Prince of Pot extradited

[maple_leafs182]

Sure it will. One less drug dealer off the street.

He didn't rob people, he didn't hurt others, he does not deserve to go to jail.

Actually AW, the law DID single Emery out! You must understand that Emory was NOT the only one selling seeds by mail! There are lots of others!

Emery was unique in that he struck a high profile. He paid over $500,000 in sales taxes to the Canadian provincial and federal governments. He made no secret that he supported legalization.

It's obvious that "Deputy Dawg" saw a highly visible target that would make a good example of how tough the law could be!

If Emery had stayed under the radar, not paying taxes and not being highly visible he would still be selling today! After all, lots of others still are doing the same thing! To my knowledge only Emery has been charged.

As for "we must obey ALL laws", I thought that was dealt with at Nuremberg! Anti-pot laws are not founded in good logic or reason. For that reason they encourage disrespect for the law as a whole!

It is Prohibition, pure and simple. There are serious rumours that Miami drug lords have local and state politicians on the take to keep drugs ILLEGAL! This preserves the ridiculously high profit margins!

Personally, I can well believe it! Right now, a drug lord is rarely caught and he makes ZILLIONS! Why on earth would he ever want drugs legalized?

For such reasons, I am seriously suspicious of the motives behind many who are in favour of limiting their neighbour's choices. Some of it is simple "militant do-gooder" tactics, a la "Hawaiian missionaries". Perhaps most falls into this category. There is nothing more popular than telling your neighbour what he has to do, after all. Still, when it comes to money the idea of such "shills" makes sense.

My conspiracy mind at work.

They need drugs illegal because it creates violence on the streets. They keep us fighting against each other and then we become a little more dependent on the government to keep us safe.

It is just a way to drive fear into society to control the population and justify the ever growing police state.

Drug laws don't make us safer, they do the exact opposite.

Edited May 11, 2010 by maple_leafs182

[Guest TrueMetis]

We're talking about the selling of seeds in a completely illegal way.

And that means what exactly? Some things are legal that should be illegal some things are illegal that should be legal. Pot should be legal.

[Guest American Woman]

American Woman, on 11 May 2010 - 09:50 AM, said: We're talking about the selling of seeds in a completely illegal way.

And that means what exactly?

Ummm. It means what he was doing was against the law.

Some things are legal that should be illegal some things are illegal that should be legal. Pot should be legal.

So you say. However, it doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't matter what I think. The law is the law, and regardless of anyone's beliefs regarding whether or not it should be a law, they have to abide by said law, or face the consequences. If one wants to fight the law, there are ways to protest and try to make changes legally. If one choses to break the law, one is subjected to the consequences. One cannot get away with breaking the law because they think it shouldn't be a law.

[bush_cheney2004]

And that means what exactly? Some things are legal that should be illegal some things are illegal that should be legal. Pot should be legal.

So does that mean we can break any law that we don't agree with? Yay...shoplifting should be legal....then it wouldn't be shoplifting!

[Shady]

He didn't rob people, he didn't hurt others, he does not deserve to go to jail.

How do you know he didn't hurt others? He broke the law, and spread the culture of drugs around society. Who knows how many lives he ultimately hurt. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

[Guest TrueMetis]

So you say. However, it doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't matter what I think. The law is the law, and regardless of anyone's beliefs regarding whether or not it should be a law, they have to abide by said law, or face the consequences. If one wants to fight the law, there are ways to protest and try to make changes legally. If one choses to break the law, one is subjected to the consequences. One cannot get away with breaking the law because they think it shouldn't be a law.

Cool so I guess you've never borken the law, ever. When it doesn't hurt anyone it shouldn't be illegal.

So does that mean we can break any law that we don't agree with? Yay...shoplifting should be legal....then it wouldn't be shoplifting!

Go for it, though doing something that hurts someone else is ultimatley different.

[Guest American Woman]

Cool so I guess you've never borken the law, ever. When it doesn't hurt anyone it shouldn't be illegal.

When I broke the speed limit law in Florida, I got my one and only speeding ticket. So yeah, I broke the law, I got caught, and I paid the consequences. I wasn't hurting anyone, either, as there wasn't even anyone else on the freeway at the time. In fact, I didn't even realize I was breaking the law since I didn't see the sign changing the limit from 70 to 55. So I didn't chose to break the law, I wasn't hurting anyone, yet I still had to pay the price. Furthermore, I don't agree that the speed limit should have been lower on that stretch of highway. Yet none of those factors spared me from getting a ticket.

And again, it's your opinion that smoking pot doesn't hurt anyone. It's others' opinion that smoking pot does hurt people. But Emery wasn't arrested for smoking pot. He was arrested for selling seeds by the sh*tload in the U.S. He chose to purposely break the U.S. law. Don't you see that? If he quietly smoked pot, no one wold have bothered him. If he had confined his business to Canada, likely no one would have bothered him. But he chose to break the U.S. law, chose to flaunt it, and he's now suffering the consequences of his choice.

