Conrad Black.....will soon be home.

[sharkman]

a stupid trusting jerk Conrad was---DOES HE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THIS LIBERAL HENCHERY ---------------ALWAYS GOES THROUGH THE MAN'S WEAKEST POINT - THEY WILL GO THROUGH THE THINGS YOU LOVE - WHETHER IT BE A WIFE OR YOUR INFANT CHILDREN ...

He should have never brought up the issue of his wife's health - they used it to manipulate him...what a fool - are you listening Conrad?...You do not seem to know your OWN insidious system.

The judge who is deciding his Canadian fate is the same one who wouldn't consider his appeals and now that this same judge has been handed her lunch by the district court of appeals, I wouldn't be surprised if she was bitter about it - a woman scorned and all of that. Her actions now seem to reveal this, she wants intricate details of Conrad's financial picture, as if that has anything to do with whether he should be allowed to go to Canada.

There is the chance that Conrad is playing her. He's a pretty sharp cookie, and know's this silly judge wants her pound of flesh for being over ruled so he throws her this bone of not letting him go to Canada and her bitterness may be a little sated by denying him Canada. Then she might be a little more reasonable for more serious decisions. Just a thought.

When Black was originally sentenced by this same judge, his response was that he felt he had received a fair trial from her. Which was of course farthest from the truth since he then submitted appeals. So he seems to try to play people or manipulate situations which is hardly a surprise, that's why I consider it possible he might be trying to play this judge with his latest move.

[Oleg Bach]

The judge who is deciding his Canadian fate is the same one who wouldn't consider his appeals and now that this same judge has been handed her lunch by the district court of appeals, I wouldn't be surprised if she was bitter about it - a woman scorned and all of that. Her actions now seem to reveal this, she wants intricate details of Conrad's financial picture, as if that has anything to do with whether he should be allowed to go to Canada.

There is the chance that Conrad is playing her. He's a pretty sharp cookie, and know's this silly judge wants her pound of flesh for being over ruled so he throws her this bone of not letting him go to Canada and her bitterness may be a little sated by denying him Canada. Then she might be a little more reasonable for more serious decisions. Just a thought.

When Black was originally sentenced by this same judge, his response was that he felt he had received a fair trial from her. Which was of course farthest from the truth since he then submitted appeals. So he seems to try to play people or manipulate situations which is hardly a surprise, that's why I consider it possible he might be trying to play this judge with his latest move.

Judges do get emotional and they are a very very proud bunch for the most part..If she felt scorned she would want retribution..but Conrad must understand that she is caught behind a rock and a hard place..if she decides to pummle him full force she would be showing her cards..show the fact that it is about personal power and not justice..I am sure she was privately enraged and livid to the point of cursing in the shower as she lathered her sagging breasts while contimplating if her uterus had turned to stone.

She should have let him come home - this was done out of spite...as with the small guys..once they want your finacial skeltons and tax information...that means that cannibalism of a plump individual is underway..I see this in the lower courts - You can destroy someone by using the tax department..It is done all the time even in our family law system...sad part is that no one wins..

Conrad is not a flight risk...it is strange that they are punishing him to this degree---but as you see with celebs these days - the new National Socialists like to show the public that even the high and mighty can be destroyed by the common ignorant collective.

It is frightening that this is a trend these days - IF you operate in the "private sphere" and you want to excell--look out..systemically speaking..Those who are bright and talented are out numbered by the collective mass that is the new stupified and unskilled - ungifted socialist hords...My self - My brother - My sister...have all been royally screwed by the feds in regards to money owed that did not really exist..Conrad has money - but it is a small percentage of the original amount..He should be entilted to keep what he legally earned - BUT they will not be happy untill they stick him in some room with plasitc curtains and have him wait for his welfare cheaque - They do it to the little guy - and now they do it with the big guy...that is why I am protective of Conrad - ONCE THEY ARE DONE WITH HIM - THEY WILL COME FOR YOU.

[ToadBrother]

The judge who is deciding his Canadian fate is the same one who wouldn't consider his appeals and now that this same judge has been handed her lunch by the district court of appeals, I wouldn't be surprised if she was bitter about it - a woman scorned and all of that. Her actions now seem to reveal this, she wants intricate details of Conrad's financial picture, as if that has anything to do with whether he should be allowed to go to Canada.

It's almost always the rule that the appellate courts will send these matters back to the original trial court, since that would be the court with the jurisdiction for retrial and other legal matters regarding the case. Beyond that, your post is absurdly sexist and profoundly weird.

Edited July 30, 2010 by ToadBrother

[Wild Bill]

As for the rest: granted, you're offering opinions (yours and parts of the Canadian public's), so that's fair enough; but that doesn't mean the opinons are automatically correct.

No argument! There's an old joke about how everyone has an opinion!

