Is this true....Some Canadian Cabinet minsters under foreign influence

[waldo]

Foreign influence, probably China.

ya think? About that Chinese investment in the Alta tarsands...

Battle brewing between Alberta, Ottawa over oil sands exports

The federal and provincial Tory governments are mired in a sticky oilsands battle over exporting the resource, with Ottawa maintaining it will prohibit bitumen shipments to countries like China with lax climate-change policies.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper initially made the surprise policy announcement during a 2008 federal election stop in Calgary -- a pledge that would stonewall the Stelmach government's plans to diversify its energy markets and ship Alberta oilsands to China through the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline.

Harper said his government would halt the flow of unprocessed oilsands and jobs to countries with greenhouse-gas emission standards weaker than Canada's, with China thought to be in the crosshairs.

[Borg]

Now this makes you think...Why release this to the press now, is it to divert our attention else where, or are they about to take some action....i mean working for another foreign power while in office is or should be something that is very serious....

Which provinces , which ministers ?

My linkwww.canada.com/news

Politics and conspiracy aside - what if it is true?

Borg

[dre]

Politics and conspiracy aside - what if it is true?

Borg

Then Canadians get what they deserve, for not demanding way more oversight of our elected officials, and theyre communications with various special interests.

Stupid things happen to stupid people... go figure.

[Moonlight Graham]

Maybe timed for the g8/g20 summits. i not really that surprised by this news however.

[scribblet]

This guys needs to sh.t or get off the pot. We know nothing so anything we say is sheer speculation - let's have names and facts.

[msdogfood]

anyone thinking the timeing is very strange??

also CSIS never likes the press so why now???..

[eyeball]

Yeah you would be. Capitalism is so evil.

Capitalism is just a thing, it's what people sometimes do with it that's evil.

Corporations are people too by the way.

Edited June 24, 2010 by eyeball

[ZenOps]

I'd be more concerned about govt officials doing too much cocaine. Drug influence.

Immortalized by Dave Chapelle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jojjp3VLdJw

[bjre]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100624/national/csis_politicians_recruited

But Fadden backpedalled furiously Wednesday.

He said in a statement he had "not apprised the Privy Council Office of the cases ... mentioned in the interview on CBC."

"At this point, CSIS has not deemed the cases to be of sufficient concern to bring them to the attention of provincial authorities," he added.

Fadden, a career public servant, said foreign interference is common in many countries around the world and CSIS has been investigating such threats for decades.

In British Columbia, Premier Gordon Campbell said Fadden's statements were inappropriate.

"He's provided neither the head of our public service, nor me, nor our solicitor general, nor our attorney general with any evidence of this whatsoever.

"Candidly, I think this really was not just unprecedented, but it is incredibly unprofessional, and I think it calls into question how this organization is working."

Campbell said he was waiting for an explanation from Fadden.

"We have to hear what justification there are for these kinds of doubts and aspersions being cast on people who are trying to serve the public. If there is direct evidence if someone is under the influence of a foreign government that should be dealt with."

Campbell harshly criticized Fadden's warning that some politicians and officials could be linked to governments of their "homelands."

"Canadians deserve a complete, a thorough and a substantial explanation of those comments," said Campbell. "This is a country that welcomes people from all over the world."

An international security expert at the University of Victoria called on Fadden to provide more evidence of his foreign influence allegations to Canadians.

Political science Prof. Scott Watson said without evidence it is difficult to reach any conclusions on the matter.

"It's the nature of (CSIS's) work to not do it in public, but him raising this in public, then I think he brought it on himself that he needs to provide public evidence of his claims."

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty also said the spy agency owes Canadians more information so any concerns can be addressed.

McGuinty said the province hasn't been contacted so, from Ontario's perspective, "no news is good news."

In Edmonton, Solicitor General Frank Oberle said Alberta has no evidence that a provincial politician is in league with foreign powers and has never been informed of such by CSIS.

Oberle, said it's "curious and unfortunate" that Fadden has made the comments on TV in the run-up to Canada hosting world leaders at the summits in Huntsville, Ont., and Toronto.

He says Fadden needs to do more than just backtrack on the remarks.

"He's made some very, very serious allegations. He should either substantiate them or withdraw them and if he's backtracking a bit I'd say that's inadequate. He should withdraw and he should publicly apologize.

"It's outrageous to make such allegations, and the particular forum he chose makes it all the worse."

Edited June 24, 2010 by bjre

[ZenOps]

Yknow, ever since Harper got in there have been an unending wave of seemingly unfounded accusations against other members of government.

Its moved from MP's to Cabinet ministers. The only ones who haven't been accused are the judges (I guess they are next)

[PIK]

Maybe he just outed some double agents. LOL

[Wilber]

It would be pretty naive to think foreign governments and business' don't try and influence our politicians for both commercial and political means and it would be just as naive to think they aren't successful in some cases. I imagine we try to do the same in other countries. I don't think there is any harm in Canadians being made aware of it. How and when it was done is certainly open to question.

[M.Dancer]

It would be pretty naive to think foreign governments and business' don't try and influence our politicians for both commercial and political means and it would be just as naive to think they aren't successful in some cases.

Of they and we do. They and we have embassies and consulates just for that reason.

How and when it was done is certainly open to question.

And of course, paying politicians crosses the line whether is is a foreign entitity or even a domestic one.

[Wilber]

Of they and we do. They and we have embassies and consulates just for that reason.

And of course, paying politicians crosses the line whether is is a foreign entitity or even a domestic one.

MD, sorry but I can't believe you are that naive so I won't bite.

