bloodyminded Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Actually, the open, sometimes proud, always callous hatred for the Palestinians is continually on display here. In a matter of the past few days, I have been soberly informed that the Palestinians are nothing more than "millions of savages." I have been instructed (by a different poster) that they are "a disease." I have watched poster after poster admonish naomiglover for her "one-sidedness" on this issue, but consider: naomiglover has many times--many times--claimed that Hamas has committed war crimes. And not one of those accusing her of "one-sidedness" or of "hating Israel" has ever, ever, not once, made a similar claim about Israel...even though the matter is clear and of public record. In other words, they are hypocrites so unbelievably wanton that I genuinely don't think they even recognize their own hypocrisy...to say nothing of their hostility to thought and reason. They are literally what they falsely accuse naomiglover of being. It's as if Shady were accusing me of liking Ann Coulter too much. (Exactly like that; the analogy is pitch-perfect.) Several posters, in the midst of their outrage over Helen Thomas' "ethnic cleansing' remark--made off the cuff and not as clear-cut as they would have it--have wisely suggested that the Palestinians should all leave, forcibly or otherwise; astonishingly, they appear completely, blandly impervious to their own contradictions on this matter. Finally, as I've said--given the tantrums thrown over the Helen Thomas remarks--direct, far more unequivocal remarks suggesting the outright ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, by no less figures than Dick Armey and mainstream Democrat Chuck Schumer, go totally unnoticed. And that's because the hatred for the Palestinians is so extreme, so intense, that there are no standards too low to sink. But, I suppose when you're talking about savages and diseases, anything goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naomiglover Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Really. Isn't this a bit of an overreaction? Ms. Davies is a huge advocate of human rights and international law. Her record speaks for itself. She has already said that she made an error when the person asked her to pick between the two dates. Seriously, Harper has compared Libby Davies to terrorist groups. You people support this type of politics? Here is Ms. Davies' response to Ottawa Citizen: June 11, 2010 Dear Editor, I am writing in response to your June 11 editorial which refers to a video of me recorded last Saturday, and posted online (Hater's, Ottawa Citizen, June 11, 2010). My reference to the year 1948 as the beginning of the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory was a serious and completely inadvertent error; I apologize for this and regret any confusion it has caused. I have always supported a two-state solution to the on-going Israeli-Palestinian conflict and have never questioned Israel's right to exist and the Palestinian’s right to a viable state. New Democrats have long called for a peaceful, negotiated end to the conflict where Israelis and Palestinians can live side by side with secure borders. This is a policy I fully support. I reject the allegation that I hate Israel, and I reject the assertion that I said that Israel is illegitimate or an abomination. Neither are true. Libby Davies MP Vancouver East Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
segnosaur Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 What's all the outrage though? She should lose her job and her career because she made a mistake between 48 and 67? Its quote possible that some of the reaction has been pure politics, and it was just a case of ignorance/foot and mouth disease on the part of Libby. However: - She had been given 2 dates; even if trying to remember specific years can be diffuclt, she should know enough about the situation in the middle east to know that the occupation didn't start at the earlier date - In the video, she made a point of talking about her visits to the West Bank/Gaza, so she was attempting to portray herself as someone who's "knowledgeable" about the situation. Yet if she doesn't know the situation well enough to know when the 'occupation' began, then she's relying more on emotion than facts/logic, something that is counterproductive in the situation. - She is the deputy leader, and as such you'd expect that she'd be a little more competent at handling situations like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naomiglover Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 This will be a good test for the NDP to see whether or not they will give into the powerful Jewish/Israeli lobby like the Conservatives and Liberals have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naomiglover Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Actually, the open, sometimes proud, always callous hatred for the Palestinians is continually on display here. In a matter of the past few days, I have been soberly informed that the Palestinians are nothing more than "millions of savages." I have been instructed (by a different poster) that they are "a disease." I have watched poster after poster admonish naomiglover for her "one-sidedness" on this issue, but consider: naomiglover has many times--many times--claimed that Hamas has committed war crimes. And not one of those accusing her of "one-sidedness" or of "hating Israel" has ever, ever, not once, made a similar claim about Israel...even though the matter is clear and of public record. In other words, they are hypocrites so unbelievably wanton that I genuinely don't think they even recognize their own hypocrisy...to say nothing of their hostility to thought and reason. They are literally what they falsely accuse naomiglover of being. It's as if Shady were accusing me of liking Ann Coulter too much. (Exactly like that; the analogy is pitch-perfect.) Several posters, in the midst of their outrage over Helen Thomas' "ethnic cleansing' remark--made off the cuff and not as clear-cut as they would have it--have wisely suggested that the Palestinians should all leave, forcibly or otherwise; astonishingly, they appear completely, blandly impervious to their own contradictions on this matter. Finally, as I've said--given the tantrums thrown over the Helen Thomas remarks--direct, far more unequivocal remarks suggesting the outright ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, by no less figures than Dick Armey and mainstream Democrat Chuck Schumer, go totally unnoticed. And that's because the hatred for the Palestinians is so extreme, so intense, that there are no standards too low to sink. But, I suppose when you're talking about savages and diseases, anything goes. Excellent post and I appreciate your comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 This will be a good test for the NDP to see whether or not they will give into the powerful Jewish/Israeli lobby like the Conservatives and Liberals have. It's a conspiracy!