Anne Coulter comes to Canada

[Smallc]

I find the esact opposite with right wing ideologues...Most seem to think they should b able to say whatever they want to whomever they want and if they get offended...Well...Eff 'em and tough $#!+.And they use the word "freedom" to cover up the fact they are just socially inept A-Holes!Anne Coulter would fall into the category of the latter..

At the core though, I find it's the same thing at the opposite end. They are so right, they could never be wrong.

[Jack Weber]

At the core though, I find it's the same thing at the opposite end. They are so right, they could never be wrong.

Right...

Watch some of the youtube stuff where a person like Culter gets questiones and called out for what she says.As soon as it happens,she starts looking around...laughing...trying to sort of belilittle the other person...kinda tell them it's a joke,which is basically,"STFU and deal with it!".Which is basically saying to someone that,not only are you wrong,but you are so laughably stupid that you cannot comprehend what I'm saying.

[Smallc]

Exactly. You get these diametrically opposed sides that both think they are so right that they have a complete inability to compromise. On one side you have people saying down with the free market, and on the other side, you have people saying let the free market run...err...free. They never for a minute offer the possibility of some kind compromise. Everything is completely the fault of the other side, even when it had nothing to do with them. All you have to do to fix any problem is to adopt one side's ideology.....what neither side realizes is that they're both so wrong it isn't even funny. The answer to anything can be found, but never by sticking to rigid ideological principles.

[bush_cheney2004]

....I find the esact opposite with right wing ideologues...Most seem to think they should b able to say whatever they want to whomever they want and if they get offended...Well...Eff 'em and tough $#!+.And they use the word "freedom" to cover up the fact they are just socially inept A-Holes!Anne Coulter would fall into the category of the latter..

Ann Coulter wants to fall into the "latter category", as she has been wildly successful doing just that. She gets network bookings whenever she pleases, and eviscerates her opponents just for the pleasure of doing so. Her schtick rejects "compromise" for losers and ideological wimps.

Appearing @ UWO is just another notch on her lipstick case.

Edited March 21, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[eyeball]

So your saying that immigrants are not necessarily traditional opponents of environmental causes, but the environmentalists have to get to them quick before the other side does?

That interpretation rests on the assumption that immigrants are easily impressioned people who have no existing opinion on the subject.

Also, I have to point out that he says "racial minorities", not "immigrants", and the two are hardly synonymous.

-k

I'm only saying that politicians vying for voters will do whatever it takes to garner support. I'm certainly not aware of any politically exploitable difference good or bad in attitudes towards the environment that are inherently race based. It could be there are a sizable number of fishermen or shoreworkers affected by the wind farm proposal that are of an ethnic background and Kennedy is using that to leverage support from other racial minorities in the general population. As a fisherman, shoreworker and logger, I've certainly been included in the list of victims that environmentalists seek support from - that said though I've probably been their target even more often. Many BC fishermen are of different ethnic backgrounds and while many of these flock together when fishing most also rally around all in the face of common challenges such as really big environmental impacts that affect their livelihoods.

As for linking this to immigration...I recall during the last election the CPC trying to make political inroads into ethnic communities with its tough on crime agenda particularly in Vancouver's Chinatown following a gangland shooting. I recall an article or op ed piece at that time that encouraged Conservatives could work harder to counter the support liberals have come to count on from ethnic and racial minorities due to the perception that liberals were more open to immigration than conservatives. The article mentioned that given Canada is a very liberal country compared to many in the world that it should be fairly easy to woo ethnic voters away from Liberals not just by appealing to shared conservative values but also by actively disdaining liberal values.

By the way, I bet racial minorities and immigrants are very synonymous to a lot of Coulter's constituency.

[Jack Weber]

Ann Coulter wants to fall into the "latter category", as she has been wildly successful doing just that. She gets network bookings whenever she pleases, and eviscerates her opponents just for the pleasure of doing so. Her schtick rejects "compromise" for losers and ideological wimps.

Appearing @ UWO is just another notch on her lipstick case.

I get all of that that.And her bombaste is a vehicle to line her pockets.No question about it.I don't think she is at all helpful in the realm of civil discourse,however.I would also repeat,it says alot more about those who would pay for the "priviledge" of listening to Coulter(and her idealogical goofiness),than Coulter herself...

