PETA pies Fisheries Minister

[Topaz]

The minister of fisheries, Gail Shea got what only Chretien had experience, a pie in the face. It was also a healthy pie made of tofu and maybe she she had put in some fish. I thought maybe Harper himself would have gotten one, but hey there still time if you want to go to jail afterwards. http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/711385

[eyeball]

Flipper pie?

[Oleg Bach]

Flipper pie?

The members of PETA are hetor-phags and hags. They should get busy having children and raise them in a noble manner making for a better world..instead they are more fixated on the big brown eyes of an infant animal then the big brown eyes of their human lovers. The world has gone to the dogs.

[punked]

Disgraceful. Seriously this is childish, and wrong. Not only do I think their ideas are crazy, but we live in a civil world how about we act like it. Just becuase you don't like someones opinion does not mean you got to do this too them.

[Keepitsimple]

Absolutely disgusting.

[blueblood]

Disgraceful. Seriously this is childish, and wrong. Not only do I think their ideas are crazy, but we live in a civil world how about we act like it. Just becuase you don't like someones opinion does not mean you got to do this too them.

The only thing more disgusting is people take these nutbars seriously and that isn't good for anybody. If we took the advice of PETA, we as a country would be poorer.

[bush_cheney2004]

The only thing more disgusting is people take these nutbars seriously and that isn't good for anybody. If we took the advice of PETA, we as a country would be poorer.

That's for damn sure....PETA should be People Eating Tasty Animals.

[Oleg Bach]

That's for damn sure....PETA should be People Eating Tasty Animals.

Took you a while to come out of the wood work. Now I have to take the old Husky out for a crap..no way would I eat that rotten old disloyal mutt..god - the farts are cancerous..where on the other hand the wifes Jack Russell is a sweety _ I love the way she sits with me when I visit..so muscular..a little hind quarters like an olypic sprinting turkey..the drumsticks would be devine. If worse comes to worse the Jack will go in the sack.

[punked]

HEY look at us all agreeing!!!! Awesome.

[Oleg Bach]

HEY look at us all agreeing!!!! Awesome.

I love and adore all animals. They are within our stewardship and we must be responsible for their care. BUT we are supposed to be superiour and god like in comparison to most of these creatures...If you are going to steal a power boost of protein from a creature - kill it swiftly and without pain. If you can do without animal protein then do your best...but to put a dog above a human being is out of order...If you give human rights to an animal then human rights for humans will deminish...If I am weak and in distress a dog for instance will eventually eat me...where as if the dog is in distress and dying I have the abilty to heal it..which puts me the human in charge - Those PETA types usually spawn from spoiled brats who when asked as young girls..."If you had to choose between your grand parents dying and your horse they choose the horse...PETA members are very disloyal to their own species..family loyalty is very important to ensure survival.

[Guest TrueMetis]

HEY look at us all agreeing!!!! Awesome.

*waits for the world to end.

[Oleg Bach]

*waits for the world to end.

Bad attitude..we should be waiting for the world to begin. Seems all that is good has passed and we need a re-birth. My perception of animals has improved as I aged. Oringinally I was taught in school that animals did not think, that they reacted strickly instinctively..now I know they do think..so killing them is getting harder..I could hunt at one time..I have lost my taste for sport and blood.

[blueblood]

HEY look at us all agreeing!!!! Awesome.

Why wouldn't we on this issue

Right - PETA threatens to take a bite out of the economy

Left - PETA threatens to put more people in the poorhouse and take their jobs away.

But then again PETA has zero credibility, I wonder how much a gazelle suffers when a cheetah eats it alive...

[William Ashley]

The minister of fisheries, Gail Shea got what only Chretien had experience, a pie in the face. It was also a healthy pie made of tofu and maybe she she had put in some fish. I thought maybe Harper himself would have gotten one, but hey there still time if you want to go to jail afterwards. http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/711385

"I’m fine. It’s just unfortunate they have to resort to that type of behaviour to get any publicity"

only one person on trial? they? No he she?

Is someone not able to see someone bring a pie into a meeting and think.. hmmm why do they have a pie at this announcement?

She also took a rather deep breath before the incident.. has me think it was rigged.

