Ship of Sri Lankan Tamils Arrives in Canada

[Kanadischer]

You're a white supremecist and a neo-NAZI...

In other words...Scum!!!!

You can use whatever 10 dollar euphemism you want to describe yourself...You're Waffen-SS quote in your sig is a dead give away...

Go back to your CFL blog,Lictor...

Now that's funny. Someone who can't distinguish the difference between "You're" and "Your" is calling me "scum". "Neo-Nazi"? Give me a break; I am an old school National Socialist; not one these hooligans who run around screaming "White Power!". I despise those nutjobs. White Supremacist? I don't think I'm better than anyone else; I simply acknowledge the differences in race and act accordingly. Contrary to what you said, I believe my quote proves my point that National Socialism is not about hatred, but rather love for your people, your way of life, and your country. I have the right to be on this forum, just like you do. This is not a Liberal Forum, or a strictly conservative forum; this is a political forum which I came to because I love politics and enjoy talking about it.

[Jack Weber]

Now that's funny. Someone who can't distinguish the difference between "You're" and "Your" is calling me "scum". "Neo-Nazi"? Give me a break; I am an old school National Socialist; not one these hooligans who run around screaming "White Power!". I despise those nutjobs. White Supremacist? I don't think I'm better than anyone else; I simply acknowledge the differences in race and act accordingly. Contrary to what you said, I believe my quote proves my point that National Socialism is not about hatred, but rather love for your people, your way of life, and your country. I have the right to be on this forum, just like you do. This is not a Liberal Forum, or a strictly conservative forum; this is a political forum which I came to because I love politics and enjoy talking about it.

My obvious grammatical error aside...

I think I'll let some others here answer your historical silliness...

Fascism is Fascism...Yours is it's most virulent form and it was,thankfully,wiped out....

[Michael Hardner]

Now that's funny. Someone who can't distinguish the difference between "You're" and "Your" is calling me "scum". "Neo-Nazi"? Give me a break; I am an old school National Socialist;

This was, as I recall, exactly the position of the poster known as Lictor - are you him ?

[Jack Weber]

This was, as I recall, exactly the position of the poster known as Lictor - are you him ?

It is him...

Lictor was logging in a few minutes ago and ...PRESTO...Kandischer shows up!!!!

Tell us again Licky,how we should have sided with Hitler to save us from Communism...Because the NAZI's were so benevolent?

How 'bout that fantasy Fascist global empire???

Have you found out about Du Bois' essay of 1903 and how it relates to the ethos of the NAACP,or are you still erroneously calling it "cultural Marxism"?

Edited August 24, 2010 by Jack Weber

[Kanadischer]

It is him...

Lictor was logging in a few minutes ago and ...PRESTO...Kandischer shows up!!!!

Tell us again Licky,how we should have sided with Hitler to save us from Communism...Because the NAZI's were so benevolent?

How 'bout that fantasy Fascist global empire???

Have you found out about Du Bois' essay of 1903 and how it relates to the ethos of the NAACP,or are you still erroneously calling it "cultural Marxism"?

I actually have no idea who this "lictor" fellow is; and I have yet to see him on the forum posting anywhere...If you don't believe me, I'm sure there are some tech savvy members on here who can run a simple IP trace and figure out I am not even from the same region as this "lictor" fellow, unless of course I am, then maybe we should go out for a beer!

[Kanadischer]

Can someone point me to the direction of "Lictor's" profile? I'd love to discuss somethings with him, because apparently he and I are so much alike. Anyone have a link to his profile, or perhaps a thread where I can find it? Cheers!

[eyeball]

Who said anything about citizenship?

Whatever status it is they get, it's good if it's protecting Tamils from Sri Lanka's government.

[Jack Weber]

Whatever status it is they get, it's good if it's protecting Tamils from Sri Lanka's government.

True,but only if we can be sure that the Tamil Tiger terrorist element is not allowed in this country...

Can we be assured of this?

[eyeball]

True,but only if we can be sure that the Tamil Tiger terrorist element is not allowed in this country...

Can we be assured of this?

I think this whole terrorist element thing is a big pile of crap and that Canada is in desperately short supply of people who crave freedom from the sorts of governments that embrace repression.

The more the merrier.

[ToadBrother]

I think this whole terrorist element thing is a big pile of crap and that Canada is in desperately short supply of people who crave freedom from the sorts of governments that embrace repression.

The more the merrier.

The more Tamil Tigers the merrier?

[M.Dancer]

I think this whole terrorist element thing is a big pile of crap and that Canada is in desperately short supply of people who crave freedom from the sorts of governments that embrace repression.

The more the merrier.

The tigers are as repressive as they come. Ethnic cleansing, extortion. piracy etc etc...On the otherhand, Sri Lanka is a democracy...well known for having the first woman elected as the head of state.

[DogOnPorch]

The more Tamil Tigers the merrier?

