Face Covering in Public in Canada

[August1991]

For better or worse, I will link to an Ezra Levant column for this issue:

Some 54% of Canadians want to ban the burka, the head-to-toe shroud worn by a tiny minority of Muslim women in the West, but the common dress in medieval backwaters like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.

According to a Leger Marketing poll commissioned by QMI Agency, support for a ban is highest in Quebec at 73%.

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IMV, this question will become more common. Where in Canada do we draw the line?

This forum deserves a poll.

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Sorry, I just discovered another thread/poll with slightly different questions.

Feel free to respond. Monitors: merge if possible.

Edited August 2, 2010 by August1991

[ToadBrother]

For better or worse, I will link to an Ezra Levant column for this issue:Link

IMV, this question will become more common. Where in Canada do we draw the line?

This forum deserves a poll.

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Sorry, I just discovered another thread/poll with slightly different questions.

Feel free to respond. Monitors: merge if possible.

In a society where freedom is valued, the limits should be minimal, that's what.

[DogOnPorch]

For better or worse, I will link to an Ezra Levant column for this issue:Link

IMV, this question will become more common. Where in Canada do we draw the line?

This forum deserves a poll.

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Sorry, I just discovered another thread/poll with slightly different questions.

Feel free to respond. Monitors: merge if possible.

Where do we draw the line re: the swastika? Another symbol of intolerance and oppression. Zero if I recall.

[dre]

Some 54% of Canadians want to ban the burka

That means our population is 54% too large.

The is exactly why we nest rights in framework documents and make them nice and hard to change. Because you never can be sure where the DUMBASS MOB will set its sights next, and we all belong to at least a few minorities.

[madmax]

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[betsy]

9/11 changed all that. that's a fact. Reality. Niqab and burquas should be banned in public places for, first and foremost, security reason. Period.

Female subjugation - although true - is being used as a justification in order to appeal to those who would place more value to their version of a so-called human right. I am not against burquas or niqabs to be worn anywhere else, including their mosques after all that is part of their culture and/or religious belief, and any woman who would like to exercise her freedom in this country have the available support/help that is available to all women in this country regardless of race/belief. They want to get away from the intolerance of their own culture....the abuse....they are welcome, in fact, encouraged to go to those help centres.

It is not for us to say "we ban the burquas because they represent abuse to women!"

What about those women who embraced that way of life? They've got the right too, you know.

We may disagree but it is not for us to decide for them on that.

I believe that it is not for me to dictate how they can exercsie their culture....as long as it does not tamper with mine.

The government must protect the country and its people....I would like to partake of that protection. Therefore I fully support the implementation of a ban.

Because of everything that's been happening after 9/11, it is only natural for me to put security as a top priority....protect and place the safety of the public (Muslims included), above the rights of a few.

Edited August 3, 2010 by betsy

[ToadBrother]

9/11 changed all that. that's a fact. Reality. Niqab and burquas should be banned in public places for, first and foremost, security reason. Period.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

Benjamin Franklin

Banning these face coverings won't make anyone any safer. None of the 9-11 bombers were women, none of them wore face veils. What you've created is a non sequitur, and tragically one that you seem to feel logically sufficient to deprive liberties on.

[Michael Hardner]

Banning face covering in purpose will make hallowe'en very boring and that's why I'm against it.

[PIK]

Our ancesters came here to build a better country so people can get away from the crap like this ,and now we are letting this crap into the country. I do not want anything to do with burkas or people that believe that they have to wear it. All this does with these so called freedoms, is allow the extremists to ruin this country like thay have ruined their own countries.

[ToadBrother]

Our ancesters came here to build a better country so people can get away from the crap like this ,and now we are letting this crap into the country. I do not want anything to do with burkas or people that believe that they have to wear it. All this does with these so called freedoms, is allow the extremists to ruin this country like thay have ruined their own countries.

I don't recall any of the European settlers leaving Europe to escape face veils. Where exactly did your ancestors come from?

But these seems to be a rather good example of "Liberty for me, not for you." There's a reason why minorities are protected from the whims of the majority, and your post is as good an example as any I can think of.

[g_bambino]

Our ancesters came here to build a better country so people can get away from the crap like this...

Cabot sailed across the Atlantic with the dream of creating a country where Musilm women could be free of face coverings?

[ToadBrother]

Cabot sailed across the Atlantic with the dream of creating a country where Musilm women could be free of face coverings?

Heck, it was the top of the list of ol' Chris Columbus. "I want to find China and escape full face veils." That was his very words, I tell ya!

[Michael Hardner]

Our ancesters came here to build a better country so people can get away from the crap like this ,and now we are letting this crap into the country. I do not want anything to do with burkas or people that believe that they have to wear it. All this does with these so called freedoms, is allow the extremists to ruin this country like thay have ruined their own countries.

