Prince of Pot extradited

[bush_cheney2004]

Nope. He and his two associates were already facing extradition. He made the plea deal to allow them to stay in Canada, while he agrees to plead guilty to the charges for five year sentence.

Facing extradition is different from extradition. Canada would not have been so ready to support extradition had he not made the plea deal. Even then, Emery wants to do his time in Canada.

[fellowtraveller]

I still don't understand how US laws apply to a Canadian who operates his business in Canada. If he was operating in the US, I'd get it and support it. Heck, even if what the US authorities were demanding was his client list so they could go and arrest all the Americans who ordered from him, I'd even support that. But American law should never apply to Canadian citizens living in Canada

Two things: Canada has extradition treaties with many countries, inclduing the US. There is no question he broke US laws not once, but many thousands of times, by Emerys own admission.

Second, being present in a country has little bearing on the commission of a crime in that country. He was 'operating' in the US when he attached US mailing labels to little packets of seeds and cashed many thousands of US cheques. Imagine if instead of sending weed, which is illegal he sent some other illegal substance like explosives or anthrax. Would you still have the same opinion?

[ZenOps]

Two things: Canada has extradition treaties with many countries, inclduing the US. There is no question he broke US laws not once, but many thousands of times, by Emerys own admission.

Second, being present in a country has little bearing on the commission of a crime in that country. He was 'operating' in the US when he attached US mailing labels to little packets of seeds and cashed many thousands of US cheques. Imagine if instead of sending weed, which is illegal he sent some other illegal substance like explosives or anthrax. Would you still have the same opinion?

I believe the US has restrictions on military goods, but its definitely not illegal. The nation that trades the most military goods (legally and illegally) is of course the US.

The US does also trade biological weaponry to other select countries (more often corporations)

But no, they aren't allowed to send it via normal postal outlets of course. Courier only, Fedex has provisions for handling explosives and armaments.

There are approximately 70 million handguns in the US.

Edited May 12, 2010 by ZenOps

[Topaz]

Under the Tory government everyone that is paying taxes and smokes/grows pot, will be paying for those huge prisons to put YOU into!! Now, I don't think this is a crinimal issue its more a mental health issue but the Tories want to throw people in jail and throw away the keys. The yearly cost of these prisons will be huge for the provincial governments.

[maple_leafs182]

So does that mean we can break any law that we don't agree with? Yay...shoplifting should be legal....then it wouldn't be shoplifting!

What can I say, people want their pot. No government should be allowed to tell you can't have it.

[bush_cheney2004]

What can I say, people want their pot. No government should be allowed to tell you can't have it.

Wow....I never realized that "pot" was so important to some people. If it's so important, why aren't they willing to fight and die for the legal right to have it compared to the larger issue of freedom of expression? And apparently they don't want it bad enough to risk a conviction that may stop crossing the border to have cheaper gas.

And they don't want their bus/train/plane/ferry driver smoking pot. And they don't want their surgeon smoking pot. And they don't want their kids smoking pot. How come?

Edited May 12, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Sir Bandelot]

Wow....I never realized that "pot" was so important to some people. If it's so important, why aren't they willing to fight and die for the legal right to have it compared to the larger issue of freedom of expression? And apparently they don't want it bad enough to risk a conviction that may stop crossing the border to have cheaper gas.

And they don't want their bus/train/plane/ferry driver smoking pot. And they don't want their surgeon smoking pot. And they don't want their kids smoking pot. How come?

Wrong wrong and wrong. Revisit "Prohibition, 1920's, and the friends of Al Capone" for further information. While enjoying a nice glass of brandy tonight, after a hard (and booze free) days work...

[bush_cheney2004]

Wrong wrong and wrong. Revisit "Prohibition, 1920's, and the friends of Al Capone" for further information. While enjoying a nice glass of brandy tonight, after a hard (and booze free) days work...

