Topaz Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Canadians born after 1966 are worried us, babyboomers are going to put pressure on the healthcare systems across this country and they will ended pay for it. Does every generation goes through this? What should be do, kill everyone after the age of 80? Or do we have everyone that CAN afford it pay for their own? Do we reward Canadians who keep themselves healthy and fit on their income taxes? Anyone with a solution? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/survey-finds-most-fear-boomers-will-cripple-health-care-system/article1681662/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Canadians born after 1966 are worried us, babyboomers are going to put pressure on the healthcare systems across this country and they will ended pay for it. Does every generation goes through this? What should be do, kill everyone after the age of 80? Or do we have everyone that CAN afford it pay for their own? Do we reward Canadians who keep themselves healthy and fit on their income taxes? Anyone with a solution? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/survey-finds-most-fear-boomers-will-cripple-health-care-system/article1681662/ This is a problem face by most western nations. Common solutions to it are raising the retirement age and freezing or cutting social security benefits. But in Canada the most important step we could take is to end medical protectionism in order to drive down prices in the medical services industry. Iv introduced a couple of different ways to do this, one would involve making it very easy for doctors and other health professionals to immigrate here and set up shop. The other is to move patients to other countries for major operations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Raise the retirement age to 70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 I'm not sure that Topaz's option to kill everyone over 80 would go over very well with the seniors. Keep in mind that they vote in high numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 I'm not sure that Topaz's option to kill everyone over 80 would go over very well with the seniors. Keep in mind that they vote in high numbers. Why 80, why not 30 like in Logan's Run? Keep the Younger Generation as the ONLY generation and voila! problems solved. It was also take care of overpopulation, pollution, global warming, overfishing and ecological extinction and it would also settle which decade had the best music! Your Lifelock is black Hardner, off to the Carousel you go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) Why 80, why not 30 like in Logan's Run? Keep the Younger Generation as the ONLY generation and voila! problems solved. It was also take care of overpopulation, pollution, global warming, overfishing and ecological extinction and it would also settle which decade had the best music! Your Lifelock is black Hardner, off to the Carousel you go... I sleep with goat placenta on my face so I am forever young. Edited August 24, 2010 by Michael Hardner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksandar Maksimovic Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Indeed, it is something we could worry about. But we are not the only country in which it happens. Now we can raise the retirement to 70 years old, but I can only imagine how people will feel about this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) The retirement age will naturally have to increase. People are living ever longer and healthier lives and life expectancies will only continue to increase as medical technology continues to advance. I'm a member of the "younger generation" and I don't expect to retire til I'm well past 100, and am fine with that... Edited August 24, 2010 by Bonam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 The retirement age will naturally have to increase. People are living ever longer and healthier lives and life expectancies will only continue to increase as medical technology continues to advance. I'm a member of the "younger generation" and I don't expect to retire til I'm well past 100, and am fine with that... In the alternative, we could just increase the immigration rate. Having more people here to spread the burden can head off a potential disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted August 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 What about the two-tiered system, with checks and balances. Families, who's income is well over 250,000, pay their own way to private clinic where the doctors only work there and not in the public system. This way no DRs are taken away from the public system.Perhaps have more specialty hospitals like for cancer, heart, etc. This is a real tough problem, but I like to see how much waste there are in hopitals. I like to hear from the nurses and the doctors how they would go about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 In the alternative, we could just increase the immigration rate. Having more people here to spread the burden can head off a potential disaster. Only if their life expectancy is around 59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) Canadians born after 1966 are worried us, babyboomers are going to put pressure on the healthcare systems across this country and they will ended pay for it. Does every generation goes through this? What should be do, kill everyone after the age of 80? Or do we have everyone that CAN afford it pay for their own? Do we reward Canadians who keep themselves healthy and fit on their income taxes? Anyone with a solution? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/survey-finds-most-fear-boomers-will-cripple-health-care-system/article1681662/ Everyone should be worried, and everyone will be f'ed when the poop really starts to hit the fan. I'll be paying crazy taxes for my boomer parents to receive health care. I won't be able to find a long-term care facility space for my 'rents if they so need it, and there wont be any hospital beds for grabs so my ailing and elderly parents will be living with my as i care for them. My 'rents will be screwed out of their pension, or i will be paying insane taxes to cover it. Overall, the health care of my 'rents will be of low quality. On top of everything, there will be cutbacks to a myriad of services and/or massive debt incurred to try to pay for this mess. Who do i blame? My parents' generation for not preparing properly for this long-predicted crisis. Edited August 24, 2010 by Moonlight Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 In the alternative, we could just increase the immigration rate. Having more people here to spread the burden can head off a potential disaster. That's like using a credit card to make a payment on another credit card. Only if their life expectancy is around 59 Exactly. The common sense solution is to raise the retirement age for people say 40 and under. People are living much longer. And 65 today