2010 is Going to be Harpers year!

[nicky10013]

Why would he prorogue in the middle of a session, 50 seconds into the day just before the oppositions first day of the session?

When the house opened debate for the day, it makes perfect sensed. It would be the first announcement in Parliament. It's not like he didn't have the ability to make the same speech in the next session. Parliament resumed and sat until the election at the end of the year.

[Oleg Bach]

Why would he prorogue in the middle of a session, 50 seconds into the day just before the oppositions first day of the session?

The powerful conservatives at that time use to refere to Trudeau as "The Shark" - He was out to destroy everything anglo rich and conservative...You can thank him for gay marriage..never trust a prime minister that actually had a penis in his mouth or had some pop start screw his wife while she's jacked up on coke...besides..He was an ugly sob...shook his hand once and it felt as cold as ice.

[DrGreenthumb]

I don't know what conservative movement your posting about, but certainly isn't the one that i have been following.

Oh you don't support the party whose leader is a member of the Christian fundamentalist "missionary alliance" church? You don't follow the Minister of science Gary Goodyear, an admitted creationist, who thinks evolutionary theory is against his religion and that God "created" the earth 6000 years ago? That believes we are all descendants of Adam and Eve? (one whom god created from dust, and the other from the rib of the first? I'd love to ask one of these goofs on-camera if they think homosexuals will be punished by God with an eternity in hell. That is a question Harper would probably prorogue parliament to avoid answering.

[Alta4ever]

Oh you don't support the party whose leader is a member of the Christian fundamentalist "missionary alliance" church? You don't follow the Minister of science Gary Goodyear, an admitted creationist, who thinks evolutionary theory is against his religion and that God "created" the earth 6000 years ago? That believes we are all descendants of Adam and Eve? (one whom god created from dust, and the other from the rib of the first? I'd love to ask one of these goofs on-camera if they think homosexuals will be punished by God with an eternity in hell. That is a question Harper would probably prorogue parliament to avoid answering.

nope I vote for the conservative party of the conservative policy manual.

[msdogfood]

Lots of praise for someone who just booked off for the 1st quarter of 2010.

I hope not!

[William Ashley]

Canada belongs to Nato meaning we could be deployed anywhere in the world, yes including the desert like we are now right? Afghanistan is mountainous /desert terrain you must have see news clips on tv??

If the Dashti Margo and Registan Deserts only exist in Helmand, Kandahar and Nimruz regions in Afghanistan why was an unequiped military put in a position it wasn't equiped for. Isn't that irresponsibility on the part of NATO? Why not put them in a non desert environment that they were equiped for?

If they are underfunded and underequiped why not put them in one of the other 31 administrative regions of Afghanistan without desert, rather than baiting the Canadians for military expenses that serve next to no domestic security interest. Or is the Kandahar thing just set up cause Kanda sounds a bit like Canada.

You'd think NATO would send soilders equiped to a war.

Edited January 7, 2010 by William Ashley

[nicky10013]

nope I vote for the conservative party of the conservative policy manual.

Ummmm, not to embarass you but he was actually talking about the CPC.

[Alta4ever]

Ummmm, not to embarass you but he was actually talking about the CPC.

And yet they govern from the conservative policy book listed on their website. The same one I have repeated told you to go read so you can see what grassroots policy looks like.

[wulf42]

If the Dashti Margo and Registan Deserts only exist in Helmand, Kandahar and Nimruz regions in Afghanistan why was an unequiped military put in a position it wasn't equiped for. Isn't that irresponsibility on the part of NATO? Why not put them in a non desert environment that they were equiped for?

If they are underfunded and underequiped why not put them in one of the other 31 administrative regions of Afghanistan without desert, rather than baiting the Canadians for military expenses that serve next to no domestic security interest. Or is the Kandahar thing just set up cause Kanda sounds a bit like Canada.

You'd think NATO would send soilders equiped to a war.

Ask the Liberals they sent them there that way....Its only since Harper has been in they are slowly getting better equiped for the mission.

Edited January 7, 2010 by wulf42

[wulf42]

Don't let these Conservative wing-nuts corrupt you. They won't be happy till you are all goose stepping your way to school,

The Nazi comparison thing is getting really old...

Edited January 7, 2010 by wulf42

[wulf42]

Hell its not like they follow the rules of war anyway.

Oh you mean like Al Qaeda and the Taliban throwing acid in little girls faces.......oh yes they are much better than Nato aren t they??

[wulf42]

Ok, what does deployment have to do with camaflouge? Hell the US and Aussies wore street clothes in Afghanistan for their illegal operations. Why not just let them buy their own clothes. Hell its not like they follow the rules of war anyway.

Its not like they are invisible driving that vehicle into the IED in uniform.

Harder for cleanup when their splatered body parts can't be found in the desert?

Look at death rates since they got their new desert uniforms, now they likely look like the rest of NATO and are more likely to be killed. Geuss what THEY WENT UP SINCE THE NEW UNIFORMS.

Your support for the Taliban is sickening.....the left has reached new lows and you wonder why Harper is gaining support??

[eyeball]

The Nazi comparison thing is getting really old...

No kidding, its just as gay as that lefty = Taliban thing.

[madmax]

Oh you mean like Al Qaeda and the Taliban throwing acid in little girls faces.......oh yes they are much better than Nato aren t they??