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Excellent post and I appreciate your comments. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 It's a conspiracy!!! No kidding. Them damned evil Jews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naomiglover Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 1) Other than your psychic abilities, how do you know her mistake was one of dates or one of foot in mouth? She responded. 2) Kenney should have been disciplined strongly, especially in light of his anti communist, anti terrorist views. But he wasn't by Harper who has now compared Libby Davies to terrorist groups. I am curious if you made a thread about Kenney attending a rally with the terrorist organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 But he wasn't by Harper who has now compared Libby Davies to terrorist groups. No more over the top than what Harper is often called. But this bizarre defense of Davies amazes me. I don't think she meant 1948. I think she's big mouthed idiot who probably has no idea the significance of 1948 vs. 1967, which begs the question, no matter what side of the debate upon which you stand, why is she mouthing off when she's clearly ignorant of basic facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Hey everybody... Naomi responded to something here that was'nt on the "Rest of the World" page that was about ...Israel... Oh....Nevermind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 She responded. And because she is a politiciam caught in a scandal who is not part of the j00 owned media you believe her... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 And because she is a politiciam caught in a scandal who is not part of the j00 owned media you believe her... What I find remarkable is that there is someone out there who gives Davies any credibility at all. She was a pretty ludicrous figure before this little mess, and I always got the impression that she had taken Svend Robinson's place as the NDP's own village idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 It's Libby Davies. I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't know the day of the week. She looks sufficiently idiotic to probably not know a damned thing about Israel beyond that far Left notion that big bad Israel beats up the poor defenseless Palestinians. She should just keep reachin' for the rainbow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 What I find remarkable is that there is someone out there who gives Davies any credibility at all. She was a pretty ludicrous figure before this little mess, and I always got the impression that she had taken Svend Robinson's place as the NDP's own village idiot. What is it with that party and it's being a magnet for unhinged wacko's on the left? I mean,I have sympathy for the mentally disturbed,but do they require a forum to display their looney thoughts so everyone can see them? And how does this further their cause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naomiglover Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 The topic of this thread is a lie. No one has denied Israel's right to exist and this is a simple case of McCarthyism by those who fear someone who legitimately criticizes Israel and will use any desperate attempt to jump at the person's throat. I'm still waiting for Dancer's thread about Kenney who attended and spoke at a rally, set up by a terrorist organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 (edited) Heared a new name for the "Rainbow Reacher".... Hezbolibby... Edited June 17, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted June 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 who attended and spoke at a rally, set up by a terrorist organization. So you think I should start a thread about something that i don't agree with that happened 4 years ago....to make your flaccid point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 The topic of this thread is a lie. No one has denied Israel's right to exist and this is a simple case of McCarthyism by those who fear someone who legitimately criticizes Israel and will use any desperate attempt to jump at the person's throat. I'm still waiting for Dancer's thread about Kenney who attended and spoke at a rally, set up by a terrorist organization. If that simpering moron Davies actually knew what she was talking about, then yes, she denied Israel's right to exist. But I'm still firmly convinced that she is indeed just a simpering moron. I don't think you should hold her up as some sort of fighter for liberty and freedom so much as a dipshit with a big mouth and a small brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 If that simpering moron Davies actually knew what she was talking about, then yes, she denied Israel's right to exist. But I'm still firmly convinced that she is indeed just a simpering moron. I don't think you should hold her up as some sort of fighter for liberty and freedom so much as a dipshit with a big mouth and a small brain. Spot on,sir.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 ..., which begs the question, no matter what side of the debate upon which you stand, why is she mouthing off when she's clearly ignorant of basic facts? Why? She's an NDP'er, for Pete's Sake! Have you never heard the expression "howling like a commie lawyer"? Some would say the very definition of a socialist is to be all passion and little reason, not sure what they stand for but caring deeply about it! Or as we used to say in the old hippy days, "heart" people, not "head" people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naomiglover Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 So you think I should start a thread about something that i don't agree with that happened 4 years ago....to make your flaccid point? You have already made your point. You are a political prostitute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 There's a spectacular discussion about this on Michael Coren's show right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 There's a spectacular discussion about this on Michael Coren's show right now... Is Michael Coren's shows carried by any of the Rogers cable channels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Don't know.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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