Edited January 26, 2010 by William Ashley

[ToadBrother]

Why wouldn't we on this issue

Right - PETA threatens to take a bite out of the economy

Left - PETA threatens to put more people in the poorhouse and take their jobs away.

But then again PETA has zero credibility, I wonder how much a gazelle suffers when a cheetah eats it alive...

I'm not going to approve of unnecessary cruelty (like some guy leaving his horses to starve or some SOB kicking his dog to death), but however laudable PETA's goals originally were, they've been taken over by some pretty rabid (heh heh) nut jobs, as so often happens with these sorts of organizations. I find the pie-in-the-face and the paint-on-the-fur-coat tactics pretty goddamned awful, but if that's all they did, I probably wouldn't be so concerned. But it's some of the nastier activities of the fringe elements in PETA that get downright awful.

However, I'm beginning to change my mind about experimenting on higher primates, in particular Hominidae like chimps and gorillas. They aren't human, but I think we've probably demonstrated a close enough affinity that it does tend to make me wonder. I understand the necessity of animal experiments, but I think at some point we're going to have to ask a pretty big question; how much like us does an animal get before we decide that we can't really justify using them in this way.

[William Ashley]

Why wouldn't we on this issue

Right - PETA threatens to take a bite out of the economy

Left - PETA threatens to put more people in the poorhouse and take their jobs away.

But then again PETA has zero credibility, I wonder how much a gazelle suffers when a cheetah eats it alive...

PETA is a benificial organization, we just need to get a working plan going for responsible descalation. We can't just stop feeding people if we don't develope a plan, we can't develope a plan unless agri industries are on track for it. Of course we should aim to create as little harm as possible, in our interaction with nature, but if one human dies or one animal dies what is the better option, do carnivores not eat other animals? What about omnivores. Are humans not part of nature. If it is a matter of eating a seal or dieing then what does it matter, the seal would eat fish anyway. Are seals suddenly the bad guys if they are the only ones eating fish.. wouldn't we be protecting the fish, and pretty much like peta at that point?

Of course it is a different proportion, none the less I think that support of unneeded murder of animals is a bad thing, but who is to guage need?

Do we have a viable alternative today to ofset animal products? If no, then what can be done to it witout risking human life and well being? Humans are animals too.

Personally I favor a well balanced vegan diet. P ut it on my plate, I'll be happy. nuff said. Are there enough plates to go around is what I am wondering, and why put things to waste. It is about management. It is hard to grow plant based food in a wintery country. There are people with guns at the borders stopping from going to warmer, and likely overpopulated climates.

So what is the answer?

Edited January 26, 2010 by William Ashley

[Argus]

Would it really be so hard to add the names of all the animal rights freaks to our database and not allow them entry into Canada? Groups like this serve no purpose and are invariably criminal in their outlook, since they believe they have some kind of higher calling which goes beyond mere human law.

[Michael Hardner]

They says some pretty extreme and strange-sounding things, but it was only a pie after all. It's strange to me that pie-throwing has become so serious, but I suppose there should be some comfort taken in that.

[ToadBrother]

Would it really be so hard to add the names of all the animal rights freaks to our database and not allow them entry into Canada?

Could you define that a little better? I'm a little uncomfortable with the notion of blocking access to our country based on a rather generalistic and poorly defined notion like "animal rights freak". For instance, would you let Jane Goodall in the country?

Groups like this serve no purpose and are invariably criminal in their outlook, since they believe they have some kind of higher calling which goes beyond mere human law.

Lots of groups believe they have a higher calling which goes beyond human law. I'm all for keeping terrorists and criminals out, but keeping people out because we disagree, that's something else entirely.

You've got quite the authoritarian bent there.

[blueblood]

I'm not going to approve of unnecessary cruelty (like some guy leaving his horses to starve or some SOB kicking his dog to death), but however laudable PETA's goals originally were, they've been taken over by some pretty rabid (heh heh) nut jobs, as so often happens with these sorts of organizations. I find the pie-in-the-face and the paint-on-the-fur-coat tactics pretty goddamned awful, but if that's all they did, I probably wouldn't be so concerned. But it's some of the nastier activities of the fringe elements in PETA that get downright awful.

