Where should the new NYC mosque be built?

[bush_cheney2004]

Threat of what.

More Canadian oil services contractors...much scarier than Saddam?

They moved the troops around to wherever they need them. And if they need to move them back, they will do that. As in, any nice place to fire Patriot missiles against scuds, or whatever is needed.

Now you are just regurgitating whatever you vaguely remember from American news media, skipping key facts.

And don't give me your sanctimonious crap, Georgie kissed the Prince and they were holding hands. I seen it.

Just like any other state visit. That's the part you don't get...Saudi Arabia is a nation state just like Canada, and is afforded the same benefits of a mutually beneficial relationship, oh Superior One.

[Sir Bandelot]

Just like any other state visit. That's the part you don't get...Saudi Arabia is a nation state just like Canada, and is afforded the same benefits of a mutually beneficial relationship, oh Superior One.

Now you want to make it look like I don't already know that, in your typical style. Of course I get it. Some people here didn't want to believe it. In the foreground it's all about the deal, but meanwhile there's stuff going on in the background.

Yeah yeah, Canada is not above making similar deals with the devil, for the mutually beneficial relationship.

[Bonam]

Saw a blurb about someone looking at putting a gay bar next to the mosque. I thought it was a brilliant suggestion that would expose the mosque supporters for the hypocrites they are (i.e. I am certain the gay bar would be opposed by the same people as unnecessarily provocative).

We should surround the thing on all sides with: a gay bar, a pig butcher shop, a Mohammed cartoon printing factory, and an atheist think tank or something. All for the purposes of mutual understanding and cultural outreach, of course.

[Smallc]

(i.e. I am certain the gay bar would be opposed by the same people as unnecessarily provocative).

Not by this person it wouldn't. Im sure all the conservatives would be happy about a gay bar at Ground Zero though. I say, build it.

[bush_cheney2004]

We should surround the thing on all sides with: a gay bar, a pig butcher shop, a Mohammed cartoon printing factory, and an atheist think tank or something. All for the purposes of mutual understanding and cultural outreach, of course.

Great idea..let's not forget the adult sex shops and double dongs, as well as a pork barbecue joint! Alah Akbar!

[Guest TrueMetis]

Saw a blurb about someone looking at putting a gay bar next to the mosque. I thought it was a brilliant suggestion that would expose the mosque supporters for the hypocrites they are (i.e. I am certain the gay bar would be opposed by the same people as unnecessarily provocative).

Go for it.

[dre]

We should surround the thing on all sides with: a gay bar, a pig butcher shop, a Mohammed cartoon printing factory

That little statement illustrates the mentality in play here quite nicely.

[kimmy]

That little statement illustrates the mentality in play here quite nicely.

Indeed! Just imagine all the great opportunities for building bridges, healing, and breaking down barriers! It's an Awesome idea!

-k

[Bonam]

That little statement illustrates the mentality in play here quite nicely.

You are obviously being oversensitive and illogically emotional. I clearly specified that these facilities would be built for the purpose of cultural outreach and mutual understanding. Moreover, they are not exclusively for the use of non-Muslims.

Edited August 11, 2010 by Bonam

[Jack Weber]

You are obviously being oversensitive and illogically emotional. I clearly specified that these facilities would be built for the purpose of cultural outreach and mutual understanding. Moreover, they are not exclusively for the use of non-Muslims.

Are you trying to tell us that there are gay Muslims???

Because Mr.Ahmedinejad strongly disputes your claim,at least in Iran...

[DogOnPorch]

Are you trying to tell us that there are gay Muslims???

Because Mr.Ahmedinejad strongly disputes your claim,at least in Iran...

Well we know what happens when he finds some of these nonexistent gays.

[Shakeyhands]

Indeed. How tolerant of you to tolerate intolerance. Does it give you a warm fuzzy feeling to keep women in "their place". Or do you "allow" your wife freedom while supporting the removal of these same freedoms for others?

Do you hate Jews as well?

[BubberMiley]

That's true. Many christian sects believe in "keeping women in their place" as do hasidic jews. For some reason, that gets a pass among the rabid muslim-haters.

[Machjo]

No, the problem isn't that a bunch of terrorists are Saudi. The problem is that Saudi Arabia is a state designed to create extremist Muslims. In an ideal world, we should have nothing to do with such a state. Strategically and economically that may be impossible right now, but that doesn't mean we need to let them fund their extremist cultural imperialism in the West.

Oh my. So protesters feel it a priority to take to the streets to challenge the building of a mosque rather than focus instead on a US alliance with a state designed to create extremist Muslims? Is the US military aware of this? And if so, what the heck is it doing in an alliance with such a country while fighting terrorism?Has it got its head screwed on straight?

