Prince of Pot extradited

[Guest American Woman]

If it's in Canada it probably won't be five years.

Even if his sentence is served in Canada, it will have to be five years. The U.S. will set the sentence, but allow Canada to carry it out. Canada can't change the sentence. Canada will be bound by U.S. ruling. If there's any chance Canada won't abide by the sentencing, you can bet Emery doesn't have the chance of a snowball in hell of being allowed to serve his sentence in Canada.

[Bryan]

Even if his sentence is served in Canada, it will have to be five years. The U.S. will set the sentence, but allow Canada to carry it out. Canada can't change the sentence. Canada will be bound by U.S. ruling. If there's any chance Canada won't abide by the sentencing, you can bet Emery doesn't have the chance of a snowball in hell of being allowed to serve his sentence in Canada.

"Five years" has a different definition in Canada though. Our sentences are always "up to" the time ordered, not precisely that amount. If he's in a Canadian prison, it's very unlikely he'd serve more than one third of it.

[Oleg Bach]

It's a stupid law that wrecks peoples lives, Emery is just another victim.

The other day I told my son he had better contact a music publisher that I had lined up for him...He said sure pops..then a friend dropped by and they blew a joint..he never got around to it - nor does he in that stupifed state understand if you want a secure future, you had better start young...and being stoned or drunk takes you out of the race that is career...and NO - I don't wanna hear how pot makes you creative..it is a crutch and so strong that people who smoke can not do without..it is NOT the funny Mexican seed poping herb of the 70s..as for the idiot getting jail time...well....you either conduct yourself according to the law or you do not...right or wrong you must obey rule of law...and the powers that be would rather have you snort coke and make them money..than smoke dope that makes you lazy. At least with a stimulant you will be productive and burn out eventually..in the mean time...

[Guest American Woman]

"Five years" has a different definition in Canada though. Our sentences are always "up to" the time ordered, not precisely that amount. If he's in a Canadian prison, it's very unlikely he'd serve more than one third of it.

Then it's very unlikely he'll be able to serve his time in Canada. If he's going to be sent back, it's likely going to be with the understanding that he will serve his time as he would have in the U.S. Why would Canada have extradited him in the first place if Canada were going to simply incarcerate him in Canada on Canada's terms? By extraditing him, Canada is putting the matter in the hands of the U.S.

[Oleg Bach]

Then it's very unlikely he'll be able to serve his time in Canada. If he's going to be sent back, it's likely going to be with the understanding that he will serve his time as he would have in the U.S. Why would Canada have extradited him in the first place if Canada were going to simply incarcerate him in Canada on Canada's terms? By extraditing him, Canada is putting the matter in the hands of the U.S.

BIG buisness does not like pot..they like booze and pharma product that they control...pot is not a controlable substance at this time...Once they figure out how to make it a controlable substance then they will legalize it..but that will take for ever seeing pot heads are so nuts when they are chronic that you really can not have a conversation with them let alone a negotiation.

[GostHacked]

So buying drugs is OK for "personal use", but bad for trafficking? I wonder how the smugglers, and mules, and money launderers know the difference?

Not sure, but the charges are different with possession and trafficking, it's just a fact. I know you don't like it, but we don't have cops beating down on everyone for a little weed.

Typical doper defense.

You got nothing else do you? Kind of like if no one mentions the US in a bad way, you have no 'in' to say anything of value at all.

Yep....another good reason lot to unleash another scourge upon the land.

Amsterdam got over it. So can you.

Ahhh...but alas..you don't live in Californy....how ironic...an American state may be first compared to any province.

It's ironic to me that you see irony in this.

[maple_leafs182]

The other day I told my son he had better contact a music publisher that I had lined up for him...He said sure pops..then a friend dropped by and they blew a joint..he never got around to it - nor does he in that stupifed state understand if you want a secure future, you had better start young...and being stoned or drunk takes you out of the race that is career...and NO - I don't wanna hear how pot makes you creative..it is a crutch and so strong that people who smoke can not do without..it is NOT the funny Mexican seed poping herb of the 70s..as for the idiot getting jail time...well....you either conduct yourself according to the law or you do not...right or wrong you must obey rule of law...and the powers that be would rather have you snort coke and make them money..than smoke dope that makes you lazy. At least with a stimulant you will be productive and burn out eventually..in the mean time...