Actually, British North America was founded out of a desire to separate church and state. I'm pretty sure they didn't envision having the government tell you what to wear.

[g_bambino]

Actually, British North America was founded out of a desire to separate church and state.

It was? I thought it was all about the fur and the timber.

[ToadBrother]

It was? I thought it was all about the fur and the timber.

I guess it depends on what you call British North America. Certainly some of the early colonists were Nonconformists seeking freedom to practice their brand of Christianity with little or no interference from the Crown or Parliament (ie. the Pilgrims). There were all sorts of reasons why colonists left England, religion being one, land being probably being the biggest reason.

[PIK]

I don't recall any of the European settlers leaving Europe to escape face veils. Where exactly did your ancestors come from?

But these seems to be a rather good example of "Liberty for me, not for you." There's a reason why minorities are protected from the whims of the majority, and your post is as good an example as any I can think of.

[/quote} The poor minority, always the poor minority ,well how much of our culture do we have to give up before the guilty white people do not feel quilty anymore.And don't give me any of your a bigot or racist shit either, I am tired of this country be taken advantage of by canadians and non canadians, all it does is make it harder for the the people that deserve to get in here, and I mean people that want to work hard and become a canadian ,not just show up and expect this country to bow down to them.

[dre]

I don't recall any of the European settlers leaving Europe to escape face veils. Where exactly did your ancestors come from?

But these seems to be a rather good example of "Liberty for me, not for you." There's a reason why minorities are protected from the whims of the majority, and your post is as good an example as any I can think of.

[/quote} The poor minority, always the poor minority ,well how much of our culture do we have to give up before the guilty white people do not feel quilty anymore.And don't give me any of your a bigot or racist shit either, I am tired of this country be taken advantage of by canadians and non canadians, all it does is make it harder for the the people that deserve to get in here, and I mean people that want to work hard and become a canadian ,not just show up and expect this country to bow down to them.

Allowing people to wear a certain item of clothing isnt bowing down to them. Tolerating the stupid things religious people do and believe is what sets us apart.

[ToadBrother]

The poor minority, always the poor minority ,well how much of our culture do we have to give up before the guilty white people do not feel quilty anymore.

It has nothing to do with guilt, white people, black people or anything of the kind. What it has to do with is banning certain modes of dress and religious expression. Worse, it's proposing a ban based upon fallacious thinking and prejudiced claims.

And don't give me any of your a bigot or racist shit either,

I didn't say you were a racist. As to bigotry, well, demanding people behave the way you want and claiming that if they don't, they're somehow like terrorists, that seems rather bigoted to me.

I am tired of this country be taken advantage of by canadians and non canadians, all it does is make it harder for the the people that deserve to get in here, and I mean people that want to work hard and become a canadian ,not just show up and expect this country to bow down to them.

What does this have to do with face veils? Do you have any coherent thoughts at all?

All I can gather is you don't like darker skinned people immigrating, particularly if they wear clothing you don't like. I mean, why else bring up face veils, the downtrodden white guy or any of it?

Edited August 3, 2010 by ToadBrother

[dre]

Because of everything that's been happening after 9/11, it is only natural for me to put security as a top priority....protect and place the safety of the public (Muslims included), above the rights of a few.

You know... Iv read this kind of "911 changed the world" stuff for a long time now, and Iv never said much about it, because I figured it would offend people.

But 911 didnt change shit when it comes to how we as Canadians treat people and what rights we afford them. You have less chance of dying in a terrorist attack than you do of winning the 649. Terroristm isnt even in the TOP 100 things most likely to cause your death.

Youre security obsessed because youre irrational... and your use of the tired "911 changed the world" slogan as an excuse to violate other peoples rights is not gonna cut it.

[g_bambino]

The poor minority, always the poor minority ,well how much of our culture do we have to give up before the guilty white people do not feel quilty anymore.

You missed the point.

[betsy]

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

Benjamin Franklin

Banning these face coverings won't make anyone any safer. None of the 9-11 bombers were women, none of them wore face veils. What you've created is a non sequitur, and tragically one that you seem to feel logically sufficient to deprive liberties on.

How can you say that banning those face coverings in public places will not make anyone safer. Can you expand on that please.

I do not refer to just that incident that happened in 9/11! There have been female suicide bombers in other terrorist attacks in other parts of the world. Just because there never was one in Canada (yet) does not mean it will never happen.

We have sacrificed some liberties already....one being the "property right." Big Liberal hearts who decide what's best for us have even gone as far as to change the meaning of "PUBLIC PLACE"....in their bid to enforce the smoking ban. The few who protested and fought to uphold that right never had a chance. And what did we give up that right for with hardly any sqawk? SMOKING!