What bothers me however is that smallc is championing a system where we all have opinions but the minority opinion rules!

I have a healthy fear of elitists! An elitist is someone who might think it a good idea to chop off YOUR arm! People as a majority can make mistakes but they can also learn from them. When a minority has the power we are subject to their whim! If they are wrong we all suffer, without any check or balance to correct the mistake.

[Smallc]

No argument! There's an old joke about how everyone has an opinion!

What bothers me however is that smallc is championing a system where we all have opinions but the minority opinion rules!

Who said that? Certainly not me.

[Oleg Bach]

It's almost always the rule that the appellate courts will send these matters back to the original trial court, since that would be the court with the jurisdiction for retrial and other legal matters regarding the case. Beyond that, your post is absurdly sexist and profoundly weird.

Sure it is sexist and that was for the sake of humor - creating a picture of an overly ambitious female judge, who probably if married had a hyphonated last name...lol...............don't tell me that this new brand of powerful female, who spawns from the now old school of feminist eccentricty..does not take into account that Conrad for the most part is a traditionalist- and his now aging wife is what used to be called a "trophy wife" - and the fact that this judge probably dispises such an arrangement between a man and a woman...is irksome and none of her god damned buisness.

AS for the court recyling things back down ward to the original trial court...it is much like our Supreme Court that does not want to rule against policy - quashing a matter and leaving no recourse but to take the thing to that silly thing called the Human Rights Commission...This is probably a human rights issue - but as for human rights it seems that they are reserved for the middle class and poor...

- ONCE the system decided to attack one of it's own..rich people do NOT have human rights- If Conrad was poor...and a nobody...The matter would clearly be a human rights issue...BUT tormenting a big man does not qualify for protection through civil law...Conrad is being persecuted and we all love a hate object.....Just because he WAS rich powerful and arrogant we believe that he should be cruxified and made an example of.

Conrad Black is having the shit beat out of him for no other reason than climbing the social and finacial ladder to the top of the heap....at least this guy tried to make the most of himself..and those that do not achieve any real success seek to destroy those that have.

[ToadBrother]

Sure it is sexist and that was for the sake of humor - creating a picture of an overly ambitious female judge, who probably if married had a hyphonated last name...lol...............don't tell me that this new brand of powerful female, who spawns from the now old school of feminist eccentricty..does not take into account that Conrad for the most part is a traditionalist- and his now aging wife is what used to be called a "trophy wife" - and the fact that this judge probably dispises such an arrangement between a man and a woman...is irksome and none of her god damned buisness.

Bull.. crap. More of your fantasy land. The jury convicted Black. The likelihood of a judge refusing a jury's decision is so incredibly unlikely as to be considered impossible. The judge sentenced based on the criminal violations Black was convicted of, as was her job. That a higher court rejected the prosecution's interpretation of the law in question is not the judge's fault.

Do any of you misogynistic morons know a damned thing about anything? It must be horrible to be both ugly on the inside and a complete a delusional idiot.

[Oleg Bach]

Bull.. crap. More of your fantasy land. The jury convicted Black. The likelihood of a judge refusing a jury's decision is so incredibly unlikely as to be considered impossible. The judge sentenced based on the criminal violations Black was convicted of, as was her job. That a higher court rejected the prosecution's interpretation of the law in question is not the judge's fault.

Do any of you misogynistic morons know a damned thing about anything? It must be horrible to be both ugly on the inside and a complete a delusional idiot.

I am a very beautiful human being on the inside and the out side _ I paint great pictures - recorded and wrote some beautiful pop ballads - raised four children - and make love to over 200 woman...in my time...You can not be ugly or deluded or an idiot to accomplish that...also _ I have befriended the lowly crack head and the highest investment banker in the nation...and I love you even though you can not take a joke..

As for Conrad...ten thousand executive types caused the recent finacial crash...either jail all of them or none of them.

[Sir Bandelot]

Conrad Black, he go away

But only for 9 months. I think the judge was too lenient. So what if he was a 'model prisoner' when he was in jail before? Why do the rich get a pass, while the poor man, the nobody is given a full sentence? Because the rich man affords an expensive lawyer and pays big money into the legal system, propping up the courts.

Black made an impassioned plea that he was concerned for the effect his sentence would have on his wife and family. That's part of the punishment, for those who lived off the avails of your crimes, and lived quite well. It is rigt that they should suffer, and that it disturbs his conscience. But despite this sentence, which is only for a short time, they will continue living high on the hog and can party on, once CONrad gets out of jail.

Edited June 25, 2011 by Sir Bandelot

[ToadBrother]

Conrad Black, he go away

But only for 9 months. I think the judge was too lenient. So what if he was a 'model prisoner' when he was in jail before? Why do the rich get a pass, while the poor man, the nobody is given a full sentence? Because the rich man affords an expensive lawyer and pays big money into the legal system, propping up the courts.

