Conrad Black.....will soon be home.

[Oleg Bach]

It's about time that the American judicary looked at Mr. Blacks' case with a clear eye..He has done enough time and I am sure that the American buisness elite asked him a lot of questions on how corporatism works in Canada _ It' nice to know that this great Canadian - who is a great human resourse will not be wasted any further -- all I can say about Mr. Black - is --- welcome home ---and he will be home soon...besides - perhaps every last person who got the great American bail out should be jailed and he in turn should be freed - kind of like a prisoner exchange program.

This buisness of using rich people as an example to terrorise the populace is really a crude thing - Look at the rich celeberties that they like to jail - sending a message to the public --"We burn the rich just as well as the poor - and if we can attack our own - attacking you will not be a problem...this attack on the rich and famous is to maximize the terror in order to frighten and control the common guy..

Mr. Black worked all of his life - sure he was a tad ego centric..and yes...he like hot woman - and yes - he wanted to be close to the Queen and yes...all he acquired he laboured for..and yes - he is not evil - just an adventuring gentleman that was an object of envy by the mediorcre that seem to have taken over the system - He is a national treasure..not a crimminal.

[Remiel]

What makes you think Conrad Black is going to be welcomed back into the United Kingdom?

[Oleg Bach]

What makes you think Conrad Black is going to be welcomed back into the United Kingdom?

He will not be welcomed back into the UK - They double crossed him and mocked him because of his strong self confidence and over powering sense of self worth...Conrad worked for what he got...other did not! If you want to be rich and powerful there is a great price to be paid..YOU must dedicate every waking hour of your life to the accumulation of wealth and influence - that's a lot of damned work and takes unwavering indurance and dedication - YOU can not hate a man for wanting to be exceptional..BUT in a world were the corporate machine relys on mediocre people as cogs in the great wheel of fortune - Intelligent people and those who truely operate in the private sphere are hated and loathed for the simple facts of haveing a sense of purpose and a set of balls.

As I write the American prosecutors are still trying to get brownie points by finishing off this great white rhino..this trophy kill - Conrad is not an animal and not one who take to being hunted relentlessly on a hunger based in ambition and a wish for noteriety --If you want something - put in the time - like 40 years to build up a skill level that is of use to yourself and the world - the younger upstarts want it all with out working and paying their dues..whether it be a judge or a prosecutor..as for Conrads former Canadian lawyer who sold him out...It will be fast Eddie who now loses his long and hard earned reputation as a betraying little bugger..

Let Mr. Black come home to Canada...he will be good boy and avoid adventure that is beyond his field of investment - He has changed for the better and now his feet are on the ground - better late then never - besides Canada and the USA need his wisdom and skill to pull us out of this spiral of finacial and spiritual confusion - Good luck and God speed.

[Smallc]

Mr. Black wants to come home to Canada...and if some analysis are right, there will soon be nothing to keep him from doing so. I'm not sure there should be.

[Remiel]

Conrad Black put having a fancy title ahead of his very identity as a Canadian. He gave up on Canada, not for real exceptionalism, but for a facade. This country is not his Home. He made sure of that.

[Smallc]

It seems that he considers it his home. It's where he wants to come. It's also where he wants to regain citizenship.

[naomiglover]

It seems that he considers it his home. It's where he wants to come. It's also where he wants to regain citizenship.

Could it be because the country he chose over Canada, no longer wants him?

I don't think he has many options.

[Remiel]

If he renounces and discards his peerage, then I would be willing to welcome him back into the fold, forgiven.

[scribblet]

Why would you care if he has a peerage, the only thing we should be concerned with is whether or not he was guilty. I kinda think that Mr. Black was not completely innocent. However, I found this quite interesting

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/06/25/wall-street-journal-apologizes-to-conrad-black/

