Clinton had begun preparations for military action against North Korea when former President Jimmy Carter traveled to North Korea in June and extracted a promise from Kim Jong Il to freeze nuclear production. 1 The Agreed Framework was signed on Oct. 21, 1994.

As we know, the DPRK repeatedly violated the framework to force food and fuel oil concessions.

Funny, Clinton sent him. What was that again?

In 1994, North Korea had expelled investigators from the International Atomic Energy Agency and was threatening to begin processing spent nuclear fuel. In response then-President Clinton pressured for US sanctions and ordered large amounts of troops and vehicles into the area to brace for war.

Bill Clinton secretly recruited Carter to undertake a peace mission to North Korea, under the guise that it was a private mission of Carter's. Clinton saw Carter as a way to let North Korean President Kim Il-sung back down without losing face.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0405.kaplan.html

[bush_cheney2004]

Funny, Clinton sent him. What was that again?

Carter was sent because of the soft touch he developed for the DPRK while in office. The "framework" promptly failed time and again. Carter continues to have access for humanitarian missions to this day.