Pot doesn't make you lazy, if your lazy now and you get high your just gonna really like being lazy.

Don't blame the drug blame the lazy guy, the guy could just not be lazy, it's his choice. Pot has never stopped me from achieving my goals.

By the way it's spelled stupefied not stupifed, but then again what do I know, I'm high right now.

I don't care how you live your life, I don't care if you like the choices I make with mine but you should at least respect my choices.

[bush_cheney2004]

Not sure, but the charges are different with possession and trafficking, it's just a fact. I know you don't like it, but we don't have cops beating down on everyone for a little weed.

Yea...that's why your hero Marc Emery is headed to the pokey.

You got nothing else do you? Kind of like if no one mentions the US in a bad way, you have no 'in' to say anything of value at all.

Must be the dope talking....wanna buy a crack pipe?

Amsterdam got over it. So can you.

Another place you don't live...what's with it you guys?

It's ironic to me that you see irony in this.

I hope I get legal dope before you just so I can laugh my ass off.

[Guest American Woman]

"Five years" has a different definition in Canada though. Our sentences are always "up to" the time ordered, not precisely that amount. If he's in a Canadian prison, it's very unlikely he'd serve more than one third of it.

In reading more about it, you may very well be right about that:

Except as otherwise provided in this Treaty, the completion of a transferred Offender's sentence shall be carried out according to the laws and procedures of the Receiving State, including the application of any provisions for reduction of the term of confinement by parole, conditional release or otherwise. link

[GostHacked]

Yea...that's why your hero Marc Emery is headed to the pokey.

Ahh, so you understand the difference.

Must be the dope talking....wanna buy a crack pipe?

The only 'drug' I do is weed. But if you like crack, well go for it dude, I am not stopping you.

Another place you don't live...what's with it you guys?

You tell us. You usually do! What is stopping you this time?

I hope I get legal dope before you just so I can laugh my ass off.

But you are already a hypocrite. And maybe you should smoke, might do you some good.

[bush_cheney2004]

Ahh, so you understand the difference.

Yes...but the only difference on the streets are that you fund crime and gang banging one small bag at a time instead of by the brick.

The only 'drug' I do is weed. But if you like crack, well go for it dude, I am not stopping you.

The only drug I "do" is Chip's Ahoy cookies.

You tell us. You usually do! What is stopping you this time?

If legal dope be your goal, why are you still in Canada?

But you are already a hypocrite. And maybe you should smoke, might do you some good.

I doubt that....dope is for....dopers. I get high on reality....and it's legal.

[GostHacked]

Yes...but the only difference on the streets are that you fund crime and gang banging one small bag at a time instead of by the brick.

No worse than the crooks in Parliament and down at the TSE.

The only drug I "do" is Chip's Ahoy cookies.

Hopefully in moderation. That is the key here.

If legal dope be your goal, why are you still in Canada?

Not surprised you asked this. Why do you think I am still here?

A - charges/penalties not as severe as the US.

B - I'd like to see it legalized here in Canada.

At least the seeds are legal to see here in Canada.

But it would be nice to have California legalize pot. It might actually give me a reason to visit the US. But that's probably more doper logic talkin.

I doubt that....dope is for....dopers. I get high on reality....and it's legal.

So I ask you, what are your reasons to oppose legalization?

[bush_cheney2004]

No worse than the crooks in Parliament and down at the TSE.

Parliament "crooks" do not gang bang in playgrounds or shoot bystanders. Consumers like you are at the root of the problem.

Hopefully in moderation. That is the key here.

Nope...I can eat as many as I please and still pass a drug test / stay sober.

Not surprised you asked this. Why do you think I am still here?

A - charges/penalties not as severe as the US.

B - I'd like to see it legalized here in Canada.

C - Dope isn't logical.

At least the seeds are legal to see here in Canada.

See but not sell....see your criminal code.

But it would be nice to have California legalize pot. It might actually give me a reason to visit the US. But that's probably more doper logic talkin.

Please don't...there are already too many Canadian dopers in California.

So I ask you, what are your reasons to oppose legalization?

It would just be another social pathology, causing more problems than legalization would solve.

Edited May 13, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

Parliament "crooks" do not gang bang in playgrounds or shoot bystanders.