Wall Street Journal apologizes to Conrad Black

Newspaper concedes it may have been too eager to jump on anti-Black bandwagon

Friday, June 25, 2010 12:28pm - 5 Comments

Former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling’s successful bid to have the U.S. Supreme Court rein in the “honest services” statute that has served as a backbone to several white-collar convictions south of the border was “a long overdue victory for the rule of law,” according to an editorial in the Wall Street Journal. Moreover, the decision has prompted a bout of self-reflection among the Journal‘s editorial board members, especially in light of the revised statute’s application in Conrad Black’s case. While the reversal of Black’s fraud convictions is primarily an indictment of the prosecutors who abused the “honest services” statute, it is also a wake-up call to the nation’s media, whom the Journal‘s editors write were too quick to hop on the anti-business bandwagon. “The Black and Skilling cases are precisely the kind involving high-profile, unsympathetic defendants in which willful prosecutors like Mr. Fitzgerald are inclined to abuse the honest services law,” reads the editorial. “They know the media won’t write about the legal complexities, and they know juries are often inclined to find a rich CEO guilty of something. We regret that in the case of Mr. Black, that failure of media oversight included us.”

Wall Street Journal

[Remiel]

Why would you care if he has a peerage, the only thing we should be concerned with is whether or not he was guilty.

You are mistaken. It is Black's criminality that we should be unconcerned with. We do not divest criminals of their natural citizenship in ordinary cases, and equally so it should be of little or no bearing on when we decide to restore it to them. It will take an extraordinary measure to convince me that Black truly desires that which he carelessly threw away. It is the strength of Black's desire to be Canadian that we must evaluate, not his legal misdoings.

[ToadBrother]

It seems that he considers it his home. It's where he wants to come. It's also where he wants to regain citizenship.

Then he can stand in line like anyone else.

[Smallc]

Then he can stand in line like anyone else.

I agree with that.

[Guest American Woman]

It seems that he considers it his home. It's where he wants to come. It's also where he wants to regain citizenship.

Why would he have to "regain" citizenship?

[ironstone]

Conrad Black put having a fancy title ahead of his very identity as a Canadian. He gave up on Canada, not for real exceptionalism, but for a facade. This country is not his Home. He made sure of that.

You have made your feelings on Conrad Black perfectly clear.I'm curious if you feel the same way about Omar Khadr.

[Remiel]

You have made your feelings on Conrad Black perfectly clear.I'm curious if you feel the same way about Omar Khadr.

How could I? The circumstances are entirely different. Conrad Black was not a 15-year old boy whose choice was made by his father. I do not feel the same about sniffing flowers and sniffing gasoline either.

[Moonlight Graham]

He's a scumbag but i'll welcome him and his money back into the Canadian economy.

[ironstone]

How could I? The circumstances are entirely different. Conrad Black was not a 15-year old boy whose choice was made by his father. I do not feel the same about sniffing flowers and sniffing gasoline either.

What I find strange is all the venom directed at Conrad Black compared to the outpouring of sympathy for the 15 year old boy in question.Take a gander at these photos of this innocent child.He doesn't look unhappy in these pics does he?

http://ezralevant.com/2010/07/the-truth-about-omar-khadr.html

Seems Black was quite popular in prison with inmates and staff alike with his teaching abilities.He made the most of his time.

[Guest American Woman]

What I find strange is all the venom directed at Conrad Black compared to the outpouring of sympathy for the 15 year old boy in question.Take a gander at these photos of this innocent child.He doesn't look unhappy in these pics does he?

This is what I don't get. When I asked why the Khadr's were able to return home after training in terrorist camps, I was basically told 'once a Canadian, always a Canadian.' That they had the right to return home.

So why doesn't Conrad Black have that same right? Why does he have to "regain" his citizenship?

No one has answered that question yet. Perhaps no one has an answer.

[Oleg Bach]

If he renounces and discards his peerage, then I would be willing to welcome him back into the fold, forgiven.

He has learned his lesson and realize that the best are sometimes not on the top of the heap - and that "lord" actually denotes a noble person who is "keeper of the bread" and who's duty is to take care of the weaker and less shrewd..He must have realized that amoung those he tutored in jail - that we have a system where our best minds and finest human resourses are squandered and wasted by a colonial oppressive system that still is in operation - that common jail birds might be the real corporate kings....He will get back to Toronto and heads are going to roll once this old King gets home - the wanna bes and the haters - the leftist idiots who rule this city with social programs that debauch and destroy the population...will be shoved aside - We need this old wise man back ----- I for one..do not have a problem with the rich - I do have difficulty with those who lust to be rich and those that desire power who have no skill..which is the left..the henchmen for corporate socialism that is destroying the world - by destroying those with talent.