I think she did the best she could. She was left basically sentencing for two convictions, the others being tossed. And I'm not sure how much money Black's got left. I'll wager less than he'd like, and it's not like he sells enough of his ponderous books to keep him in fine wines.

I was actually not expecting any more prison time.

Black made an impassioned plea that he was concerned for the effect his sentence would have on his wife and family. That's part of the punishment, for those who lived off the avails of your crimes, and lived quite well. It is rigt that they should suffer, and that it disturbs his conscience. But despite this sentence, which is only for a short time, they will continue living high on the hog and can party on, once CONrad gets out of jail.

He's got nine more months. He'll survive, doubtless by writing some weighty tome on the American justice system.

[Sir Bandelot]

I think she did the best she could. She was left basically sentencing for two convictions, the others being tossed. And I'm not sure how much money Black's got left. I'll wager less than he'd like, and it's not like he sells enough of his ponderous books to keep him in fine wines.

I was actually not expecting any more prison time.

He's got nine more months. He'll survive, doubtless by writing some weighty tome on the American justice system.

The above is exactly the careless liberal attitude that lets criminals get out of jail with minimal time served. The backlash for this attitude is, the Conservative Party of Canada.

[sharkman]

I think she did the best she could. She was left basically sentencing for two convictions, the others being tossed. And I'm not sure how much money Black's got left. I'll wager less than he'd like, and it's not like he sells enough of his ponderous books to keep him in fine wines.

I was actually not expecting any more prison time.

He's got nine more months. He'll survive, doubtless by writing some weighty tome on the American justice system.

I read in the Post that his original conviction included fraud of 6.1 million, and with part of the convictions thrown out, that amount went down to 600,000. One tenth. I thought he'd walk as well. I also wondered why he got sent to a prison in Florida to do his time. Wasn't his job in Chicago? Weird.

[ToadBrother]

I read in the Post that his original conviction included fraud of 6.1 million, and with part of the convictions thrown out, that amount went down to 600,000. One tenth. I thought he'd walk as well. I also wondered why he got sent to a prison in Florida to do his time. Wasn't his job in Chicago? Weird.

I don't know how they select prisons, but these are federal charges so he goes to a federal prison.

[Oleg Bach]

Conrad Black put having a fancy title ahead of his very identity as a Canadian. He gave up on Canada, not for real exceptionalism, but for a facade. This country is not his Home. He made sure of that.

Well put - presentation is everything - and the "facade" seems to have crumbled - Just wonder if the old guy has learned his lesson and understands what is of real value in life - other than being a big shot. In or near the end of every game people come to there senses...just wonder if this old dog can learn a new trick and be a truely respectable man...I hope so - hate to see talent go to waste ...especially in the end game.

[pinko]

Well put - presentation is everything - and the "facade" seems to have crumbled - Just wonder if the old guy has learned his lesson and understands what is of real value in life - other than being a big shot. In or near the end of every game people come to there senses...just wonder if this old dog can learn a new trick and be a truely respectable man...I hope so - hate to see talent go to waste ...especially in the end game.

Conrad Black is a convicted criminal and shouldn't be allowed to return to Canada. As I understand it he is a British citizen so that should be his detination.

Edited July 24, 2011 by pinko

[Yukon Jack]

Conrad Black is a convicted criminal and shouldn't be allowed to return to Canada. As I understand it he is a British citizen so that should be his detination.

Conrad Black chose to renounce his Canadian Citizenship in order to become Lord Clarance Elmsworth of the British Upper house of dotty old, aristocratic, in-bred doddering fools.

Let him go back there. His ilk is not - should not be - welcome in Canada.

[Oleg Bach]

We all make huge mistakes in life and hopefully we learn from them . Mistakes like betraying your nation of origin...Like stealing some money...and being overly couageous in the arrogant notion that we are all knowing. If Mr. Black has learned his lesson he is welcome to come home _ This is his home and we and he knows that.

This is a bit like the story of the prodical son..who took his inheritance and squandered it. Upon returning to his fathers house in rages - The father welcomed him home and fed and dressed him and gave him a bed to rest..The other son became jealous and was enraged because the "good" son had done everything right...and was angry with his father for not abandoning the bad boy... Conrad is one of ours - warts and all..He has no place to go- or truely rest his head...forgive and forget and let the old man come home to live out his life and die and be buried on Canadian soil...

If you want to banter about in the fact that he is a "convicted" crimminal - remember - He was convicted by the Americans and they convict out of sheer spite. If he had been tried in Canada he may have faced a strong fine and shame...also - If Brian Mulroney can take envelopes of cash from an arms dealer ---and walk free...I suppose that Conrad looks like a choir boy in comparison. As I have always said..either convict every last white collar crimminal or spare them - Conrad is a classic scape goat...and IF we were to catch and convict every executive and lawyer that breached moral code or broke the law - ALL of Bay Street would be doing time...and we would have no economy.

