waldo Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 There were a thousand people at that rally, at least, and even your cites say there were 100 black people. That's like ten percent! The tea bagger message/platform resonates with a lot of Americans and the more the message gets out the more it resonates. Your job - squelch that message, play the race card, call Beck and Palin names and nutters. Don't address the issues though, you 'll lose on that count. Pliny math fail! Is that 100 quoted blacks in the 87,000 estimate... or Beck's claimed 300,000 number... or perhaps Michelle Bachmann's 1,000,000 estimate number? I'd missed the earlier references to Bachmann being there - the trifecta!!! Beck/Palin/Bachmann - oh my! Gee Pliny, I thought the thread has covered the Beck-Palin-a-palooza issues quite well... exploitation of MLK, trumped up (fake) inclusiveness, Beck/Palin invoking the military, support the troops card, the religulous Beck/Palin (h/t Bill Maher), angry white guys taking back their country... did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Gee Pliny, I thought the thread has covered the Beck-Palin-a-palooza issues quite well... exploitation of MLK, trumped up (fake) inclusiveness, Beck/Palin invoking the military, support the troops card, the religulous Beck/Palin (h/t Bill Maher), angry white guys taking back their country... did I miss something? Are you there, Waldo? I think I get a recording every time I address one of your posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Are you there, Waldo? I think I get a recording every time I address one of your posts. huh? Nothing received yet Pliny... did your dog eat it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukin Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Waldo is usually wrong. He doesn't deal in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Waldo is usually wrong. He doesn't deal in reality. lukin... buddy - your silence/absence was noticed... some of us tried to keep your Green Agenda thread alive... I guess you didn't like the way it was going, hey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 huh? Nothing received yet Pliny... did your dog eat it? Nice day today, Waldo. Have a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 I think it is far-fetched to talk about secularism to described what the Founding Fathers had in mind. That being said, they most likely didn't have the type of hate-mongering fear-mongering rambling of the likes of Glenn Beck in mind either. Can you give us some examples of the so called "hate-mongering-fear-mongering rambling"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Can you give us some examples of the so called "hate-mongering-fear-mongering rambling"? Good question. Apparently it's hateful to disagree with Obama's policies. And it's hateful for thinking he's racist. Nevermind the fact that everybody who was so bent out of shape about that constanly call conservatives racists. But that isn't hateful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Those aren't examples. That's just more rambling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 (edited) Since MLK was opposed--harshly opposed--to the adventure in Vietnam, and spoke out loudly against "American militarism," I think it's pretty safe to say that Mr. Beck would have started crying, fallent to the floor in a tantrum, and denounced the "Nazi socialist" King in no uncertain terms. But he's too politically correct to say what he really feels, when Kings' legacy is summoned in a conveniently selective way. Edited September 3, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Since MLK was opposed--harshly opposed--to the adventure in Vietnam, and spoke out loudly against "American militarism," What exactly is Beck's view on the Vietnam war and American militarism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 What exactly is Beck's view on the Vietnam war and American militarism? Beck's whole military fetishism displays an untoward, almost religious support for American militarism. Wasn't part of his rally a "support the troops" whine-fest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naomiglover Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 can anyone spot Shady? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 (edited) Beck's whole military fetishism displays an untoward, almost religious support for American militarism. I'll ask again. What's Beck's military fetishism? What religious like support from American militarism are you talking about? What support for the Vietnman war? Wasn't part of his rally a "support the troops" whine-fest? Not to my knowledge. Edited September 3, 2010 by Shady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 can anyone spot Shady? Shady is a screen name composite of almost everyone in that video... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted September 3, 2010 Report Share Posted September 3, 2010 Beck's whole military fetishism displays an untoward, almost religious support for American militarism. Wasn't part of his rally a "support the troops" whine-fest? Would a leader be considered a militarist if he,in his capacity as a leader,sends more soldiers to fight someplace not on American soil?Does Obama qualify as a militarist since he,as a leader,sent more US soldiers to fight on foreign soil? And I'm still waiting for specific examples of Beck's so called hate speech.