Compare that to high possibility of terrorist attacks or criminal acts that can cause massive casualties and damage....don't you find that absurd?

Anyway, G20 terrorists include women in masks...though they were protesting and fighting for whatever "cause" (that never got really voiced out)...only show that women can be quite capable of destructive violence.

However back to topic, Taliban fighters have been known to cross-dress to elude captivity. Burquas and nuquabs are now just the like of ski and Jason masks....only much worse since they also conceal the whole body.

Edited August 3, 2010 by betsy

[betsy]

Tolerating the stupid things religious people do and believe is what sets us apart.

To a certain extent! Beheading an infidel ...or stoning an adulteress is definitely not tolerated (yet) in this country...although we came close to that in Ontario when McGuinty toyed with the idea of allowing Sharia law.

No tolerance either for anyone to publicly express one's religious belief that homosexual act is a sin. In a blink of an eye, freedom of expression/opinion was another right we had to scratch off.

Edited August 3, 2010 by betsy

[PIK]

It has nothing to do with guilt, white people, black people or anything of the kind. What it has to do with is banning certain modes of dress and religious expression. Worse, it's proposing a ban based upon fallacious thinking and prejudiced claims.

I didn't say you were a racist. As to bigotry, well, demanding people behave the way you want and claiming that if they don't, they're somehow like terrorists, that seems rather bigoted to me.

What does this have to do with face veils? Do you have any coherent thoughts at all?

All I can gather is you don't like darker skinned people immigrating, particularly if they wear clothing you don't like. I mean, why else bring up face veils, the downtrodden white guy or any of it?

Face viels in canada ,I don't think so, sorry toad you are to politically correct to even be in this discussion. We are slowly losing this country , vancouver soon to be the 1st asian city outside of asia, I have no problem with people coming here but not at the numbers that they are coming in. And don't give me this you hate brown skin people shit either, that just proves you can't think for yourself.People are so scared they might offend someone, that they just ignore what is going on, but hey that is what the liberals wanted ,trained seals that when someone disagrees with the immigration or refugee policies or about bringing 10th century ideas here, they all point and scream racist, sorry toad I do not fall in that category, I am one of the few not afraid to stand up and be counted. And face viels is just another step at chipping away at the way this country has run. If I hate anything it is religion and the people that shove it down your throat or kill in the name of god because they don't like you. Like I said our ancesters came here to escape the injustices of the world and now we are slipping backwards. So tell me why they should be allowed ,when people are forced to wear thses things, my understanding it has nothing to do with the koran, but just a idea to keep women in check, do you think women enjoy walking around totally covered in 90 degree weather, how many wear it because they want to or wear it out of fear, women walking around in canada in fear over what the wear, nice country you are building toad. What is next honour killings ,oh wait we already have honour killings ,lets see how about stoning? And If I do sound like I am rambling , that is because my typing skills are terrible, but I think I get my point across.

[bloodyminded]

Face viels in canada ,I don't think so, sorry toad you are to politically correct to even be in this discussion. We are slowly losing this country , vancouver soon to be the 1st asian city outside of asia, I have no problem with people coming here but not at the numbers that they are coming in. And don't give me this you hate brown skin people shit either, that just proves you can't think for yourself.People are so scared they might offend someone, that they just ignore what is going on, but hey that is what the liberals wanted ,trained seals that when someone disagrees with the immigration or refugee policies or about bringing 10th century ideas here, they all point and scream racist, sorry toad I do not fall in that category, I am one of the few not afraid to stand up and be counted. And face viels is just another step at chipping away at the way this country has run. If I hate anything it is religion and the people that shove it down your throat or kill in the name of god because they don't like you. Like I said our ancesters came here to escape the injustices of the world and now we are slipping backwards. So tell me why they should be allowed ,when people are forced to wear thses things, my understanding it has nothing to do with the koran, but just a idea to keep women in check, do you think women enjoy walking around totally covered in 90 degree weather, how many wear it because they want to or wear it out of fear, women walking around in canada in fear over what the wear, nice country you are building toad. What is next honour killings ,oh wait we already have honour killings ,lets see how about stoning? And If I do sound like I am rambling , that is because my typing skills are terrible, but I think I get my point across.

What does the Chinese immigrant community in Vancouver have to do with 10th century ideas and face coverings?

[Shady]

If this has already been posted, I apologize. This is video from an Air Canada flight where two veiled women are allowed through security without photo ID and showing their faces.

*warning* the guy speaking near the end of the video spews some racist type stuff, but it's the only video I could find. The first part is from CTV though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WW4Vyny-Is

This is absolutely unacceptable!!!! :angry: