wyly Posted July 23, 2010 Report Posted July 23, 2010 Judging by the number of South Vietnamese that got the hell out of there, I think maybe a lot of them weren't too thrilled about unification either. It's hard to defend the South Vietnamese regime, but what you wrote sounds like the beginning of a rather ridiculous form of historical revisionism. it's an accurate description of events feel free to do the research... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Bonam Posted July 23, 2010 Report Posted July 23, 2010 Al-Qaeda have not repelled this invasion, the Taliban has. And as i stated before, no my knowledge the Taliban have not attacked the West other than on Muslim territory in defense of their own country. Yes they did harbour al-Qaeda, but the Taliban did not hijack any planes on 9/11 or attempt attacks any other Western cities. The Taliban has shown little to no sign of being a major threat to launch transnational terrorist attacks against the West. They are nonetheless a terrorist group. Quote
GostHacked Posted July 23, 2010 Report Posted July 23, 2010 They are nonetheless a terrorist group. Indeed they are a terrorist group, Al-Queda evolved out of the Mujaheddin. Quote
ToadBrother Posted July 23, 2010 Report Posted July 23, 2010 it's an accurate description of events feel free to do the research... I'm familiar enough with the Vietnam conflict and its roots to know that you're oversimplified description is patently absurd. So much for you being second to none historian around these parts. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted July 23, 2010 Report Posted July 23, 2010 He/she didn't refer to "every attack" in the world, but was referring to 9/11. 9/11 occurred partly because of blowback, but also because of wacko radical Qutbist beliefs. If that's the case, if he/she wasn't referring to every attack in the world, then his/her statement was an incorrect statement. Quote
eyeball Posted July 23, 2010 Report Posted July 23, 2010 (edited) It should be noted that allegations of dumping include European, Asian and other African companies...not nations. It's something like 1000 Euros plus per ton to get rid of waste in Europe...less than 3 Euros the illegal way. The nations that harbor these companies are no better than any nation that harbors pirates or terrorists. If you've seen one rogue network of fill-in-blank-here you've pretty much seen them all. Edited July 23, 2010 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted July 23, 2010 Report Posted July 23, 2010 The nations that harbor these companies are no better than any nation that harbors pirates or terrorists. If you've seen one rogue network of fill-in-blank-here you've pretty much seen them all. Ah...I see...so in the highest levels over in Washington DC and Ottawa there's 'Let's Dump Crap Into the Indian Ocean' committees hard at work. Makes sense. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted July 23, 2010 Report Posted July 23, 2010 Ah...I see...so in the highest levels over in Washington DC and Ottawa there's 'Let's Dump Crap Into the Indian Ocean' committees hard at work. Makes sense. No, there's no one hard at work ensuring their countries companies aren't dumping crap into other people's oceans. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted July 23, 2010 Report Posted July 23, 2010 If you insist...lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted July 23, 2010 Report Posted July 23, 2010 If you insist...lol. Why don't you? Do you think it's funny that nuclear waste is washing up on Somalia's beaches or that other countries fishing fleets are illegally pillaging Somalia's fish stocks or do you just not care? Perhaps you just don't believe it? http://www.sdupdate.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39:local-fisheries-thrive-due-to-due-somali-piracy&catid=10:news http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/64575 http://www.illegal-fishing.info/item_single.php?item=news&item_id=3652&approach_id=16 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted July 23, 2010 Report Posted July 23, 2010 Why don't you? Do you think it's funny that nuclear waste is washing up on Somalia's beaches or that other countries fishing fleets are illegally pillaging Somalia's fish stocks or do you just not care? Perhaps you just don't believe it? http://www.sdupdate.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39:local-fisheries-thrive-due-to-due-somali-piracy&catid=10:news http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/features/64575 http://www.illegal-fishing.info/item_single.php?item=news&item_id=3652&approach_id=16 No...I just think it is funny how James Bond has to enter into the picture with your every post. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Moonlight Graham Posted July 23, 2010 Author Report Posted July 23, 2010 Indeed they are a terrorist group, Al-Queda evolved out of the Mujaheddin. And if history repeats itself, some of the guerrilla fighters trying to repel the current occupiers of Afghanistan may be tempted to expand to transnational terrorism after we leave just as members of al-Qaeda did after the USSR pulled out. lovely. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