is nothing like being 65 thirty years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianConservative Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 What would life be like if nobody lived past thirty,hmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Everyone should be worried, and everyone will be f'ed when the poop really starts to hit the fan. I'll be paying crazy taxes for my boomer parents to receive health care. I won't be able to find a long-term care facility space for my 'rents if they so need it, and there wont be any hospital beds for grabs so my ailing and elderly parents will be living with my as i care for them. My 'rents will be screwed out of their pension, or i will be paying insane taxes to cover it. Overall, the health care of my 'rents will be of low quality. On top of everything, there will be cutbacks to a myriad of services and/or massive debt incurred to try to pay for this mess. Who do i blame? My parents' generation for not preparing properly for this long-predicted crisis. The sky is falling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken_Danagger Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 What I think will happen is this... As the problem becomes more apparent as we get closer to realizing it...it will become a major political issue. All the parties will have basically the same thing to say on how to fix it...they will end up raising taxes until they ruin the economy(liberals) or their core supporters get too angry(conservatives)...and then they'll flip flop and introduce a two tier system (and at the same time screw the people who elected them and say they made the hard choice because they had too). If they were smart they'd do a lot of things now to ease the burden...things like... -ditch OHIP (I'm only talking ONtario here...although I suppose any province could do this) -introduce 2 tier health care -make it easier for Dr's and nurses to set up shop in this province. -get US-style insurance. -set up Medical Savings Accounts for people to contribute to their own health care and make it tax deductable like RRSP's. Gov't could do so much now...but they won't for fear of an electoral backlash. Nobody wants to touch this hot potatoe and we're all going to pay the price in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 What I think will happen is this... As the problem becomes more apparent as we get closer to realizing it...it will become a major political issue. All the parties will have basically the same thing to say on how to fix it...they will end up raising taxes until they ruin the economy(liberals) or their core supporters get too angry(conservatives)...and then they'll flip flop and introduce a two tier system (and at the same time screw the people who elected them and say they made the hard choice because they had too). If they were smart they'd do a lot of things now to ease the burden...things like... -ditch OHIP (I'm only talking ONtario here...although I suppose any province could do this) -introduce 2 tier health care -make it easier for Dr's and nurses to set up shop in this province. -get US-style insurance. -set up Medical Savings Accounts for people to contribute to their own health care and make it tax deductable like RRSP's. Gov't could do so much now...but they won't for fear of an electoral backlash. Nobody wants to touch this hot potatoe and we're all going to pay the price in the end. Nice user name. I take it you are a fan of Ayn Rand. Good suggestions on changes to health care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remiel Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Younger generations are going to get screwed either way. With a longer time before retirement, there is going to be a longer time for the good jobs to open up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Younger generations are going to get screwed either way. With a longer time before retirement, there is going to be a longer time for the good jobs to open up. Man it's like you guys live in some kind of static world where you have to wait for people to die before you can get a spot in society. New jobs are created, new houses are built, new technologies are developed. A huge chunk of jobs today, among them almost anything to do with software, information technology, internet, computers, telecommunications, did not exist 30 years ago. Did we have to wait for people to retire to get those jobs? No. These jobs were created through innovation and economic growth. These will continue to be driving factors of our economy in the future. 30 years from now, many people will be employed in jobs and companies that do not exist today and cannot even be foreseen or imagined today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 These jobs were created through innovation and economic growth. Actually these jobs were created as a result of immigration and exportation - both of which are unsustainable in their current forms. Increase the market and jobs and technology will naturally follow. The Problem: Not only is the workforce going to shrink, but the quality of jobs is shrinking as well. 130,000 jobs lost last month and only 126,000 part-time jobs created. That is a trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukin Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Governments, of all parties need to be more careful spending tax dollars. Health care is very expensive, no question. Why should someone be allowed to move to Canada, become a Canadian citizen, move back to their country of origin, and receive Canadian benefits despite the fact that they are no longer living in Canada. how many tax dollars are spent supporting Canadians -of-Convenience in other countries? This is just one small example of how tax dollars are wasted; tax dollars that could be put to much better use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 When the water-hole gets smaller the animals get meaner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 That is a trend. Actually it isn't a trend. The trend was jobs gained each month for several months. July was an outlier. Now if August is the same, then maybe you can call it a trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter.rights Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Actually it isn't a trend. The trend was jobs gained each month for several months. July was an outlier. Now if August is the same, then maybe you can call it a trend. Actually this pattern has been going on for a couple of years. The more recent recession simply accelerated it. Full-time jobs have been on the decline for a number of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Full-time jobs have been on the decline for a number of years. No, that isn't true. Since 2008, yes, due to job losses in general related to the recession. However, that's not the case pre-2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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