Prince of Pot extradited

[BubberMiley]

It makes perfect sense to a doper!

But not to a hypocrite.

[Guest TrueMetis]

All those links and nothing that says it has any relation with acid.

I think he's talking Acid like hydrochloric, and you talking acid like LSD. Of course if he is talking acid like an actual acid then he's doing what he always does and is qoute mining. It says in the very next line.

Heating decarboxylates the acid to THC.

AKA heat it up and it stops being acid.

Here's another little tidbit he glossed over.

There has never been a documented human fatality from overdosing on tetrahydrocannabinol or cannabis... One estimate of THC's LD50 for humans indicates that about 1500 pounds (680 kilograms) of cannabis would have to be smoked within 14 minutes.

So who here thinkg they can smoke 680 Kg of pot?

[BubberMiley]

I think he's talking Acid like hydrochloric, and you talking acid like LSD.

I don't think he's that stupid. I mean, vinegar is an acid too. Oranges are full of acid. It doesn't mean it'll hurt you.

Is he that stupid?

Edited May 21, 2010 by BubberMiley

[DrGreenthumb]

In the cannabis plant THC occurs mainly as tetrahydrocannabinol carboxylic acid

That has no relation to "acid" as in LSD as you were obviously implying.

Meat is mostly made up of amino "acid" oooh we better ban all meat products quick, oh no but oranges and grapefruit contain citric "acid", Oh my God what will we eat?

seriously you are a joke.

[Guest TrueMetis]

I don't think he's that stupid. I mean, vinegar is an acid too. Oranges are full of acid. It doesn't mean it'll hurt you.

Is he that stupid?

Well either that or he doesn't understand what the wikipedia article said. If that's true Shady needs to repeat grade 8 science. Though I'm inclined with the Shady is being intelectually dishonest again explanation.

I'm trying to figure out what happens when THC-COOH decarboxylates (THC really being C₂₁H₃₀O₂)

THC-COOH goes to THC + CO₂ because when something decarboxylates it realeases CO₂ but then what happens to the extra hydrogen atom?

(Also I found a use for subscripts awesome )

Edited May 21, 2010 by TrueMetis

[DrGreenthumb]

I think he's talking Acid like hydrochloric, and you talking acid like LSD. Of course if he is talking acid like an actual acid then he's doing what he always does and is qoute mining. It says in the very next line.

AKA heat it up and it stops being acid.

Here's another little tidbit he glossed over.

So who here thinkg they can smoke 680 Kg of pot?

Drop it off at my house and I'll try. If I don't finish it all in 14 mins I'll just freeze the rest and use it for the next 60 years or so.

[ZenOps]

Yeah I don't think anyone has ever overdosed on marijuana. It would have to be a ridiculous amount.

Alcohol poisoning is pretty easy, you could probably hit it with $80 worth of binge drinking.

Funny clip:

I think one of the reasons that governments and police officials tend to see drugs as "bad" especially marijuana is because of their psyche to start with. If you are completely untrusting, agressive, over testosteroned hypocondriac (which many officials are) marijuana tends to enhance it.

If you are just looking for a mellow stoner ride like 99% of the rest of us - marijuana tends to enhance that. Marijuana exemplifies everything good about the experimentation of the 1960's.

[ZenOps]

Is it actually ok to freeze? Its always better just like regular vegetables when fresh?

Its not something I'd want to keep around in large quantities until the Canadian Govt gets around to legalization or at least decriminalization.

[DrGreenthumb]

Is it actually ok to freeze? Its always better just like regular vegetables when fresh?

Its not something I'd want to keep around in large quantities until the Canadian Govt gets around to legalization or at least decriminalization.

lol it IS better fresh and cured properly but dang man 600 kg's? I think I'd want to preserve some for later. It wouldn't really be fresh after a few years anyway, heheh

[GostHacked]

delete, some already answered

Edited May 22, 2010 by GostHacked

[Shady]

I'm in favour of government working for what is generally agreed upon as the common good

Excellent. Well, it's generally agreed upon that marijuana use isn't something we need more of in society. And for the common good, we've decided it shouldn't be legalized.

I noticed that none of you pro-dope advocates addressed any of the proven negative effects of marijuana. Why am I not suprised?

Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty in thinking and problem solving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.2 As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time.

A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be a factor.

In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50–70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which further increase the lungs’ exposure to carcinogenic smoke.

[ZenOps]

Oh come on, do you know of how many swingset accidents there are with childrens swings every year? And see-saw accidents too. The only thing the swing set does - is give you a little bit of fun while flying through the air. The whole reason the swing is there is to have fun with it.

You have a penis or a vagina, so use it: http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/06/29/are-we-blushing-yet/

Responsible 21 year olds like the proposed legalization in California is fine for "recreation" IMO. Some people climb mountains with their bare hands for recreation, others spend hours in front of their Xboxes in a physical state even more rigid than being stoned (Its a little eerie too)

If you work hard though and can afford it, thats the whole reason and a good enough reason to allow it.

Besides the fact that it does have some occasional miracle health benefits to those with visual impairments and MS.

Edited May 22, 2010 by ZenOps

[Shady]

I'll take you Johnny-come-lately types more seriously, when you come-to-Jesus all of a sudden libertarians are also supporting the legalization of hand guns for self-defense. Then we'll see if you hypocrites actually believe what you say.

[eyeball]

I'll take you Johnny-come-lately types more seriously, when you come-to-Jesus all of a sudden libertarians are also supporting the legalization of hand guns for self-defense. Then we'll see if you hypocrites actually believe what you say.

We'll see the same thing when you support a state crack down on tobacco and alcohol for the same reason you support it cracking down on pot.

Until then...

[maple_leafs182]

Excellent. Well, it's generally agreed upon that marijuana use isn't something we need more of in society. And for the common good, we've decided it shouldn't be legalized.

I noticed that none of you pro-dope advocates addressed any of the proven negative effects of marijuana. Why am I not suprised?

It's a choice between love and fear I guess.

Educate people on the dangers, it's all you can do.

I wasn't born to live under the government or societies thumb, I should be allowed to make my own choices.

[Guest TrueMetis]

As usual Shady get his ass handed to him and he ignores it.

[bush_cheney2004]

...I wasn't born to live under the government or societies thumb, I should be allowed to make my own choices.

You can already make your own choices....without hoping and praying that California, USA, makes a better one for you.

[maple_leafs182]

You can already make your own choices....without hoping and praying that California, USA, makes a better one for you.

I'm a little less selfish then you, I don't wanna make life better for me, i want it better for everyone

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm a little less selfish then you, I don't wanna make life better for me, i want it better for everyone

Smoking geef is one of the most selfish things you can do. Keep California dreaming......from Canada.

[Shady]

We'll see the same thing when you support a state crack down on tobacco and alcohol for the same reason you support it cracking down on pot.

Until then...

As I've already stated, we've been restricting tobacco continuously for decades now. In some cases, you can't even smoke in your own home. Why would we open up marijuana use at the same time we're restricting tobacco? Exactly. We shouldn't. They're both harmful, marijuana even worse. However, alcohol isn't on the same level.

But once again, the pro-dope advocate position seems to be, those things are bad, so we should promote another bad thing as well. Actually, no we shouldn't. Tobacco and alcohol were introduced into society centuries ago. It's not like those things were just allowed, and marijuana's being discriminated against.

You pro-dopers don't seem to understand.

But my earlier post still stands. You're all Johnny-come-lately libertarians. Once I see you out working hard for the legalization of hand guns, using your same logic, I'll begin to take you seriously.

[bush_cheney2004]

As I've already stated, we've been restricting tobacco continuously for decades now. In some cases, you can't even smoke in your own home. Why would we open up marijuana use at the same time we're restricting tobacco? Exactly. We shouldn't. They're both harmful, marijuana even worse. .....

This is very true....tobacco smokers are now marginalized and segregated like lepers. It's fun to watch them scurry about on extended work breaks to feed their habit not only outdoors, but completely off of the premises. Pot should be legalized the day after smoking is banned. LOL!

[maple_leafs182]

As I've already stated, we've been restricting tobacco continuously for decades now. In some cases, you can't even smoke in your own home. Why would we open up marijuana use at the same time we're restricting tobacco? Exactly. We shouldn't. They're both harmful, marijuana even worse. However, alcohol isn't on the same level.

alcohol kills more then all illegal drugs combined.

Smoking tobacco is far more harmful then smoking pot.

But once again, the pro-dope advocate position seems to be, those things are bad, so we should promote another bad thing as well. Actually, no we shouldn't. Tobacco and alcohol were introduced into society centuries ago. It's not like those things were just allowed, and marijuana's being discriminated against.