Again. He could have tried to change the laws by legal means. He chose not to.

[Wild Bill]

When I broke the speed limit law in Florida, I got my one and only speeding ticket. So yeah, I broke the law, I got caught, and I paid the consequences. I wasn't hurting anyone, either, as there wasn't even anyone else on the freeway at the time. In fact, I didn't even realize I was breaking the law since I didn't see the sign changing the limit from 70 to 55. So I didn't chose to break the law, I wasn't hurting anyone, yet I still had to pay the price. Furthermore, I don't agree that the speed limit should have been lower on that stretch of highway. Yet none of those factors spared me from getting a ticket.

And again, it's your opinion that smoking pot doesn't hurt anyone. It's others' opinion that smoking pot does hurt people. But Emery wasn't arrested for smoking pot. He was arrested for selling seeds by the sh*tload in the U.S. He chose to purposely break the U.S. law. Don't you see that? If he quietly smoked pot, no one wold have bothered him. If he had confined his business to Canada, likely no one would have bothered him. But he chose to break the U.S. law, chose to flaunt it, and he's now suffering the consequences of his choice.

Again. He could have tried to change the laws by legal means. He chose not to.

I might have a slight bit of respect for Deputy Dawg if he got off his ass and helped at the source for the problem of all the American guns and hard drugs that flood into Canada. Deputy Dawg is quick to demand the cooperation of Canada for pot going south yet he seems to have done Sweet Fanny Apples to return the favour.

Obviously, he's just a self-centred thug on this issue.

[bush_cheney2004]

I might have a slight bit of respect for Deputy Dawg if he got off his ass and helped at the source for the problem of all the American guns and hard drugs that flood into Canada. Deputy Dawg is quick to demand the cooperation of Canada for pot going south yet he seems to have done Sweet Fanny Apples to return the favour.

Why are you making a soft/hard drugs distinction? Trafficking is trafficking. Why doesn't your "do as I please without neighbourly intrusion" apply to heroin, or meth, or cocaine, or any other scheduled drug?

Guns are a legal product in the USA, so would it be better if we just mailed them as parts in seed bags?

[Bryan]

A major drug trafficker got only five years and gets to keep the proceeds of his crime. He got off easy in my book. No tears from me.

What I am having a hard time understanding is how the US has jurisdiction to charge him. His store in in Canada, the undercover officers who bought from him bought from him in Canada. If American citizens bought it from him and brought it into the US and/or had it mailed to them, then they're the ones who broke US law. It's a very dangerous precedence to have US laws applied to Canadian citizens for their actions in Canada. It directly threatens our sovereignty, IMO.

[bush_cheney2004]

...What I am having a hard time understanding is how the US has jurisdiction to charge him. His store in in Canada, the undercover officers who bought from him bought from him in Canada. If American citizens bought it from him and brought it into the US and/or had it mailed to them, then they're the ones who broke US law....

He was arrested by Canada at the request of the US DEA for drug related conspiracy counts and money laundering. He will be extradited like any other common criminal.

[Battletoads]

Emery himself pleaded guilty in exchange for a five year sentence, so why shouldn't he be extradited? How you see him makes no difference regarding the law; and he knowingly broke the law. The justice minister obviously recognized this fact.

Sounds as if he'll be sent to the U.S. within the week.

Which Canadian law did he brake?

[wyly]

A major drug trafficker got only five years and gets to keep the proceeds of his crime. He got off easy in my book. No tears from me.

What I am having a hard time understanding is how the US has jurisdiction to charge him. His store in in Canada, the undercover officers who bought from him bought from him in Canada. If American citizens bought it from him and brought it into the US and/or had it mailed to them, then they're the ones who broke US law. It's a very dangerous precedence to have US laws applied to Canadian citizens for their actions in Canada. It directly threatens our sovereignty, IMO.

where does it end...next Iran will want demand we hand over someone who has offended their religious laws...

[bush_cheney2004]

where does it end...next Iran will want demand we hand over someone who has offended their religious laws...

Or Canada will "demand" the extradition of an American to Newfoundland...oh my!

A U.S. court has ordered that an American woman be extradited to Canada to face charges related to her husband's death in 2006.

Mary Beth Harshbarger is charged with criminal negligence causing death and careless use of a firearm.

She shot her husband Mark while hunting near Buchan's Junction, central Newfoundland, almost four years ago.

Harshbarger has now lost several appeals of her extradition order in the U.S.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/05/10/nl-harshbarger-extradition-510.html

[Battletoads]

Or Canada will "demand" the extradition of an American to Newfoundland...oh my!

A U.S. court has ordered that an American woman be extradited to Canada to face charges related to her husband's death in 2006.