[pinko]

We all make huge mistakes in life and hopefully we learn from them . Mistakes like betraying your nation of origin...Like stealing some money...and being overly couageous in the arrogant notion that we are all knowing. If Mr. Black has learned his lesson he is welcome to come home _ This is his home and we and he knows that.

This is a bit like the story of the prodical son..who took his inheritance and squandered it. Upon returning to his fathers house in rages - The father welcomed him home and fed and dressed him and gave him a bed to rest..The other son became jealous and was enraged because the "good" son had done everything right...and was angry with his father for not abandoning the bad boy... Conrad is one of ours - warts and all..He has no place to go- or truely rest his head...forgive and forget and let the old man come home to live out his life and die and be buried on Canadian soil...

If you want to banter about in the fact that he is a "convicted" crimminal - remember - He was convicted by the Americans and they convict out of sheer spite. If he had been tried in Canada he may have faced a strong fine and shame...also - If Brian Mulroney can take envelopes of cash from an arms dealer ---and walk free...I suppose that Conrad looks like a choir boy in comparison. As I have always said..either convict every last white collar crimminal or spare them - Conrad is a classic scape goat...and IF we were to catch and convict every executive and lawyer that breached moral code or broke the law - ALL of Bay Street would be doing time...and we would have no economy.

Whatever Mulroney's conduct may amount to he didn't relinquish his citizenship as did the convicted criminal Lord Black.

[Oleg Bach]

Whatever Mulroney's conduct may amount to he didn't relinquish his citizenship as did the convicted criminal Lord Black.

Mulroney - lied..cheated and took money in large amounts that he did not declare on his tax form...THEN worst of all - we say that he is a crook and he sues us...and we further his gain and profit? He is much worse than Black - who is just a big kid who played to long at the fair. I could call the cops on you and lie and say you threatened me with bodily harm - They would pick you up..drag you off to spend the night in jail - and if my story was convincing - you would be convicted and I could say that you are a "convicted crimminal" - courts are not run in all cases by wonderful honourable people - some in charge of the judicary have crimminal minds....you can't look at the American judical system and say ...that if it declares you a crimminal that it is an actual fact - O.J.Simpson was found innocent....so under American law you can hack your wives head half off and you are respectable - dip into the company funds and you are a "crimminal" _ you show to much respect for authority my friend.

[pinko]

Mulroney - lied..cheated and took money in large amounts that he did not declare on his tax form...THEN worst of all - we say that he is a crook and he sues us...and we further his gain and profit? He is much worse than Black - who is just a big kid who played to long at the fair. I could call the cops on you and lie and say you threatened me with bodily harm - They would pick you up..drag you off to spend the night in jail - and if my story was convincing - you would be convicted and I could say that you are a "convicted crimminal" - courts are not run in all cases by wonderful honourable people - some in charge of the judicary have crimminal minds....you can't look at the American judical system and say ...that if it declares you a crimminal that it is an actual fact - O.J.Simpson was found innocent....so under American law you can hack your wives head half off and you are respectable - dip into the company funds and you are a "crimminal" _ you show to much respect for authority my friend.

I followed the Oliphant Inquiry and as well have read a number of books written about Mulroney's escapades. Fine distinctions were made about his conduct which, some have argued, was criminal in nature. I accept your premise that Mulroney appears to have lied (perhaps under oath), cheated and took money he failed to declare in a timely manner. The common denominator between Black and Mulroney is the white collar nature of their activities.

O.J. Simpson was acquitted on the charges lodged. This does not mean he was found innocent. It just means guilt was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt in the eyes of the jurors.

That is an interesting albeit skewed hypothetical you have laid out. About the only part of that hypothetical I would agree with is that the police would seek to interview me and that may include a trip to a local police station.

Edited July 30, 2011 by pinko

[Oleg Bach]

How could I? The circumstances are entirely different. Conrad Black was not a 15-year old boy whose choice was made by his father. I do not feel the same about sniffing flowers and sniffing gasoline either.

It is enlighted to say that Conrad Black IS a fifteen year old boy who's choices indirectly were made by his father. Most of Conrads bad moves were motivated by a misplaced sense of justice when it came to avenge his father - who Conrad believed was harmed by leftist unionist. Conrad was driven by revenge - and because of his upbringing and edcuation - has the social maturity of a 15 year old - so have mercy on the dumb guy - We can bring him back and put him to work - One thing he will have is experience - and especially new insight into how to deal with America - seeing he took that American emergion coarce...Imagine the questioning he gets from the authorities on a weekly buisness - "conrad - tell us who is running what in Canada" You will get a pound of nice coffee and a visit from the wife if you co-operate"