[wyly]

It would be pretty naive to think foreign governments and business' don't try and influence our politicians for both commercial and political means and it would be just as naive to think they aren't successful in some cases. I imagine we try to do the same in other countries. I don't think there is any harm in Canadians being made aware of it. How and when it was done is certainly open to question.

such as Harpers being led by the nose by Israel/Jewish Canadians...

and wasn't Mulrony in Airbus's pocket...

Edited June 25, 2010 by wyly

[Wilber]

such as Harpers being led by the nose by Israel/Jewish Canadians...

and wasn't Mulrony in Airbus's pocket...

Countries and companies practice espionage and under the table lobbying all the time. I can't imagine why anyone would think there is some sort of gentleman's agreement that politicians are off limits or that all politicians are immune to being at least influenced or even corrupted. As far as Canadians getting to know about it, the information will only come from the media or law enforcement because you can bet your ass that political parties will move heaven and earth to sweep it under the rug if they find it involves one of theirs.

[wyly]

Countries and companies practice espionage and under the table lobbying all the time. I can't imagine why anyone would think there is some sort of gentleman's agreement that politicians are off limits or that all politicians are immune to being at least influenced or even corrupted. As far as Canadians getting to know about it, the information will only come from the media or law enforcement because you can bet your ass that political parties will move heaven and earth to sweep it under the rug if they find it involves one of theirs.

agreed..I think there maybe a bit racism involved here with those being influenced being south or east asians...europeans and americans, lobby groups and corporations have been doing this with politicians for as long as there have been governments to influence and a buck to be made...

[M.Dancer]

MD, sorry but I can't believe you are that naive so I won't bite.

Maybe I am 'cause your response leaves me scratching my head.

[Wilber]

Maybe I am 'cause your response leaves me scratching my head.

Likewise.

[M.Dancer]

agreed..I think there maybe a bit racism involved here with those being influenced being south or east asians...europeans and americans, lobby groups and corporations have been doing this with politicians for as long as there have been governments to influence and a buck to be made...

And when caight they have been broscecuted with vigor...so are you saying if the chinese do it, we should be easy cause they are not europeans?

Why should the chinese or any other non european get special treatment? Sound like you want affirmative racism to me

[Battletoads]

With out a doubt, the Chinese 'Communists' have plenty of money to throw about and they have shown numerous times that they are not to be trusted.

[ZenOps]

Looks like some Soviet spies got caught in the US posing as Canadians.

Rumor has it that Russia increased their spy and influence agencies (with money and personelle) 4x in 2007.

I'm guessing the ones caught were Directorate PR, X and KR, with maybe some corporate information stolen too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Service_(Russia)#SVR_Command_Structure

What I want to know, is that if Ignatieff is in, would these people be considered Russian spies, or Canadian sponsored spies, lol.

[ZenOps]

Ohhh... Now it all makes sense.

They are going after Gordon Campbell. Which means that it must have been his re-opening mining/mineral rights in BC that caused this accusation.

Too coincidental with the Queens visit to be anything else. I assume that the Queen is concerned about possible foreign ownership of mineral rights in BC at 17 cents per acre per year. Really though, its the year 2010, if the Brits haven't come to claim mining rights by now - I don't think they ever will. Its probably in BC's best interest to reopen year to year crown land mining claims.

[Shwa]

From the CBC: CSIS boss defends 'foreign interference' comments

So a couple of quotes strung together:

During a two-hour grilling, Fadden told the committee that it's "good public policy" for Canadians to be more informed about "foreign interference" threats.

"We are dealing here with a spectrum of behaviour by foreign entities that often start out innocently but later veer toward something that actually harms Canadian interests," he told the committee. "This is a very subtle process."

Fadden said he simply thinks if Canadians know more about the existence of such a threat, they might be in a position to let CSIS know if they see anything worrisome.

So I too wondered about the timing and content of this 'revelation' which is not such a revelation at all really. Could it be a subtle shot towards a few public officials to clean up their act or get exposed? But Canadians letting CSIS know of worrisome things they see? Hmmmm...a mystery?

Which reminded me of a Frye quote from his 'Anatomy of Criticism:'

The fact that we are now in an ironic phase of literature largely accounts for the popularity of the detective story, the formula of how a man-hunter locates a pharmakos and gets rid of him. The detective story begins in the Sherlock Holmes period as an intensification of low mimetic, in the sharpening of attention to details that makes the dullest and most neglected trivia of daily living leap into mysterious and fateful significance.

But as we move further away from this we move toward a ritual drama around a corpse in which a wavering finger of social condemnation passes over a group of “suspects” and finally settles on one. The sense of a victim chosen by lot is very strong, for the case against him is only plausibly manipulated.

"pharmakos" equates roughly to mean scapegoat.

So the government - as the largest producer of news items to fill the newspapers and heads of good, loyal Canadians - has given us a mystery. Of course, for the story to play out, they can't simply name suspects. Yet.

I mean, where would the drama be in that?

Edited July 6, 2010 by Shwa

[William Ashley]

This is a no brainer - there are dual + citizens in parliament including the leader of the opposition - Iggy who is an US citizen who has legal US rights to protect US intersts. Dionne was a French National. Harper was a lapdog to Bush seemingly as far as I could tell. Is China the "enemy" all of a sudden cause they are fueling Iranian planes .. is Iran the Enemy? Last I checked Canada was at peace - so if it ain't Afghanistan - I'm not aware of any other countries Canada is at war with - what does it matter as long as they arn't violating Canadian law - although I think it is illegal for Iggy to be an MP because of his oath of allegiance to the US - that would violate the oath of loyalty to the Queen or Canada as it states oaths cannot be given to foreign governments.