Consumers like you are at the root of the problem.

It seems to only be a problem for people like you in the US, good thing I am in Canada.

Please don't...there are already too many Canadian dopers in California.

Alright, just for you I'll come down, hang with you, have some JD and smoke a few. You seem a little stressed and need to relax a little. Could be just the dope talkin. Durrrrr.

I ask again. since you avoided it, and will continue to avoid it.

So I ask you, what are your reasons to oppose legalization?

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/425/canadaseeds.shtml

In the past fifteen years, Canada's cannabis culture and its commercial infrastructure -- grow ops, grow shops, fertilizer companies, seed companies -- have expanded largely unimpeded. According to knowledgeable observers, there are dozens of commercial seed producers operating in Canada and an equal number of stores and web sites offering the seeds for sale. While "Prince of Pot" Marc Emery and his Emery Seed Company, then Canada's largest, were shut down by the Mounties last year, that raid was at the behest of the US Drug Enforcement Administration and the charges Emery faces are in the US. (That story is being covered by Sixty Minutes this coming Sunday, DRCNet has just learned.)

I doubt RCMP would not have done a thing to Emery if the US had not made the complaint. If he had only sold seeds in Canada (which is illegal) there would not have been charges against Emery. For the fact he was not hiding his operation, and the RCMP has known about his operation for years. Someone south of the border go their panties in a bunch.

Prior to the Heaven's Stairway bust, only three people had been convicted of seed offenses in Canada, and two of them were Emery. None of them got more than a slap on the wrist in the form of fines. Now, Canadian authorities have given notice that the cannabis seed business is fair game, and the Canadian cannabis industry is watching closely

If there was not a peep from the US, again, Emery would have continued business as usual.

Pot is everywhere. If they were to bust every single person for it, the judicial system and the prisons would be flooded.

[GostHacked]

It would just be another social pathology, causing more problems than legalization would solve.

Again, Amsterdam thought they would see the same thing. They seem to be doing just fine.

[Shady]

So I ask you, what are your reasons to oppose legalization?

I think Chris from The Family Guy said it best:

"The chief ingredient in marijuana is THC, a mild form of acid, prolonged usage of which can cause adverse effects to your sexual potency, short term memory loss, and can also severly damage your brain tissue, central nervous system, and basic motor skills."

Sounds like good reasons to me. Not to mention the carcinogenic effects of breathing smoke into your lungs.

[BubberMiley]

Sounds like good reasons to me. Not to mention the carcinogenic effects of breathing smoke into your lungs.

Are you in favour of the previous Liberal government's efforts to ban trans fats and would you go one step further to make possession of unhealthy transfats a criminal offence?

Or are you just a hypocrite for this one issue?

Feel free to provide a non-answer to my question, as I know you can't answer it without looking like a total fool.

Edited May 13, 2010 by BubberMiley

[GostHacked]

Sounds like good reasons to me. Not to mention the carcinogenic effects of breathing smoke into your lungs.

Much less than the legal cigarettes you buy at the store (even with the filter on it). Vaporizers are pretty much what you seek. All the good stuff without the bad stuff.

[bush_cheney2004]

Again, Amsterdam thought they would see the same thing. They seem to be doing just fine.

You don't live in Amsterdam, which is not doing "just fine"...unless you're a tourist on dope!

After 30 years of high times, Amsterdam continues to attract waves of youthful tourists eager to smoke a reefer or two without having to look over their shoulder for the cops. However Dutch attitudes are changing. Successive conservative-led governments have tightened restrictions on cannabis sales, while local youngsters seem increasingly indifferent to the coffee shops’ charms.

A report from European Union’s drug monitoring center made headlines in November when it showed young Dutch people lagged well behind many of their European neighbors when it came to smoking weed.

Edited May 13, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

Much less than the legal cigarettes you buy at the store (even with the filter on it). Vaporizers are pretty much what you seek. All the good stuff without the bad stuff.

Vaporizers would definitely be an improvement, but wouldn't solve the short and long term pharmacological effects (which is why you do it). If California's medical Maryjane law is your only hope, then you will need some malignant tumors or glaucoma to go with your dope.

[Guest American Woman]

So I ask you, what are your reasons to oppose legalization?