DogOnPorch Posted July 23, 2010 Report Posted July 23, 2010 And if history repeats itself, some of the guerrilla fighters trying to repel the current occupiers of Afghanistan may be tempted to expand to transnational terrorism after we leave just as members of al-Qaeda did after the USSR pulled out. lovely. Like yea olde Viet-Cong of yore, a Taliban actually from Afghanistan is getting to be a rare thing. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted July 24, 2010 Report Posted July 24, 2010 No...I just think it is funny how James Bond has to enter into the picture with your every post. Notice how we in the west often call for moderates around the world to do something towards reigning in their rogues while our's are free to roam the world without any meaningful moderation, oversight or enforcement at all. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted July 24, 2010 Report Posted July 24, 2010 Notice how we in the west often call for moderates around the world to do something towards reigning in their rogues while our's are free to roam the world without any meaningful moderation, oversight or enforcement at all. No, I do not notice that as a reality. But, I'm sure after talking to 005, you might perceive that. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Moonlight Graham Posted July 24, 2010 Author Report Posted July 24, 2010 Like yea olde Viet-Cong of yore, a Taliban actually from Afghanistan is getting to be a rare thing. I don't know about "rare", but yes there are definitely many foreign muslims/arabs/persians etc. who fight in the Taliban, similar to foreigners (ie: bin laden) fighting with the Mujaheddin in the 80's. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
DogOnPorch Posted July 24, 2010 Report Posted July 24, 2010 I don't know about "rare", but yes there are definitely many foreign muslims/arabs/persians etc. who fight in the Taliban, similar to foreigners (ie: bin laden) fighting with the Mujaheddin in the 80's. Either way...we don't get to hear much about the Taliban's losses. Not very PC, afterall. But you can bet it is in the range of 10-1 or so. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bloodyminded Posted July 24, 2010 Report Posted July 24, 2010 Either way...we don't get to hear much about the Taliban's losses. Not very PC, afterall. But you can bet it is in the range of 10-1 or so. "PC"? Yep...the Leftwing media, who hates the West, is downplaying Taliban deaths in the hope of a Taliban victory.....all in the name of Political Correctness. That's sober political theory..... Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
dre Posted July 24, 2010 Report Posted July 24, 2010 "PC"? Yep...the Leftwing media, who hates the West, is downplaying Taliban deaths in the hope of a Taliban victory.....all in the name of Political Correctness. That's sober political theory..... Of course hes got it exactly backwards. Where PC comes in here, is the underlying suggestion that its unpatriotic or wrong to question the mission or the ability of the troops to be successful at it. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted July 24, 2010 Report Posted July 24, 2010 "PC"? Yep...the Leftwing media, who hates the West, is downplaying Taliban deaths in the hope of a Taliban victory.....all in the name of Political Correctness. That's sober political theory..... We get an up-to-the-minute update if one of our troops gets bagged. But you don't see a lot of stuff like 'NATO ambushes Taliban: over 200 dead'. Unless there's a f-up of some sort...civilian deaths, etc. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted July 24, 2010 Report Posted July 24, 2010 Of course hes got it exactly backwards. Where PC comes in here, is the underlying suggestion that its unpatriotic or wrong to question the mission or the ability of the troops to be successful at it. I doubt you're qualified to tie a soldier's boots much less comment on the mission. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bloodyminded Posted July 24, 2010 Report Posted July 24, 2010 (edited) "Support the troops! Oh God, why won't y'all just support the troops?" Talking about Political Correctness and all.... Edited July 24, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bloodyminded Posted July 24, 2010 Report Posted July 24, 2010 We get an up-to-the-minute update if one of our troops gets bagged. But you don't see a lot of stuff like 'NATO ambushes Taliban: over 200 dead'. Unless there's a f-up of some sort...civilian deaths, etc. I'm saying that political correctness ahs nothing to do with this at any rate.... Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
DogOnPorch Posted July 24, 2010 Report Posted July 24, 2010 I'm saying that political correctness ahs nothing to do with this at any rate.... OK...what's the reason we don't list Taliban deaths by the number in our media? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted July 24, 2010 Report Posted July 24, 2010 "Support the troops! Oh God, why won't y'all just support the troops?" Talking about Political Correctness and all.... I should hope you support the troops. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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