Sorry...wrong country (again)...Canadian provinces have their own, early history with temperance movements and prohibition. Canada actually banned cannabis before the American feds.

Edited May 12, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

Wow....I never realized that "pot" was so important to some people. If it's so important, why aren't they willing to fight and die for the legal right to have it compared to the larger issue of freedom of expression? And apparently they don't want it bad enough to risk a conviction that may stop crossing the border to have cheaper gas.

I'd rather smoke pot than ingest 90% of the pharmaceuticals out there. I can't OD on pot, but all pharmacy medications come with a stern warning about how it can kill you if you take too much, in one dose or over a short period. The immediate danger factor on most pharmaceuticals is very very high.

And they don't want their bus/train/plane/ferry driver smoking pot. And they don't want their surgeon smoking pot. And they don't want their kids smoking pot. How come?

If you are intoxicated on the job then you should not be on the job. If you are consistently intoxicated while on the job, GTFO and don't come back. Alcohol and drugs have a time and place, it is not in the work place. Do all the drugs you want, but you better be sober and alert when you get to work the next day. I've been a smoker for over 10 years. I keep getting promoted and raises. I wonder if it is affecting me at all.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'd rather smoke pot than ingest 90% of the pharmaceuticals out there. I can't OD on pot, but all pharmacy medications come with a stern warning about how it can kill you if you take too much, in one dose or over a short period. The immediate danger factor on most pharmaceuticals is very very high.

Ummm...OK...then how do you legally get your pot? Are you admiting to trafficking?

If you are intoxicated on the job then you should not be on the job. If you are consistently intoxicated while on the job, GTFO and don't come back. Alcohol and drugs have a time and place, it is not in the work place. Do all the drugs you want, but you better be sober and alert when you get to work the next day. I've been a smoker for over 10 years. I keep getting promoted and raises. I wonder if it is affecting me at all.

You would fail a routine drug test for certain commercial licenses. Dopers always think they are above the effects of substance abuse.

[maple_leafs182]

Wow....I never realized that "pot" was so important to some people. If it's so important, why aren't they willing to fight and die for the legal right to have it compared to the larger issue of freedom of expression? And apparently they don't want it bad enough to risk a conviction that may stop crossing the border to have cheaper gas.

To me it's more then the issue of pot or drugs, it's the issue of what role the government should or shouldn't be.

In my view once the government starts to try and control how the people live there lives, the government is tyrannical.

In my opinion almost all governments of the world are tyrannical.

And they don't want their bus/train/plane/ferry driver smoking pot. And they don't want their surgeon smoking pot. And they don't want their kids smoking pot. How come?

I'm cool with having my surgeon, bus, train, plane, or ferry driver smoking pot. I guess I can understand why some people wouldn't want that but that isn't what I'm advocating anyways.

As for kids, do you think drug dealers I.D. minors. It is easier for them to get pot then alcohol.

[bush_cheney2004]

....In my opinion almost all governments of the world are tyrannical.

I guess that means you hate traffic control signals too....tyranny!

I'm cool with having my surgeon, bus, train, plane, or ferry driver smoking pot. I guess I can understand why some people wouldn't want that but that isn't what I'm advocating anyways.

It's not just you on the ferry or operating table.

As for kids, do you think drug dealers I.D. minors. It is easier for them to get pot then alcohol.

No, I think doper parents can impact their kid's choices. C'mon dopers...stand up and anounce to the world that you are OK with your kids doing dope.

Edited May 12, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Wild Bill]

I guess that means you hate traffic control signals too....tyranny!

It's not just you on the ferry or operating table.

No, I think doper parents can impact their kid's choices. C'mon dopers...stand up and anounce to the world that you are OK with your kids doing dope.

You are just a basket of non sequiturs, aren't you?

Because traffic controls make sense then ALL controls make sense? Governments are perfect with all laws and systems? Gee, if you think they're so infallible you must be a Democrat!