Mary Beth Harshbarger is charged with criminal negligence causing death and careless use of a firearm.

She shot her husband Mark while hunting near Buchan's Junction, central Newfoundland, almost four years ago.

Harshbarger has now lost several appeals of her extradition order in the U.S.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/05/10/nl-harshbarger-extradition-510.html

If your in a country you are responsible for your actions.

If you show me this guy traveling to America and breaking American laws while his person was in America I will support extradition.

[bush_cheney2004]

Which Canadian law did he brake?

He "broke" Canadian criminal code that makes the sale of cannabis seeds illegal.

[Bryan]

He "broke" Canadian criminal code that makes the sale of cannabis seeds illegal.

If it's that black and white that he broke Canadian laws, he'd have been charged here. It's just not that simple. Charges for that offense are very rare, convictions even more so, and as far as I know nobody's been charged for it in Canada in over a decade.

I still don't understand how US laws apply to a Canadian who operates his business in Canada. If he was operating in the US, I'd get it and support it. Heck, even if what the US authorities were demanding was his client list so they could go and arrest all the Americans who ordered from him, I'd even support that. But American law should never apply to Canadian citizens living in Canada.

[Sir Bandelot]

If it's that black and white that he broke Canadian laws, he'd have been charged here.

Thats the irony of it, he should be charged in Canada, regardless of whether the sentence is lighter than it is in the United States. He committed a crime in this country, he should face the courts here. Are we outsourcing our legal system to the USA?

I still don't understand how US laws apply to a Canadian who operates his business in Canada.

He was operating his business based in Canada, but he used the mail to send illegal contraband to the US. That's still a crime. Example what if one were to send Anthrax throught the mail to another country? In that case I would still expect Canadian law to deal with it. Why would we send that person away to face charges if we have a law on the books right here? It becomes a sovereignity issue.

[bush_cheney2004]

If it's that black and white that he broke Canadian laws, he'd have been charged here. It's just not that simple. Charges for that offense are very rare, convictions even more so, and as far as I know nobody's been charged for it in Canada in over a decade.

Nevertheless, Canadian criminal code still includes the law and elements of the offense. Lack of enforcement does not nullify the law.

I still don't understand how US laws apply to a Canadian who operates his business in Canada. If he was operating in the US, I'd get it and support it. Heck, even if what the US authorities were demanding was his client list so they could go and arrest all the Americans who ordered from him, I'd even support that. But American law should never apply to Canadian citizens living in Canada.

Extradition treaties are all about such laws applying across borders, purposely subordinating sovereignty for a larger, bilateral purpose. Why does Canada arrest and deport alleged "war criminals" ? Emery cannot escape his fate just because of a celebrated doper cause that has failed to change the law.

Edited May 12, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[M.Dancer]

Extradition treaties are all about such laws applying across borders. Why does Canada arrest and deport alleged "war criminals" ? Emery cannot escape his fate just because of a celebrated doper cause that has failed to change the law.

I understand that he mailed seeds into the US....in which case there is US postal law..and we know that Wilford Brimley takes a very dim view of breaking US postal law.

[Bryan]

Extradition treaties are all about such laws applying across borders, purposely subordinating sovereignty for a larger, bilateral purpose. Why does Canada arrest and deport alleged "war criminals" ? Emery cannot escape his fate just because of a celebrated doper cause that has failed to change the law.

War criminals have broken international law, big difference. If he didn't commit the offense IN the US he should not be subject to their laws. Extradition treaties are to get people who committed the crime in one country and then fled to another.

Why don't states where gambling is illegal arrest people for going to Vegas?

[bush_cheney2004]

War criminals have broken international law, big difference. If he didn't commit the offense IN the US he should not be subject to their laws. Extradition treaties are to get people who committed the crime in one country and then fled to another.

Marc Emery is a war criminal....in the war on drugs. He is being extradited because of a plea deal to reduce charges and sentences.

Why don't states where gambling is illegal arrest people for going to Vegas?

Bookmaking across state lines is quite illegal and people are arrested.

[Sir Bandelot]

He is being extradited because of a plea deal to reduce charges and sentences.

Incorrect. He made a plea deal, but that's not the reason he's being extradited.

[bush_cheney2004]

Incorrect. He made a plea deal, but that's not the reason he's being extradited.

No plea deal....no extradition.

[Sir Bandelot]

No plea deal....no extradition.

Nope. He and his two associates were already facing extradition. He made the plea deal to allow them to stay in Canada, while he agrees to plead guilty to the charges for five year sentence.

"On July 29, 2005, Canadian police, acting on a request from the United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), simultaneously raided the BC Marijuana Party Bookstore and Headquarters in Vancouver and arrested Emery for extradition to the United States outside a local storefront in the community of Lawrencetown, Nova Scotia where he was attending a HempFest."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Emery

Edited May 12, 2010 by Sir Bandelot