[bush_cheney2004]

I get all of that that.And her bombaste is a vehicle to line her pockets.No question about it.I don't think she is at all helpful in the realm of civil discourse,however.I would also repeat,it says alot more about those who would pay for the "priviledge" of listening to Coulter(and her idealogical goofiness),than Coulter herself...

Nevertheless, UWO has afforded campus groups an appearance by her if only to demonstrate diversity in the realm of "civil discourse". Hell, UWO doesn't even show up on radar except for this dustup in the media, made possible by her body of work.

Coulter is a lot of things....but she is not boring.

[Jack Weber]

Nevertheless, UWO has afforded campus groups an appearance by her if only to demonstrate diversity in the realm of "civil discourse". Hell, UWO doesn't even show up on radar except for this dustup in the media, made possible by her body of work.

Coulter is a lot of things....but she is not boring.

I agree with that...

Anne is about Anne and the size of her wallet.The vehicle to fill that wallet is to say the most ideologically outrageous thing to evoke some sort of emotional response.There's a small,frankly fringe,element that would agree with her.I believe most don't,including many conservatives who see her for what she is.She is the extreme Rights yin to the extreme Left's yang of living in a culture of constant offense.I suspect she does'nt care what side that money comes from because it spends all the same.

And I agree...Nutjobs are never boring!!!

By the way,I'm so glad I can use the terms nutjob and unhinged to describe peoples behaviour here,unlike other places where some exist to be offended...

Edited March 21, 2010 by Jack Weber

[bush_cheney2004]

....And I agree...Nutjobs are never boring!!!

Anyone who dismisses Coulter as just another nutjob will be finding their ideological nuts in her hand.....getting squeezed very hard while she laughs in their face.

[Jack Weber]

Anyone who dismisses Coulter as just another nutjob will be finding their ideological nuts in her hand.....getting squeezed very hard while she laughs in their face.

Ok then....

[waldo]

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Our greatest challenge is to broaden our constituencies, to include nontraditional supporters in business, labor, hook-and-bullet groups, commercial fishermen and racial minorities. Knee-jerk support for a badly planned wind farm that unnecessarily alienates our natural allies, including commercial fishermen, marina owners and boaters does not advance these objectives.

I get business, labor, hook-and-bullet groups, and commercial fishermen... but why does he mention racial minorities among nontraditional supporters?

I'm honestly baffled. Any clue what he's trying to say there?

as an environmental justice advocate, RFK Jr.'s reference to 'racial minorities', I expect, reflects upon the inequitable, disproportionate and discriminatory positions racial minorities find themselves in regards to environmental risks, burdens, impacts, etc. I would think his inclusion of racial minorities as a part of what he describes as the 'nontraditional supporters' of the environmental "movement", reflects upon a premise that, for racial minorities, basic prioritization demands that pressing socioeconomic concerns take precedence over environmental issues.

... in response to the statement, "We often think of environmental justice as the term that describes the intersection of civil-rights issues and the environment":

That's certainly a critical part of it. In terms of the conventional way that we think of civil rights, the burden of environmental injury always falls on the backs of the poorest people. Four out of every five toxic-waste dumps in America is in a black neighborhood. The largest toxic-waste dump in America is in a community in Alabama that is 85 percent black. The highest concentration of toxic-waste dumps is in the South Side of Chicago. The most contaminated ZIP code in California is East L.A. There's 150,000 Hispanic farm workers that are poisoned by pesticides every year. And God knows what's happening to their families. Navajo youth have 17 times the rate of sexual-organ cancer as other Americans because of the thousands of tons of toxic uranium tailings that have been dumped on their reservation land. So the poor are shouldering the burden for pollution-based prosperity by large corporations who have control of the political process.

Really all environmental injury is an assault on democracy, because the most important measure of how a democracy is functioning is how it distributes the goods of the land, the commons. Democracy must ensure that the public-trust assets stay within the hands of the people.