[Wild Bill]

This is what I don't get. When I asked why the Khadr's were able to return home after training in terrorist camps, I was basically told 'once a Canadian, always a Canadian.' That they had the right to return home.

So why doesn't Conrad Black have that same right? Why does he have to "regain" his citizenship?

No one has answered that question yet. Perhaps no one has an answer.

You aren't likely to get an answer, AW! Most of those who criticize Black do so simply because he was a very rich man. They see him as some kind of simplistic "bourgoisie" target. Not surprising. So did the army of American DA's who convicted him!

It obviously had nothing to do with how he ran his company. How do we know this? The people appointed by the court to manage the company in his absence ran it into the ground! The stockholders lost millions! Little old ladies lost their pension money!

The lobby out to get Black could not possibly have been acting for "the good of society", assuming that meant that those investing in Black's businesses had been wronged by criminal actions. If they were, they would not have destroyed those businesses!

It's like the old Viet Nam war quote from some general or other "We had to destroy the village in order to save it!"

No, it's just envy and anti-capitalism cliches, all over again.

Black created an empire that employed a LOT of people so they could feed their kids! A lot of folks got a good return on their investment. He is hated by so many because he is a man of standards. Witness his spat with Chretien. Black was never a supporter of the Chretien Liberals. So when Britain offered Black a peerage Chretien couldn't resist digging up some old law at the last minute that said a Canadian could not accept. The fact that Canadians had accepted such peerages before in our history was ignored by the Chretien Liberals. It was really just a very, very petty gesture.

So Black threw it back in Chretien's face and dropped his Canadian citizenship! I don't blame him. In his place I might have done the same. Black had directly benefited far more people with a good income than Chretien ever had in his life of politics.

Meanwhile, we are now witnessing the hypocrisy of those who would champion a citizen of convenience like Khadr, a terrorist thug from a family of terrorist thugs, to be allowed to return to Canada yet who would deny the same opportunity to Black.

It is just totally, ridiculously absurd! It is like preferring Charles Manson over Martin Luther King. The comparison is so mindboggling it simply shouldn't be allowed.

[Remiel]

Why does he have to "regain" his citizenship?

Because he explicitly renounced it? Does that not mean that he is no longer in possession of Canadian citizenship?

[bebe]

Black can't return to Canada yet

Lord Black's lawyer Miguel Estrada told the court one reason Lord black should be allowed to return to Toronto is the health condition of his wife. Mr. Estrada said the condition was not serious but it was difficult for her to live in Palm Beach.

awww ...

[ToadBrother]

This is what I don't get. When I asked why the Khadr's were able to return home after training in terrorist camps, I was basically told 'once a Canadian, always a Canadian.' That they had the right to return home.

So why doesn't Conrad Black have that same right? Why does he have to "regain" his citizenship?

No one has answered that question yet. Perhaps no one has an answer.

Because Conrad Black willingly gave up his citizenship when he accepted a British title. Khadr did not. Khadr is still a Canadian citizen, Conrad Black is not.

I'm not saying it's fair. The whole issue of his accepting a foreign title was a load of crap, based on the Nickle's Resolution, which has always been of dubious constitutional status, since it was never passed as an act, never sent to the Senate and never given Royal Assent, and since one might argue that it alters Royal Prerogative, it most certainly wasn't something that a mere motion in the House would find sufficient to give it any force of law. The whole thing was a chest-thumping exercise between Black and Chretien. There's nothing in Canadian law or in our Constitution which forbids the accepting of titles of nobility, particularly those conferred by our Sovereign.

Edited July 23, 2010 by ToadBrother

[sharkman]

Yes, that was not Chretien's finest hour(not that he's had many) in which he stooped to make life difficult for a single Canadian citizen based on the fact that he didn't like what that citizen ran, a once potent National Post.

[Remiel]

There's nothing in Canadian law or in our Constitution which forbids the accepting of titles of nobility, particularly those conferred by our Sovereign.

I think, arguably, in a case such as this the title was conferred by the Queen acting in her role as the Queen of the United Kingdom, not the Queen of Canada. There are, after all, no noble titles for the Queen of Canada to award.