Well...he states:

I think this whole terrorist element thing is a big pile of crap

So there are no Tamil Tigers.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

I think that terrorists are criminals, a special class of specific scum. In time I expect that there will be special legislation an agreed upon international code if you will that will see these people dealt with in a special manner.

[g_bambino]

Whatever status it is they get, it's good if it's protecting Tamils from Sri Lanka's government.

And what of the 62,000,0000 other refugees in the world?

[M.Dancer]

Whatever status it is they get, it's good if it's protecting Tamils from Sri Lanka's government.

This might be one of those confusing moments for Eyeball....

On one hand a ship ordered by human traffickers and filled with potentially terrorist queue jumpers....

...and on the other the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka whose multi party government is elected through universal suffrage and proportional representation....

What a conundrum!

[g_bambino]

...and on the other the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka whose multi party government is elected through universal suffrage and proportional representation....

Clearly the human rights violations lie in the lack of citizens' assemblies guided by experts.

[sp]

Edited August 24, 2010 by g_bambino

[M.Dancer]

Clearly the human rights violations lie in the lack of citizens' assemblies guided by experts.

[sp]

...or because of them...

[g_bambino]

...or because of them...

Let's not get ahead of ourselves...

[justme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG_xOE7uRSA

Full interview:

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/05/02/HP/A/32408/In+Depth+Pat+Buchanan.aspx

[ironstone]

I think this whole terrorist element thing is a big pile of crap and that Canada is in desperately short supply of people who crave freedom from the sorts of governments that embrace repression.

The more the merrier.

There was a photo within the last week in the Ottawa Sun which showed some Liberal MP at a protest with a bunch of Tamils.The Tamils are holding TAMIL TIGER signs and this MP has a sh*t eating grin on his face and has just told these Tamils how much he supports them and their great cause.The Liberal said his words were taken out of context(how on earth I don't know).The point is,there are Tamil Tigers here in Canada raising money for their cause.It's also been reported that a number of Tamils,regularly go back to Sri Lanka.Clearly,they face little danger over there.This was reported in the Sun,but absolutely no mention of it in the left leaning,politically correct Ottawa Citizen.That's another topic,why a so called newspaper refuses to carry significant stories that don't fit their agenda.

[William Ashley]

I didn't get through the whole thread but here are my commnts on the first 3 or so pages.

in 1986, Mulroney accepted similar immigrants.

we should put these 500 people on two 747s and fly them back to Sri Lanka immediately

"resettle them in the North to assert sovereginty"

sponswership

we have subs for a reason... how are we suppose to exert sovreignty if we can't sink ships full of terrorists?

"and representatives abroad where any legitimate refugee can make their case before a Canadian"

You don't understand that embassies all around the world arn't secure from covert spying.

Walking into an embassy or otherwise might signle some individuals out for mistreatment, or monitoring.

This is why I advocate that you can't gain citizenship until paying an individual portion of the debt (once it is paid off, this fund would contribute to reserve funds or to pay current year fiscal spending - although this would be in the long term - and represent an average of what canadians living paid into the debt as a citizenship fee - all people who had paid the equally divided amount would not be required to pay taxes - but they would still pay service charges for some services based on income level - but those services would all be allowed to be competitive with private businesses and there would be no obligation to subscribe - some deemed essential services would offer subsidies based on income level)

Unfortunately the administrative system is badly broken, and overstressed. Refugees such as this can be awarded entry claim basis rather than detention etc.. in part based on providing clerifcal services, processing, or community service. Eg. if they assist lower government expenses, facilitate government processess to increase efficiency and time response of services, then they would be awarded "refugee points".

Those who did not would be sent back on the confiscated boat. If applicable or with shipping via Canadian merchant marine services, or another country would be allowed to arrange for their collection, if returning home wasn't an option. Optionally work camps could be set up in remote areas that could be monitored. These wouldn't be slave labour camps, but low point refugees would have the choice to work in the camps or be deported.

Is Canada right next door to Sri Lanka? - by water it is. The planet really isn't that big. It may seem that way to some, but it is a very very small planet for the many billions of people that live on it. Canada happens to have a lot of land, this is why it needs to be developed more, and more people brought into Canada that are willing to help in the way of living, and facilitate brotherly peace and friendship with all cultures of the world. While there is no threat, sustainable non destructive development can assist ease world population issues by spreading the population out a bit. Increasing food output etc..

Let them walk accross the border to the US? or move them to our french border, or to greenland, if they don't want to live and work in Canada and to contribute to the communities.

If we reinstitute the death penalty for serious crimes, insurrection, conspiracy etc.. it can deter "bad people" from coming to Canada and attempting to do bad stuff.

There is nothing wrong with more people as long as the immigration is manage and capped at the local economic growth rates and essential goods and housing surplus for various areas, and that landareas that don't have existing populations are developed. There are urban potential issues,

and we need a good management system for the population, not just newcomers.