So looking at it that way, which ought to be the priority? Challenging the building of a mosque or a US military alliance with a terrorist state?

[DogOnPorch]

Do you hate Jews as well?

Did you get it up the you know where when you were in prison?

[Machjo]

I think it does necessarily show a problem. Saudi money is dirty money. Would a church funded by a drug cartel fly? I don't think so. Same thing here. If it wasn't for their vast supply of oil and opposition to Iran, we would have Saudi Arabia economically sanctioned to hell and back, it is one of the most backward and repressive regimes in the middle east.

Oh, I see. So it's all about forming marriages of convenience. So if the Saudis were investing in some company in the US, great for jobs. But a mosque. Oh my.

[GostHacked]

Oh, I see. So it's all about forming marriages of convenience. So if the Saudis were investing in some company in the US, great for jobs. But a mosque. Oh my.

Yes, I am more concerned with dealing with a country that is known for producing a great deal of the terrorists out there. I mean, we get worked up over a stoning in Iran, when stoning I would guess takes place in Saudi Arabia more often than we know, or like to admit.

[Machjo]

Yes, I am more concerned with dealing with a country that is known for producing a great deal of the terrorists out there. I mean, we get worked up over a stoning in Iran, when stoning I would guess takes place in Saudi Arabia more often than we know, or like to admit.

Then intstead of wasting their time protesting the building of a mosque and the practicing of freedom of religion, could these protesters not put their energy to better use protesting US diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia?

Would that not be wiser? After all, most of the congregants at that mosque are probably Americans who've never set foot on Saudi soil except maybe to on pilgrimage and that's it.

[kimmy]

Not by this person it wouldn't. Im sure all the conservatives would be happy about a gay bar at Ground Zero though. I say, build it.

So... here's the response from the Islamic center's Twitter account:

"You’re free to open whatever you like. If you won’t consider the sensibilities of Muslims, you’re not going to build dialog."

Park51 Twitter

Gutfeld can build it, but it won't build a dialog because it doesn't respect their sensibilities.

So, uh, what was the rationale for building a Muslim center at this location, again?

-k

[bloodyminded]

So... here's the response from the Islamic center's Twitter account:

"Youre free to open whatever you like. If you wont consider the sensibilities of Muslims, youre not going to build dialog."

Park51 Twitter

Gutfeld can build it, but it won't build a dialog because it doesn't respect their sensibilities.

So, uh, what was the rationale for building a Muslim center at this location, again?

-k

The gay bar "proposal" is not serious; we know this because most of its rhetorical "supporters" throw tantrums at the fact of homosexuality becoming normalized (which they oppose). The very idea is to declare Muslim hypocrisy, without even pretending to be serious about the dialogue in the first place.

In other words, they don't want dialogue; they cherish their "clash of civilizations narrative too much to ruin it.

What they're saying is, "we won't build dialogue on this issue"...hoping that the Muslims in question will return the sentiment in kind. The response you quote could be more about the fact of the intended provocation than of the subject of the provocation itself. Similarly, there are few insults which actually bother me; it's the fact of the intention to insult me that I consider bothersome.

The disingenuousness of the "proposal" becomes clear when we realize (as most of us surely do) that most of the "let's build a gay bar" giggling children actually find such things repugnant.

And, all things being equal, would no doubt oppose a gay bar being opened too close to the Hallowed site of the Worst Crime in History.

Edited August 11, 2010 by bloodyminded

[Jack Weber]

Well we know what happens when he finds some of these nonexistent gays.

Yes!!!

And it's the same rupugnant thing he intends to do to Irael on a more massive scale,if given the chance.

[Sir Bandelot]

Why is it surprising or somehow vindicating that muslims would not want a gay bar right next to their mosque. Or rather, that they don't consider it constructive to a dialog? Because they know why it's being proposed, as a foil to their plans. Not too many churches would like the gay bar either. Certainly not the RC church.

So much for that argument.

[Sir Bandelot]

Then intstead of wasting their time protesting the building of a mosque and the practicing of freedom of religion, could these protesters not put their energy to better use protesting US diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia?

Would that not be wiser? After all, most of the congregants at that mosque are probably Americans who've never set foot on Saudi soil except maybe to on pilgrimage and that's it.

The silence in regard to these Saudi related posts, speaks volumes.

[DogOnPorch]

The silence in regard to these Saudi related posts, speaks volumes.

Big fan of Saudi Arabia?

[Sir Bandelot]

Big fan of Saudi Arabia?

Gimme a big snarf there, Dog...