M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utXDAha_vGg&feature=player_embedded#! Despite the red faced distancing from the NDP....I doubt many of her cadre members disagree with her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utXDAha_vGg&feature=player_embedded#! Despite the red faced distancing from the NDP....I doubt many of her cadre members disagree with her. Some of the nutters on the extreme left of the party probably agree with her.I can't imagine the saner ones are terribly interested in her limited lucidity. The one thing I said that would be good about a Lib/Dip merger would be that the wacko's would be squeezed out... Ms.Davies would be Exhibit A of one of these. She really should stick to the gay rights/quasi feminist/ looney left stuff because she's clearly incapable of the real heavy lifting.. Edited June 15, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 Some of the nutters on the extreme left of the party probably agree with her.I can't imagine the saner ones are terribly interested in her limited lucidity. The party has made her deputy leader...you don't become deputy leader because your views are aren't known or disapproved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utXDAha_vGg&feature=player_embedded#! Despite the red faced distancing from the NDP....I doubt many of her cadre members disagree with her. What part of her position that Israel should remove illegal settlements is wrong? That is the UN's position. I would disagree that the occupation started in when Israel came into being, however Gaza, and the West Bank are illegally occupied. I just don't see the Israel argument however ever gaining any traction in Canada. We have bigger fish to fry at home. Again you don't win elections on foreign policy. PS. whatever happened to Joe Clark's promise to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem? Oh yeah changing in Israel is impossible I forgot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Ashley Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 What part of her position that Israel should remove illegal settlements is wrong? That is the UN's position. I would disagree that the occupation started in when Israel came into being, however Gaza, and the West Bank are illegally occupied. I just don't see the Israel argument however ever gaining any traction in Canada. We have bigger fish to fry at home. Again you don't win elections on foreign policy. PS. whatever happened to Joe Clark's promise to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem? Oh yeah changing in Israel is impossible I forgot. What does the post title have to do with the video? This post is painting Libby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 What part of her position that Israel should remove illegal settlements is wrong? That is the UN's position. I would disagree that the occupation started in when Israel came into being, however Gaza, and the West Bank are illegally occupied. I just don't see the Israel argument however ever gaining any traction in Canada. We have bigger fish to fry at home. Again you don't win elections on foreign policy. PS. whatever happened to Joe Clark's promise to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem? Oh yeah changing in Israel is impossible I forgot. It's because she clearly does not believe Israel has the right to exist at all.Her statements make this clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 What part of her position that Israel should remove illegal settlements is wrong? See....I told you the rank and file would agree with her...and just in case Punk missed her tremendously weighty opinion...she believes Israel (founded in 1948) has been occupying palestinian land since ...1948. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 This post is painting Libby. Better get a huge canvas and a dozen gallons of paint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 It's because she clearly does not believe Israel has the right to exist at all.Her statements make this clear. If that is your take. Why would her position be "get out of occupied Territories" if that was the case? Wouldn't it be "get rid of Israel"? I think Israel has a right to exist and should be recognized by all Arab states including Palestine. However I do not approve of illegal settlements, occupying territory illegally, and shutting the boarder to aid. Does that make me an Anti-Semite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 During an interview, Davies (Vancouver East), who is also NDP house leader, suggested that Israel has been occupying Palestinian territories since 1948, the year of its independence, calling it the “longest occupation in the world.” Liberal MP Bob Rae denounced the comments as “truly appalling.” “The logical implication of these comments is that Israel has no right to exist,” he said in a statement. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/823993--libby-davies-in-hot-water-for-anti-israel-comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 (edited) You fail to address and ignore she and the NDP have not only issued an apology for that comment they have done so to Israel's ambassador. http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20100615/libby-davies-ndp-israel-100615/ Yeah she made a mistake and you can see in the video she thinks about it and does not know the dates in which things happened in Isreal look at her. I mean honestly I don't think she should have an opinion on subjects she doesn't know the history of but at the same time I accept her apology for what it is. Edited June 15, 2010 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 You fail to address and ignore she and the NDP have not only issued an apology for that comment they have done so to Israel's ambassador. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/silver-powers/the-ndp-and-israel/article1604141/ actually I fail to accept grovelling lip service. her position is known, no insincere apology is needed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 Even her "apology" was a bit confusing. It starts off promisingly: "My reference to the year 1948 as the beginning of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory was a serious and completely inadvertent error." I'm not sure how one makes such a "mistake," but okay. Except she goes on to deny that she did anything of the kind: "I reject the allegation that I hate Israel, and I reject the assertion that I said that Israel is illegitimate or an abomination. Neither are true." So she rejects that she said what was clearly in the video. Not that she's sorry for saying it (that was so last paragraph), not that she was somehow taken out of context – she simply rejects that she said it. Except of course she clearly did. Oh, and she also called for that boycott, divestment and sanctions, which she makes no apology for whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 but at the same time I accept her apology for what it is. Fake? Disingenuous? forced? I too accept it and her for what she is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 actually I fail to accept grovelling lip service. her position is known, no insincere apology is needed... Yeah whatever we are all human. I'll cut her a break just like I did Joe Clark. People say stupid stuff about Israel all the time our politicians need to but out of that hornets nest. You can't read one Jimmy Carter book and be an expert on the subject no matter how much people on the left think you can. You can't read one Alan Dershowitz book and be an expert on the subject no matter how much people on the right think you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 Yeah whatever we are all human. I'll cut her a break You, cut the NDP a break......impossible.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 Yeah whatever we are all human. I'll cut her a break just like I did Joe Clark. People say stupid stuff about Israel all the time our politicians need to but out of that hornets nest. You can't read one Jimmy Carter book and be an expert on the subject no matter how much people on the left think you can. You can't read one Alan Dershowitz book and be an expert on the subject no matter how much people on the right think you can. Take a look at the blatant anti-semitism in the replies/comments to the video. Sounds like a slightly more candid version of some of the posts I see in this forum. To those who suggest that Israel doesn't face an existential threat and extreme hatred and animosity from its enemies (Arabs and Muslims who hate Jews, plain and simple), the writing's on the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 I'll cut her a break just like I did Joe Clark. What Joe Clark said wasn't hateful ...nor was it the denial of a states right to exist..it was politically stupid ...What the Deputely leader of the Socialist party said was noty only stupid. t was poilitically stupid, hateful and denies a states right to exist...and it was also her honest misguided opinion....Lucky she has Layton to back her instead of someone with integrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 You, cut the NDP a break......impossible.... [/quote Did Harper dismiss the minister of Agriculture, when 20 people died from tainted meat? No. She retracked what she said, move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 You, cut the NDP a break......impossible.... Honestly? Israel? This is what people have on the NDP, the Liberals want to keep troops in Afghanistan past 2011, the Conservatives don't want to release documents on torture (which could involve our government), and what you guys care about is a NDP mis speaking on her position on Israel? Yeah she clearly has no clue about the History of the region, sounds like 95% of the population of Canada to me. Not something we should be dealing with, and I say as much when it comes up in the party. People don't like that but it is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 She retracked what she said, move on. I'd rather not. It's clear she's hateful of Israel...and dishonest to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 What part of her position that Israel should remove illegal settlements is wrong? That is the UN's position. I would disagree that the occupation started in when Israel came into being, however Gaza, and the West Bank are illegally occupied. I just don't see the Israel argument however ever gaining any traction in Canada. We have bigger fish to fry at home. Again you don't win elections on foreign policy. PS. whatever happened to Joe Clark's promise to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem? Oh yeah changing in Israel is impossible I forgot. So you support ethnically cleansing a future Palestinian state of Jews through dismantling of "settlements"? Deal, let's first start with deporting all Arabs and Muslims from Israel to some other country in the form of a population exchange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 Honestly? Israel? This is what people have on the NDP Oh, I'm sure (positive in fact) that there's much more to be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 What Joe Clark said wasn't hateful ...nor was it the denial of a states right to exist..it was politically stupid ...What the Deputely leader of the Socialist party said was noty only stupid. t was poilitically stupid, hateful and denies a states right to exist...and it was also her honest misguided opinion....Lucky she has Layton to back her instead of someone with integrity. Ummmmm to you it wasn't hateful. To a Palestinian living in occupied Jerusalem it was very hateful. That might be why he sent Stanfield to clean up his mess and why he never moved the embassy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 Yeah whatever we are all human. I'll cut her a break just like I did Joe Clark. People say stupid stuff about Israel all the time our politicians need to but out of that hornets nest. You can't read one Jimmy Carter book and be an expert on the subject no matter how much people on the left think you can. You can't read one Alan Dershowitz book and be an expert on the subject no matter how much people on the right think you can. You should try a reading a book sometime. I have Carter's "Peace not Apartheid" audiobook if you're interested... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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