[waldo]

I would wonder why she's even speaking in Canada since she has such an arrogant attitude towards Canada and Canadians, but of course the $10,000+ fee has something to do with it. I seriously do have to wonder why Canadians would pay to hear someone with her condescending attitude, though, but at least she does like English speaking Canadians.

that Coulter condescending attitude toward Canadians is on full display within this video extract... where she reinforces her liking for only English speaking Canadians... but only those from the west... and only if they're cowboys... or from the Right. She also likes Western Canadian ski resorts! The way the American wannabe Shady fawns over the American Conservative Right, one would think he'll need to move out west. (note: 2nd half of video contains bonus footage of Carolyn Parrish... equal opportunity bashing, hey!)

[Shady]

And her bombaste is a vehicle to line her pockets.

Yep, no different than Michael Moore, Bill Maher, or Jon Stewart. Except that she's smarter.

[Shady]

I expect, reflects upon the inequitable, disproportionate and discriminatory positions racial minorities find themselves in regards to environmental risks, burdens, impacts

Exactly. Except that Robert Kennedy participates in the tradition. Let the wind farms inconvenience the non-wealthy, and the racial minorities. When he's sipping 50 year old scotch off of the stern of his yacht on Martha's Vineyard, the last thing he wants to see is some wind turbines in the far off distance!

Btw, his voice is really annoying. Even if I wanted to, I don't think I could sit through one of his lectures.

Edited March 21, 2010 by Shady

[Smallc]

Yep, no different than Michael Moore, Bill Maher, or Jon Stewart. Except that she's smarter.

Michael Moore...maybe. John Stewart and Bill Maher are neither ideologues nor unintelligent.

[Shady]

Michael Moore...maybe. John Stewart and Bill Maher are neither ideologues nor unintelligent.

Bill Maher is about as rigid an ideologue as one can be. Surely you must be joking.

[Smallc]

I watch Bill Maher all of the time. He is an extremely smart man. He believes in capitalism, but on many issues, he is on the left. He only looks like a rigid ideologue to you because you yourself are a prime example of one.

[Shady]

I watch Bill Maher all of the time. He is an extremely smart man. He believes in capitalism, but on many issues, he is on the left. He only looks like a rigid ideologue to you because you yourself are a prime example of one.

Don't get me wrong. I like Bill Maher. And I watch is show on occasion. But usuallly it's 4 or 5 liberals sitting around, talking about how evil and bad conservatives are. There isn't really much balance. His show shouldn't be called Real Time, it should be called Real Liberal Time.

But to pretend that Bill Maher isn't an ideologue is a joke. And to suggest he's "extremely smart" is a bit of a reach. I think we do a huge disservice, or at the very least lower the bar on what qualifies as an example of extremely smart people. He's a stand up comedian with a couple of years of college education. Big deal.

[Smallc]

Don't get me wrong. I like Bill Maher. And I watch is show on occasion. But usuallly it's 4 or 5 liberals sitting around, talking about how evil and bad conservatives are.

Then you don't watch it much. There are normally Conservatives on his panel 

But to pretend that Bill Maher isn't an ideologue is a joke.

What are his ideological tendencies? Is it the fact that he is anti religious?

And to suggest he's "extremely smart" is a bit of a reach. I think we do a huge disservice, or at the very least lower the bar on what qualifies as an example of extremely smart people.

And I woulds ay he is extremely smart. He's fallible like any other person and yes, he is left wing, but he isn't rigid and unbending. He has discussions with people he disagrees with all the time, and he beats them often on the merits of his arguments.

He's a stand up comedian with a couple of years of college education. Big deal.

As you on the right always say, education doesn't make you smart.

[Michael Hardner]

Don't get me wrong. I like Bill Maher. And I watch is show on occasion. But usuallly it's 4 or 5 liberals sitting around, talking about how evil and bad conservatives are. There isn't really much balance. His show shouldn't be called Real Time, it should be called Real Liberal Time.

But to pretend that Bill Maher isn't an ideologue is a joke. And to suggest he's "extremely smart" is a bit of a reach. I think we do a huge disservice, or at the very least lower the bar on what qualifies as an example of extremely smart people. He's a stand up comedian with a couple of years of college education. Big deal.

I agree with you for the most part. It's a little more difficult to catch the errors that get thrown around on these shows, but it's not that difficult. I would be very happy if they went off the air at the same time as Rush, and especially Beck.

[Smallc]

I agree with you for the most part.