Things are bad so we should correct our mistakes to make things right, we shouldn't continue to do more of the same thing.

You pro-dopers don't seem to understand.

I understand, you think you can tell me how I should live my life, or you at least think the government should have the authority to tell me how I should live my life.

But my earlier post still stands. You're all Johnny-come-lately libertarians. Once I see you out working hard for the legalization of hand guns, using your same logic, I'll begin to take you seriously.

Keeping drugs illegal makes the streets dangerous.

We give gangs a billion dollar industry to fund their operations then we scratch our heads and wonder why we have gang problems. Rather then legalizing drugs so the gangs lose that income, we try and lock up all the bad guys and hope eventually we'll get all of them and the gang problem will just go away, yet no matter how many we lock up, the gang problem continues.

[ZenOps]

Tobacco is not really the problem, its the cigarette that is.

Marijuana is sometimes smoked in a joint, but often its eaten like in brownies just like any other vegetable, or in more advanced users in vaporizers (which create no combustion smoke)

Tobacco is not all that appealing to many as a food (IE: You can suck on chew, but you really don't want to be eating it whole)

Cigarettes of course being laced with a ridiculous amount of other additives - to the point where the tobacco is actually not what the cigarette is about anymore.

[eyeball]

Tobacco is not really the problem, its the cigarette that is.

Truly. There is nothing that opens the Gateway for kids quite like that first cigarette.

That thrill of illicit adult behaviour is what hooks them...reinforced with a rush of chemicals to the brain...

"Hey kid, if you think that's cool, try this".

[Wild Bill]

As I've already stated, we've been restricting tobacco continuously for decades now. In some cases, you can't even smoke in your own home. Why would we open up marijuana use at the same time we're restricting tobacco? Exactly. We shouldn't. They're both harmful, marijuana even worse. However, alcohol isn't on the same level.

But once again, the pro-dope advocate position seems to be, those things are bad, so we should promote another bad thing as well. Actually, no we shouldn't. Tobacco and alcohol were introduced into society centuries ago. It's not like those things were just allowed, and marijuana's being discriminated against.

You pro-dopers don't seem to understand.

But my earlier post still stands. You're all Johnny-come-lately libertarians. Once I see you out working hard for the legalization of hand guns, using your same logic, I'll begin to take you seriously.

Well, I would support legal handguns! I would want a cost-effective registry and MUCH more severe MANDATORY penalties for illegal use! Still, I am not worried at all about someone carrying a gun. I probably brush by a few everyday and nothing happens. I am solely worried about CRIMINALS carrying and USING guns! I worry even more that they usually are the ONLY ones with guns! That means the innocent are totally defenseless.

If you don't agree, tell it to the family of Jane Creba.

Years ago, I was on a business trip to Texas for some sales training. In the evening I was taken to a bar. After a while you couldn't help but notice one fellow in the corner was getting drunk, loud and obnoxious.

Suddenly, the dillhole pulled a handgun out and aimed it across the table at his drinking partner. I instantly heard about 8 clicks in rapid succession. It was the sound of a whole bunch of other guys pulling out guns of their own and aiming at the dillhole!

Someone said "Don't you think you should calm down, fella?" The dillhole looked around and sheepishly holstered his gun. The bartender came over, talked to him and the fellow got up and left.

To a Canadian boy, this was a very frightening experience but afterwards, lying in bed in my hotel room, I couldn't help but think of what would've happened if the bar had been in Toronto. Odds are the dillhole would have been the ONLY one with a handgun! He could have shot the guy at his table, the rest of us for being witnesses and ran out the door. Nobody would have been able to stop him.

It's a plain fact that no cop would ever be able to help you in such a situation. They react after the fact, not as it happens. If some wingnut starts shooting up an American schoolyard odds are that someone else with a firearm will take him out very quickly. Here in Canada the shooter can kill dozens of kids before the cops finally show up to stop him.

As far as restricting marijuana as we do with tobacco, I've never agreed with the war on nicotine either. I'll go so far as allowing VOLUNTARY smoking and non-smoking areas or clubs/restaurants but I consider the present status quo just social engineering fascism.

When you start removing an adult citizen's personal choices you lose both my support and my respect.

Edited May 22, 2010 by Wild Bill