The only reason I can think of is because there's no simple test to find out if a person has overindulged, the way there is with alcohol. I do believe if one overindulges, one becomes lethargic- I don't think anyone can honestly dispute that- and no one can convince me that a lethargic person is any more in control of operating a vehicle, performing their job, than someone who is intoxicated. Otherwise I see no problem with it, other than the 'second hand smoke is harmful' sense the way cigarette smoke is. But I would imagine one couldn't smoke pot in public any more than they can smoke cigarettes in this day and age, even if it were made legal. Quite frankly, at times I find the smell overpowering and obnoxious, both in confined places and on one's breath, same as cigarettes; and the public doesn't need to be subjected to that. Otherwise, what one does in their own home is of no concern to me, and if someone prefers a joint to a glass of wine/brandy/whatever, seems no different to me.

[bush_cheney2004]

The only reason I can think of is because there's no simple test to find out if a person has overindulged, the way there is with alcohol....

Correct...which is why employers want nothing to do with dopers and want to detect them at the point of hire (urinalysis). They can recognize and manage the risks presented by a drunk far more easily. Dopers open up a wider range of substance abuse, performance variation, illegal activity directly and indirectly related to dope, and the secondary impacts on the work environment. Taking their drug habits home and saying they are confined there (and only there) is wishful thinking.

The funny part is to watch the dopers try all kinds of tricks to avoid formal detection, from "clean urine" in a heated bladder to the ingestion of masking agents. Many workplaces now have a "zero tolerance" for substance abuse of any kind.

[GostHacked]

The only reason I can think of is because there's no simple test to find out if a person has overindulged, the way there is with alcohol. I do believe if one overindulges, one becomes lethargic-

That does seem to be the main and only real reason why it is still illegal. No good way to do a road side sobriety test on people who smoke. I think a blood test could be involved or something of that nature, but that might have problems in of itself. I really don't know how one would go about testing someone for being stones while driving.

I don't smoke when I drive, and if I smoke at home or a pals place, I wait a good hour or two before heading back in my car. One has to treat that the same as alcohol. When I've been too stoned to drive, I end up staying at my friends for the night. It's just common sense. Which does not seem to be so common.

I don't think anyone can honestly dispute that- and no one can convince me that a lethargic person is any more in control of operating a vehicle, performing their job, than someone who is intoxicated.

I can't blame lethargy on pot. I can only blame myself. I work in a warehouse with heavy machinery, and I have been responsible for having people canned because I caught them smoking pot on their lunch break. I have a couple close friends working here as well, and I would have felt like total shit if they had got hurt by those people and I had not reported it. Like I said, I advocate for a time and place for everything.

Otherwise I see no problem with it, other than the 'second hand smoke is harmful' sense the way cigarette smoke is. But I would imagine one couldn't smoke pot in public any more than they can smoke cigarettes in this day and age, even if it were made legal. Quite frankly, at times I find the smell overpowering and obnoxious, both in confined places and on one's breath, same as cigarettes; and the public doesn't need to be subjected to that. Otherwise, what one does in their own home is of no concern to me, and if someone prefers a joint to a glass of wine/brandy/whatever, seems no different to me.

Indeed, I am with you here on this.

[maple_leafs182]

Thank god there is no tests at my work.

The only reason I can think of is because there's no simple test to find out if a person has overindulged, the way there is with alcohol.

That isn't the reason or they would say that is the reason.

They say it is a danger to us and society, they are lying to us.

There is definitely some hidden reason behind hit, I'm thinking because it may open your mind to see how much the government is really screwing us over.

That does seem to be the main and only real reason why it is still illegal. No good way to do a road side sobriety test on people who smoke. I think a blood test could be involved or something of that nature, but that might have problems in of itself. I really don't know how one would go about testing someone for being stones while driving.

There isn't even a problem with people getting high and crashing, most accidents caused by drugs use and driving is done with alcohol.

[Guest TrueMetis]

Sounds like good reasons to me. Not to mention the carcinogenic effects of breathing smoke into your lungs.

So are you for outlawing tobacco and alchohol?

The only reason I can think of is because there's no simple test to find out if a person has overindulged, the way there is with alcohol.

Actually there are ways of detecting the use of pot immediately after use.

My link

At least that's my understanding based on the above link.