It doesn't pay in the meat industry to be cruel to animals either. The carcass is of lesser quality, and the people that are cruel tarnish the industry for everyone else. It's the going after the Calgary Stampede and going after people who make their careers in the meat industry feeding people that I don't approve of.

It's not the tactics I'm concerned about, it's the fact that in spite of these tactics more and more people are persuaded into believing the PETA propaganda and that makes the meat industry a bigger gong show than it already is.

However, I'm beginning to change my mind about experimenting on higher primates, in particular Hominidae like chimps and gorillas. They aren't human, but I think we've probably demonstrated a close enough affinity that it does tend to make me wonder. I understand the necessity of animal experiments, but I think at some point we're going to have to ask a pretty big question; how much like us does an animal get before we decide that we can't really justify using them in this way.

We do experiments on people as well, granted they give consent. However, some experiments conducted on primates are of benefit to us as far as the medical field goes. Unfortunately a human life is worth more than a monkey's life. It's the lesser of two evils.

[daniel]

Gail Shea wouldn't have been pied if she were sitting in Parliament.

[ToadBrother]

We do experiments on people as well, granted they give consent. However, some experiments conducted on primates are of benefit to us as far as the medical field goes. Unfortunately a human life is worth more than a monkey's life. It's the lesser of two evils.

I'm not talking about monkeys here. I'm talking about Hominidae; the apes, of which we are a member. Our understanding of their cognitive abilities has reached a point where a lot of ethicists are asking the big question; "how much like us does an animal have to be before we extend at least some limited notion of rights?" The evidence of linguistic capacity, general reasoning and cognition, emotional capacity and ability to measure the world has grown enough that for the other great apes, can we justify experimentation? Is it indeed a choice of lesser evils?

[dlkenny]

The minister of fisheries, Gail Shea got what only Chretien had experience, a pie in the face. It was also a healthy pie made of tofu and maybe she she had put in some fish. I thought maybe Harper himself would have gotten one, but hey there still time if you want to go to jail afterwards. http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/711385

What bugs me about this whole issue is that if the seals were raised on a farm and killed indoors like cows or pigs, and kept out of sight then we would hear virtually nothing about it. I know PETA stands against this too but you don't see them in the face of farmers and ranchers like they are the sealers. The whole thing is overblown.

[ToadBrother]

What bugs me about this whole issue is that if the seals were raised on a farm and killed indoors like cows or pigs, and kept out of sight then we would hear virtually nothing about it. I know PETA stands against this too but you don't see them in the face of farmers and ranchers like they are the sealers. The whole thing is overblown.

It all boils down to the "Bambi factor". If an animal is kwute and kwuddwy, people get all up in arms that some hunter is killing it. If it's an plain animal like a cow or an ugly animal like a rat, nobody really gives it that much thought.

Well, to be fair, the extremist animal activists don't want us even eating meat, and I've met one who even thought keeping pets was evil (I can't see why, my dog has a life that a wolf could only dream of). But in general, peoples anger can be measured on that scale. I come from a long line of hunters, and while I'm not really interested in it myself any more, I have nothing against people killing the odd deer (if they get into my garden this year, I may suddenly become a bit more motivated to fill my freezer, mind you). I certainly don't hold it against seal hunters, it's not as if seals are endangered, and the methods of dispatching them aren't that much worse than how I've seen cows, chickens or pigs killed (but again, these ugly animals, so only the real zealots shout about that).

The problem, to my mind, is that our society is so heavily urbanized now that there's little thought put to where food comes from. People go and buy steak or chicken thighs without pausing to realize that the animal this came from is the product of at least 10,000 years of intensive breeding for the sole purpose of ending up on someone's dinner plate. Farms are quaint little places they see on picturesque TV shows. I think people get offended when they discover that working farms are not the same as English rural TV shows filled with eccentric and amusing characters.

At any rate, I like my steak, and if I had more time, I'd probably clear off a chunk of my own damned land and raise a few head of cattle. At the very least I'm thinking of raising chickens this year. And yes, some will die, by my vile carnivorous hand!

[fellowtraveller]

If God didn't want me to eat meat, why did He make it taste so good?