If drugs were legal why on earth would you assume that doctors would imbibe before operating? Do they pound back a mickey of rum before brain surgery right now?

As for my kids, the oldest partakes maybe every few weeks at a party, when she's home from school. At school, she's just too busy getting straight A's in HARD courses like physics and calculus!

I have explicit faith in her judgement and am very, very proud of her!

[bush_cheney2004]

You are just a basket of non sequiturs, aren't you?

Yes...but the man did say that any government control was tyranny.

Because traffic controls make sense then ALL controls make sense? Governments are perfect with all laws and systems? Gee, if you think they're so infallible you must be a Democrat!

Democrats banned dope.

If drugs were legal why on earth would you assume that doctors would imbibe before operating? Do they pound back a mickey of rum before brain surgery right now?

Hell if I know...but when they dick up....guess who gets to pee in the bottle and/or submit a blood sample. Also, conditions for hiring often contain provisions for immediate dismissal for drug abuse. Now why is that....could it be that a hospital doesn't want its ass sued off?

As for my kids, the oldest partakes maybe every few weeks at a party, when she's home from school. At school, she's just too busy getting straight A's in HARD courses like physics and calculus!

Sounds great...where can we send her some heroin, meth, and cocaine to go with that pot? Maybe she will share some with you. C'mon parents, I can see it now...t-shirts and bumper stickers that instead of announcing the honor roll, they proudly announce kids who smoke dope!

Edited May 12, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

Ummm...OK...then how do you legally get your pot? Are you admiting to trafficking?

As an end user, there is no trafficking charge. It would only be possession. I have friends who are cops, and they would rather spend the time/resources going after more important things than a guy with a few grams of pot on them.

I am all for legalizing all drugs and let the chips fall where they may.

You would fail a routine drug test for certain commercial licenses. Dopers always think they are above the effects of substance abuse.

For that job with the commercial license, you already know before hand what the deal is. You signed the contract of employment and agreed to the terms. If you get busted, well, Ces't la vie! They tell you up front about random drug tests and stuff. It is clearly laid out for you before you sign up. Always read the fine print I guess.

You can take it two ways. Company drug policies are an invasion of your personal life and time, or it's insurance for the company in case something goes wrong.

I advocate for moderation and having a conscious about you when you do drugs. Make it all legal. Those who have self control, will be the ones who survive.

[bush_cheney2004]

As an end user, there is no trafficking charge. It would only be possession. I have friends who are cops, and they would rather spend the time/resources going after more important things than a guy with a few grams of pot on them.

Classic dope rationalizing....I am just buying...not selling. LOL!

I am all for legalizing all drugs and let the chips fall where they may.

Then please vote for candidates who share your views..and watch them lose.

For that job with the commercial license, you already know before hand what the deal is. You signed the contract of employment and agreed to the terms. If you get busted, well, Ces't la vie! They tell you up front about random drug tests and stuff. It is clearly laid out for you before you sign up. Always read the fine print I guess.

Great...so you also advocate violating such employment provisions until "caught".

You can take it two ways. Company drug policies are an invasion of your personal life and time, or it's insurance for the company in case something goes wrong.

But yet you want to work for the company and take their wages. Must be the dope talking again.

I advocate for moderation and having a conscious about you when you do drugs. Make it all legal. Those who have self control, will be the ones who survive.

Sure...even the kids. Sounds great!

[GostHacked]

Classic dope rationalizing....I am just buying...not selling. LOL!

There is a difference. If I was buying for the purpose of selling to others, then yep, trafficking. But you know whatever.

Great...so you also advocate violating such employment provisions until "caught".

Nowhere did I say that now did I. Typical BC BS.

But yet you want to work for the company and take their wages. Must be the dope talking again.

We have a lot more problem with alcoholics than we do with pot smokers and other dopers combined. Ask any company that.

Sure...even the kids. Sounds great!