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Would a leader be considered a militarist if he,in his capacity as a leader,sends more soldiers to fight someplace not on American soil?Does Obama qualify as a militarist since he,as a leader,sent more US soldiers to fight on foreign soil? Wouldn't that depend 100% on the circumstances? I'm not sure I catch the meaning of your questions, though I think the tenor is likely that of implied hostility and misdirection. But my point was of a cultural militarization, a kind of fetishization of "the troops," as I said: in which a perceived failure to properly "support the troops" raises tremendous politically-correct ire; in which the public feels that the troops are morally superior to a degraded culture, the symbol of all that is good about the country, and so on. Interestingly, according to Andrew Bacevich (himself a career military man), people in the military are increasingly growing in agreement with this broad assessment of their own moral superiority...a worrying sign, he says, for militaries serving democracies and democratic Republics. What no doubt appears to some people to be benign actually possesses some worrying signs...especially when "supporting the troops" becomes confused, and then synonymous, with supporting international political policy. This is exactly how "support the troops" is generally used. And I'm still waiting for specific examples of Beck's so called hate speech.... And I'm waiting for you to show me where I made any such charge. Perhaps you should keep your opponents' opinions straight in your mind; they don't always align. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 you know who i can't stand? Bill O'Reilly. Glenn Beck is just a wacky ADHD loon. But Bill is a d**k. He's one of those people who treats anyone who disagrees with him like a piece of crap. Yells them down, tells them to "shut-up", threatens to boot them off the set, cuts off their mic etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Would a leader be considered a militarist if he,in his capacity as a leader,sends more soldiers to fight someplace not on American soil?Does Obama qualify as a militarist since he,as a leader,sent more US soldiers to fight on foreign soil? And I'm still waiting for specific examples of Beck's so called hate speech.... Don't worry. I'm still waiting for some examples of Becks military fetishism and support for the Vietnam war. He continues to dodge on those as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 you know who i can't stand? Bill O'Reilly. Glenn Beck is just a wacky ADHD loon. But Bill is a d**k. He's one of those people who treats anyone who disagrees with him like a piece of crap. Yells them down, tells them to "shut-up", threatens to boot them off the set, cuts off their mic etc. That just isn't true. And don't pretend you watch his show, let alone subscribe to Fox News. Because we all know you don't. You're just regurgitating what you've heard from other sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Don't worry. I'm still waiting for some examples of Becks military fetishism and support for the Vietnam war. He continues to dodge on those as well. I'm not dodging anything. It's my assumption, and I have no evidence. And I remain assuming it';s the case. Do you honestly believe Beck doesn't think that the war was "just," and would have been won if it weren't for the treasonous Left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted September 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 That just isn't true. And don't pretend you watch his show, let alone subscribe to Fox News. Because we all know you don't. You're just regurgitating what you've heard from other sources. I find it amazing how Canadians make so many pronouncements about how Fox news is so awful, yet don't subscribe to it - how does that work LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 I find it amazing how Canadians make so many pronouncements about how Fox news is so awful, yet don't subscribe to it - how does that work LOL How do you know what people subscribe to? Besides, they have this new thing called the Internet, and you can even watch the TV on that, if you're so inclined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 How do you know what people subscribe to? Besides, they have this new thing called the Internet, and you can even watch the TV on that, if you're so inclined. They have the internet on computers now??? What'll they think of next??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 Don't worry. I'm still waiting for some examples of Becks military fetishism and support for the Vietnam war. He continues to dodge on those as well. It's true I assumed his support for the Vietnam War. It's also true I was correct: "The problem with Vietnam is we didn't fight to win," explains Beck. "When you declare a war, there are no rules. Have you learned the lesson of Vietnam that we can't fight it half-assed? We need to fight it to the last body." After that, it gets hilarious, as Beck takes a scene from Sylvestor Stallone's First Blood and tries to pass it off as a personal anecdote: Beck then goes for the emotional jugular for the first time. The move comes in the form of a story about an unnamed "friend" of Beck's. This friend returned from Vietnam only to endure the abuse of protesting peaceniks. "He got off the plane from Vietnam and a woman spat in his face and called him 'baby killer,'" explains Beck. "Then he left his medal of honor in a trash can."Whether Beck was aware that he was quoting almost verbatim from Sylvester Stallone's closing monologue in "First Blood," it is impossible to say. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/23/glenn_beck_three/print.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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