This is why I think a citizens bank managed by the government is a direct way to manage finances.

If individuals don't have sponsers and don't have income or employment - they must get their means of survival from somewhere. Canada doesn't need more dependents --- BUT that is not to say refugees need be dependents, and institutionalized in a refugee system, there is a barrier. Just give cops more powers of arrest on refugees, harsher sentencing on them etc.. and let them come in easier. Let them pay for their citizenship (if they pay the people who don't like refugees can't say they are draining the system) also have people pay for their "free stuff" eg. if they get assistence, put it on their refugee SIN bank account as funds required repayed befor citizenship. Keep the tab running let people see how much it is costing. Then how much refugees end up contributing to the economy - put all the aggragates in including police, corrections health care etc.. --- have them work for the government in cost reducing activities (even if only for an hour or two a day) for example if they only have part time hours etc...

Have them put in, but there is no need to keep those wishing to come to Canada out.

Fact is there are rascists and people who don't like immigrants - even immigrants who are here now. I know some of them - but some of their complaints - not rascists are often that they suck money from taxpayers - and that is one place that can be crafted to prevent that behaviour.

The humanitarian aspect is valid, but if NO ONE.. is willing to sponswer them, feed them, etc.. then the government needs to, but the government is valid in creating a system that can sustain itself and not require taxpayer dollar inputs. Eg. a "immigration surchage" of 10$ for each new immigrant with money to pay for refugee services etc.. Any naturalized citizen would pay this fee to help new Canadians - if they actually were living alright - eg. above the poverty line - once again this transparent fee would only be assessed to the new people to take care of their kind. Also though natural born citizens could pay the fee too.

Let Canadians sponswer - if they put up a bond.. for new citizens and refugees, perhaps some groups would pay to sponser people, they sponser them overseas, why not hear?

As long as it ain't costing the government or forcing the taxpayers at gunpoint... what is the harm, if it is "availability" surplus, and growthrate based?

Where is the harm in helping those in need?

" gangsters and criminal organizations form from people who are in these groups."

The fact is that lots of Canadians are criminals, either petty crime, or linked with organized crime, it is pervasive in Canada. Even the politicians accuse each other of this on all sides of the yard.

Criminals arn't bad people unless they are breaking the law. Laws need to be reasonable and punishment fundamental. Restitution, or death - if they can't be rehabilitated in the community we need gulags for them - that have them contribute to the economy. Removed from society - BUT NOT prisons, send them to the North where escape would be through miles of tundra let the land be their prison. Give the innuit more guns, it would balance out.

There are excess seals now that they are banned everywhere but innuit land. Put the public safety risks to work, away from the public, let them live if they don't choose death. Forget about sentencing for time periods. Either have them in the public for stupid crimes forced to repay for what they have done, give them the help they need in public and if they are repeat offenderes of petty crimes send them upnorth for good, send the public safety risks up there right away.

Monitor the perminiter. Give them the basic help they need to know how to survive and let them be the long lost innuit tribe. Make it a martial law area, let them set their own rules for their communities, and shoot to kill if they flee. And always of course give the option of exile, or emmigration to them over forced frostitude. I hear it is warming up there anyway so who knows it could be good lands real soon. Lots of need for resource development up there. Have the good ones that don't fight the system go to resource camps befor iceberg land.

and don't punish facups, only people who are habitual, repititious or intentional with serious actual crimes (not all this intent, or attempted BS) either it happened or it didn't. Previous attempts could be used to substantiate , but if parts of an attempt are serious list those elements as seperate crimes.

A harsh penal system is the only sullutions and prisons have been a 2000 year old failure.

Fact is many of these refugees may have came from places with harsh penalization - death etc.. but the difference is, there is a clean slate for them in Canada, they don't mess around, who cares. If they are truely good people it will show, if they want to help let them put th eservice time in. We need more good citizens, many of the Canadians here already are self absorbed and totally baseless morally, and could care less about public welfare unless that involves themselves or their select group friends or family.

Make ones willing merchant marines, let them be out of Canada - no threat to the public, making a living living their life, given a chance to start a new life.

Tamils arn't bad people, they had a nobel cause, much like Canada trying to assert Northern Soverignty... no one wants to live under foreign/alien culture - or few do. But some places are more accepting of cultural practices than other.

Fact is we let all kinds of former commie leaning people - chinese, indian, russian etc.. into the country..

lots of former soilders too. The whole former terrorists.. etc.. it is insanity that they would come to a western nation if they were in violation .. but personally. Until someone does harm to Canada do no harm to them, it is a bad bottom line.

They are strong people to have lasted so long in such a small land.

If only America upheld the value of pursuit of happiness beyond their police state mentality.. we face the same issue if we clam ourselves up to the notion of a free world, a world free of borders based on notion rather than principle.