The legal drinking age here in Ontario is 19. I would hope that drugs would be regulated the same way. You gotta be 19 or older.

I know many who smoke, most are professionals making good money. A couple are not doing so well, but that's not my problem that is their problem. They'd be unproductive people even if there were no drugs or alcohol. Some are just plain lazy or stupid.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/05/12/california.marijuana.tourism/index.html?hpt=C2

Figures for the region's marijuana economy are hazy, but drive through towns in Humboldt or Mendocino counties and it's easy to see marijuana's importance to regional commerce. Head and hemp shops sit alongside cafes and eateries, and niche businesses -- like glassblowers who specialize in smoking apparatuses -- are more common here than in cities 10 or 20 times the size.

Though Smithers touts Humboldt's timber, dairy and grass-fed beef, he readily admits that marijuana is his county's No. 1 export.

"Oh hell yeah, by a long shot," said Smithers, who has lived in Humboldt for 15 years. "It's the elephant in the room up here."

People smoke weed relatively freely on the streets of Arcata, Redway, Garberville and Ukiah, and bartenders in Eureka said they see plenty of "pot tourists" drawn to the region's high-grade marijuana. Some travel from as far away as Massachusetts and New Jersey, one bartender said.

California has the best chance of legalizing pot in some fashion. It's already legal for medical use.

[bush_cheney2004]

There is a difference. If I was buying for the purpose of selling to others, then yep, trafficking. But you know whatever.

So buying drugs is OK for "personal use", but bad for trafficking? I wonder how the smugglers, and mules, and money launderers know the difference?

Nowhere did I say that now did I. Typical BC BS.

Typical doper defense.

We have a lot more problem with alcoholics than we do with pot smokers and other dopers combined. Ask any company that.

Yep....another good reason lot to unleash another scourge upon the land.

California has the best chance of legalizing pot in some fashion. It's already legal for medical use.

Ahhh...but alas..you don't live in Californy....how ironic...an American state may be first compared to any province.

[Guest TrueMetis]

He "broke" Canadian criminal code that makes the sale of cannabis seeds illegal.

Then he can pay the $200 fine.

[bush_cheney2004]

Then he can pay the $200 fine.

Multiple counts bro'....way more than $200.

[Guest TrueMetis]

Multiple counts bro'....way more than $200.

No one count.

He made an agreement with U.S. prosecutors last year that he would plead guilty to one charge of drug distribution in exchange for a five-year sentence.

My link

Though this story does contain some good news.

Under the terms of the deal, Emery is expecting return to Canada to serve his sentence, said Tousaw.

I hope this is true.

[bush_cheney2004]

....I hope this is true.

...and I hope he goes to United States Penitentiary, Marion, Illinois to meet some of his "customers", where they can discuss the finer points of cannabis cultivation during periods of climate change.

[Guest American Woman]

Under the terms of the deal, Emery is expecting return to Canada to serve his sentence, said Tousaw.

I hope this is true.

I think he's "hoping" more than "expecting," but it's fine by me if Canada, rather than the U.S., foots the bill for his incarceration for five years.

[Guest TrueMetis]

I think he's "hoping" more than "expecting," but it's fine by me if Canada, rather than the U.S., foots the bill for his incarceration for five years.

If it's in Canada it probably won't be five years.

[Bryan]

Imagine if instead of sending weed, which is illegal he sent some other illegal substance like explosives or anthrax. Would you still have the same opinion?

If it was a substance of that nature that our government allowed him to openly sell and pay taxes on the proceeds, absolutely.

By the same token, if a gun dealer in the US sold a weapon prohibited here but allowed there through the mail to Canadians, I don't see how we have any right to go after him. I can't imagine the US ever giving in to an extradition request for something like that either. What he did, he did there, and should only be subject to whatever sanctions they would impose on him (if any). The person ordering the gun from Canada is the one who committed the crime, we should go after him, not the American dealer.

Edited May 12, 2010 by Bryan