I certainly don't. Bill Maher and especially Jon Stewart make fun of both the left and the right. They aren't ideologically driven like Rush for example, and they are completely different programs that are both funny and serious.

[Shady]

Then you don't watch it much. There are normally Conservatives on his panel

Yeah, there's sometimes one.

What are his ideological tendencies? Is it the fact that he is anti religious?

I would say being anti-religion is definitely ideological. There's nothing wrong with it, but it is part of his strong ideology. Also, he's a big government liberal. Again, nothing wrong with it, but to pretend that he's non-ideological is not being honest.

Also, one can't discount his various jokes wishing certain republicans and conservatives dead is a tad ideological.

And I woulds ay he is extremely smart.

I think he's extremely witty. Not extremely smart. I consider people like Stephen Hawking, or the late Albert Einstein extremely smart. Enertainers/political commentators don't qualify in my book. But that's just me.

[Smallc]

Yeah, there's sometimes one.

There was two a couple of weeks ago and one last week.

I would say being anti-religion is definitely ideological. There's nothing wrong with it, but it is part of his strong ideology. Also, he's a big government liberal. Again, nothing wrong with it, but to pretend that he's non-ideological is not being honest.

Being either of those things does not make you ideological. Being rigidly attached to political views, especially radical ones makes you ideological. An unwillingness to compromise makes you ideological.

Also, one can't discount his various jokes wishing certain republicans and conservatives dead is a tad ideological.

Yes, that may go a bit far. On the other hand, he's spent the last couple weeks making fun of Eric Massa.

I think he's extremely witty. Not extremely smart. I consider people like Stephen Hawking, or the late Albert Einstein extremely smart. Enertainers/political commentators don't qualify in my book. But that's just me.

Science is not the only place that smart people exist.

[Shady]

There was two a couple of weeks ago and one last week.

Lets take a look at his guests over the past few weeks shall we?

Rep. Alan Grayson - Democratic Congressman from Florida

Garry Shandling - Emmy-winning comedian and actor

Alec Baldwin - actor, currently appearing in NBC's 30 Rock

Chris Matthews - host of Hardball on MSNBC

Gov. Martin O'Malley - Democratic governor of Maryland

Elizabeth Warren - Chair of the TARP Congressional Oversight Panel

Seth MacFarlane - Creator of Family Guy and American Dad!

Norah O'Donnell - MSNBC's Chief Washington Correspondent

Fmr. Gov. Eliot Spitzer (D-NY) - Former Governor of New York

Chrystina Freeland - journalist

Reihan Salam - journalist

Olivia Wilde - actor

Adam Carolla - comedian

Michael Moore - documentarian, Capitalism: A Love Story

Sean Penn - actor and journalist

Arianna Huffington - editor-in-chief of The Huffington Post

Andrew Ross Sorkin - New York Times columnist, author of Too Big to Fail

Senator Michael Bennet (D-CO)

John Heilemann - co-author of Game Change

Hill Harper - actor

Amy Holmes - co-host of America's Morning News on the Talk Radio Network

Fmr. Gov. Gary Johnson (R-NM)

Hmm, I see 2 conservatives from that entire list of guests spanning the last month or so. You're being intellectually dishonest. You may not think Bill Maher is an ideologue because you agree with most of what he says. But he is. But like I said before, there isn't anything wrong with it. But let's stop kidding ourselves.

Being either of those things does not make you ideological. Being rigidly attached to political views, especially radical ones makes you ideological. An unwillingness to compromise makes you ideological.

Not true. Being ideological has nothing to do with radical views. One can be completely ideological when it comes to mainstream views, or non-mainstream views. But being radical has nothing to do with it. However, it doesn't suprise me that you think that way.

Yes, that may go a bit far

Yeah, kinda like Ann Coulter right? But he gets a pass from you because you agree with most of what he says. I on the other hand, give both of them free passes, under the banner of free speech, and especially satire and wit.

Science is not the only place that smart people exist.

True. But I don't consider comedians or commentators extremely smart. No matter how good they are. But again, that's just my opinion.

[Guest American Woman]

I don't consider comedians or commentators extremely smart. No matter how good they are. But again, that's just my opinion.

Remind me again. Just what is Sarah Palin? Hmmmmm. Oh yeah ....... she's a commentator for Fox News.