DogOnPorch Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Thats gonna happen whether we leave now, or in another 10 years. The Killing Fields. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 The irony being that the death toll will be worse than the war itself and those so keen on the pullout will shrug and call it a victory for the cause. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 The irony being that the death toll will be worse than the war itself and those so keen on the pullout will shrug and call it a victory for the cause. Yep..and those same people will claim that the "pullout" from Afghanistan in the 1980's caused the current conflict. They want it both ways. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 (edited) Yep..and those same people will claim that the "pullout" from Afghanistan in the 1980's caused the current conflict. They want it both ways. I wont claim any of that shit. Ill just claim that I stopped dumping my tax money into a plan that was given ten years to work and didnt. The rest just aint my fuckin problem. If you think its worth doing then how bout you pay for my share? Edited July 22, 2010 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 I wont claim any of that shit. Ill just claim that I stopped dumping my tax money into a plan that was given ten years to work and didnt. The rest just aint my fuckin problem. If you think its worth doing then how bout you pay for my share? Translation: Just go die now. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 I wont claim any of that shit. Ill just claim that I stopped dumping my tax money into a plan that was given ten years to work and didnt. The rest just aint my fuckin problem. If you think its worth doing then how bout you pay for my share? I'm already paying more than your "share". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 I'm already paying more than your "share". Good. Its your red headed step child. You feed it. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Shady Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 If you think its worth doing then how bout you pay for my share? Deal. If I can stop paying for people's abortions. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Deal. If I can stop paying for people's abortions. Yup and Afghanistan is one of the biggest abortions I've seen. Quote
wyly Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Also, in terms of weakness, who exactly are we showing weakness to that has not been trying to attack us over here the entire time? The Russians? They probably think our staying as long as we have when they already failed is the sign of weakness. not a sign of weakness but stupidity...the Russians took on the entire afghan nation NATO is is only battling one tribe and cannot win... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
eyeball Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 I tend to agree with you about bombing if the Taliban harours Al Qaeda, but the saving civilian lives is incorrect. If you wanna know the worst thing that could happen if NATO left Afghanistan. It would be a complete purging of any and all Afghans who cooperated or were at all affiliated with anything involving NATO. In other words, a slaughter of tens of thousnads of people in a very short period of time. See Vietnam and Cambodia as examples. Millions of people were killed. You mean, we're leaving Afghanistan without evacuating our collaborators? We invaded Afghanistan without an exit strategy that incorporated the lessons of Vietnam? It's shit like this that compelled me to say we never should have waded into Afghanistan in the first place. Now it's shit like this that compels me to say we should never buy things like advanced fighter planes. We simply don't have the moral or ethical background it takes to use them. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
wyly Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 So you honestly believe that every attack people have been subjected to in the world was because of cause and effect. The people making the attacks were always just innocent hamsters, so to speak, getting poked by the people they attacked. You really need to brush up on your world history. my history knowledge is 2nd to no one on this forum....you best heed your own advice.... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Yup...the great hippy victory...Viet-Nam. Over 2,000,000 dead by pulling out of Indo China. the war that never would've happened had the US not got involved in the internal politics of another country...and what difference would it made? none...the communist would've have formed a government as they are now peacefully doing business with the world and 2 million people wouldn't have died... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Guest American Woman Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 my history knowledge is 2nd to no one on this forum....you best heed your own advice.... Obviously you are suffering from delusions as well as a lack of historical knowledge. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 my history knowledge is 2nd to no one on this forum....you best heed your own advice.... Nah...I think ToadBrother or DoP would win that point. Obviously your understanding of Indo-China dynamics lacks depth if you think it starts and stops with the American Vietnam War. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 the war that never would've happened had the US not got involved in the internal politics of another country...and what difference would it made? none...the communist would've have formed a government as they are now peacefully doing business with the world and 2 million people wouldn't have died... Well that explains all the Viet-Namese in Canada and the US. Fact: Had North Viet-Nam left South Viet-Nam alone...there would have been no war. But it sent division sized units down through Laos and Cambodia to attack South Viet-Nam starting in 1959...but that's okie-dokie in yours and others opinions. Like Viet-Nam, those that want us out no matter what will get their wish...at least re: Canada. The deaths that follow are on their heads. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 my history knowledge is 2nd to no one on this forum....you best heed your own advice.... Oh my... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Well that explains all the Viet-Namese in Canada and the US. Fact: Had North Viet-Nam left South Viet-Nam alone...there would have been no war. But it sent division sized units down through Laos and Cambodia to attack South Viet-Nam starting in 1959...but that's okie-dokie in yours and others opinions. Like Viet-Nam, those that want us out no matter what will get their wish...at least re: Canada. The deaths that follow are on their heads. Like Viet-Nam, those that want us out no matter what will get their wish...at least re: Canada. The deaths that follow are on their heads. Thats just reality... any population will only tolerate war for so long. People have tolerated Afghanistan for 10 years, and its been botched at virtually every turn. What do you want? 20 years? 30 years? 40 years? 50? If we end up leaving there without achieving the goal it will be because we either set a goal without understanding what it meant, or we just flat out suck at invading countries and installing governments. Hard to blame the peace activists when you were given zillions of dollars and a decade to get a job done, then accomplish next to nothing. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Thats just reality... any population will only tolerate war for so long. People have tolerated Afghanistan for 10 years, and its been botched at virtually every turn. What do you want? 20 years? 30 years? 40 years? 50? If we end up leaving there without achieving the goal it will be because we either set a goal without understanding what it meant, or we just flat out suck at invading countries and installing governments. Hard to blame the peace activists when you were given zillions of dollars and a decade to get a job done, then accomplish next to nothing. I don't want anything. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
ToadBrother Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Thats just reality... any population will only tolerate war for so long. People have tolerated Afghanistan for 10 years, and its been botched at virtually every turn. What do you want? 20 years? 30 years? 40 years? 50? If we end up leaving there without achieving the goal it will be because we either set a goal without understanding what it meant, or we just flat out suck at invading countries and installing governments. Hard to blame the peace activists when you were given zillions of dollars and a decade to get a job done, then accomplish next to nothing. A few points: 1. I don't think it's been botched at every turn. There were some clear strategic failings about three or four years ago which allowed the Taliban to rally, but you seem to be ignoring the skeleton leering from the closet; namely Pakistan. That damned porous border is a nightmare. It's what allowed bin Laden to slip out of American hands, and it's what allows a considerable amount of movement. 2. There were two goals, really, one which NATO will trumpet, and then the more important goal. The public goal is to make Afghanistan into a reasonably nice place for Afghanis. The real goal was to keep the Taliban and al Qaeda on the defensive. While at points that real goal has suffered, all in all, the Taliban haven't exactly been in a position to hop into bed with al Qaeda in a fashion that endangers the rest of the world. The public goal is probably fantasy to some degree, but as vile a crook as Karzai is, to leave now means the Taliban take over, go back to lopping off hands and refusing medical treatment or education to young girls, and the whole long laundry list of vile things these guys do. And if you think the locals are content to watch NATO troops load up and leave so they can be left to one of the most horrible group of human beings currently running around with guns, I think you're delusional. You just wait. It's coming to the point very soon when somehow or other the West is going to have to get involved quite directly in Yemen and, once again, Somalia, which have largely replaced Afghanistan as friendly neighborhoods for al Qaeda to set up shop. I know folks in the US and Canada get some sort of spastic reaction when Somalia is mentioned, but our lack of will in dealing with the monsters in that country has lead inevitably to the point of high seas piracy, attacks on neighboring countries and a rapid movement towards terrorist groups setting up shop with the help of local friendlies. Quote
wyly Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Obviously you are suffering from delusions as well as a lack of historical knowledge. delusions are all yours, my experience with americans is most wouldn't pass an eight grade history exam in Canada...I've probably forgotten more since I got up this morning than you have learned in your entire life... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
DogOnPorch Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 delusions are all yours, my experience with americans is most wouldn't pass an eight grade history exam in Canada...I've probably forgotten more since I got up this morning than you have learned in your entire life... Lame. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
wyly Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Oh my... it's hard for me to be humble when challenged by the ignorant... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 Lame. so is your dick but you already knew that... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
DogOnPorch Posted July 22, 2010 Report Posted July 22, 2010 so is your dick but you already knew that... War it is. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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