Acid in Little girls faces and womens faces is a horrific practice used by men in tthose cultures, and not exclusive to the Taliban. I have little reason to believe that Al Qaeda use that practice as it is not common in indonesia, yemen, saudi arabia, etc. as far as I know. It is known to happen in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kashmir, India.

The comments going back and for are rediculous from Nazi Comparisons to over the top hyperboyle of those our troops are engaged with.

The problem lies with the culture of the country and our troops aren't going to change that, and certainly we don't expect to be there 100 or 1000 years for it to happen.

Meanwhile, I think Harper has just taken 2 steps back

[wulf42]

Acid in Little girls faces and womens faces is a horrific practice used by men in tthose cultures, and not exclusive to the Taliban. I have little reason to believe that Al Qaeda use that practice

No Al Qaeda just likes to make videos of people being slowly beheaded and post them on the internet......yeah they are much better.

[wulf42]

Many people miss the point of Afghanistan,it is and will always be a never ending battle BUT what the mission in Afghanistan is doing is keeping Al Qaeda from being able to use Afghanistan as a training base to plan and excute attacks here in North America. By bringing the war to them instead of them bringing it to our shores it helps to make us more secure otherwise you will have many more 9/11 style attacks.People who say this war is about money or greed are simply stupid, it is costing Canada millions but the price of freedom comes at a price always did always will.

Edited January 7, 2010 by wulf42

[ToadBrother]

Many people miss the point of Afghanistan,it is and will always be a never ending battle BUT what the mission in Afghanistan is doing is keeping Al Qaeda from being able to use Afghanistan as a training base to plan and excute attacks here in North America. By bringing the war to them instead of them bringing it to our shores it helps to make us more secure otherwise you will have many more 9/11 style attacks.People who say this war is about money or greed are simply stupid, it is costing Canada millions but the price of freedom comes at a price always did always will.

Which is rather irrelevant to the Tories stonewalling and ultimately shutting Parliament down so they don't have to deliver the unredacted documents which they are constitutionally bound to deliver to Parliament. Maybe there's nothing of any particular note in those documents. Maybe the whole issue is a figment of the Opposition's imagination. But what isn't a figment of anybody's imagination is the utter affront to Parliamentary democracy that Harper has shown over the last twelve or thirteen months.

Edited January 7, 2010 by ToadBrother

[nicky10013]

Many people miss the point of Afghanistan,it is and will always be a never ending battle BUT what the mission in Afghanistan is doing is keeping Al Qaeda from being able to use Afghanistan as a training base to plan and excute attacks here in North America. By bringing the war to them instead of them bringing it to our shores it helps to make us more secure otherwise you will have many more 9/11 style attacks.People who say this war is about money or greed are simply stupid, it is costing Canada millions but the price of freedom comes at a price always did always will.

The age of 9/11 type attacks have come and gone. Al Qaeda's profile for attacks is much smaller. Subways, buses etc. etc. 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack as much as it was a recruiting campaign. They baited the US into invading Afghanistan. The more smart bombs the US drops, the more legitimacy is given to Al Qaeda to the people who have suffered in this conflict. We may think a noble activity of being over there but in the end it isn't about what we think of the mission doesn't matter. It's what the Afghans think. More civilian casualties and destruction simply causes more radicalism.

In the end, Al Qaeda isn't a state actor. We take away Afghanistan and they go to Pakistan. We bomb Pakistan and they move to Yemen or Oman. This isn't over until the west invades the entire middle east and even then they can move to places in the Balkans and Russia where muslim populations are poor and radicalized. The way forward against terrorism isn't with bombs and troops. It's with better security policies at our airport and more trade. The largest weapon against fundamentalist is wealth and we can't create it while destroying it.

[wulf42]

The age of 9/11 type attacks have come and gone. Al Qaeda's profile for attacks is much smaller. Subways, buses etc. etc. 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack as much as it was a recruiting campaign. They baited the US into invading Afghanistan. The more smart bombs the US drops, the more legitimacy is given to Al Qaeda to the people who have suffered in this conflict. We may think a noble activity of being over there but in the end it isn't about what we think of the mission doesn't matter. It's what the Afghans think. More civilian casualties and destruction simply causes more radicalism.

In the end, Al Qaeda isn't a state actor. We take away Afghanistan and they go to Pakistan. We bomb Pakistan and they move to Yemen or Oman. This isn't over until the west invades the entire middle east and even then they can move to places in the Balkans and Russia where muslim populations are poor and radicalized. The way forward against terrorism isn't with bombs and troops. It's with better security policies at our airport and more trade. The largest weapon against fundamentalist is wealth and we can't create it while destroying it.

If you think 9/11 style attacks have come and gone you are mistaken....Al Qaeda would explode a Nuke in the center of NYC if they could and they will always keep trying....this is a war of Culture's and who has the stronger will, as far as invading the entire middle east goes that will depend on what happens next! that is a real possibilty.The real danger eludes many, if Al Qaeda is allowed to set up training bases in places like Afghanistan it will be only a matter of time before they do something really dangerous such as explode a Nuke in Moscow! Can you imagine the Russians response to that?? the Middle east will become glass or worse suspect the USA of an attack and a full Nuclear exchange begins before anybody evens knows what the hell happened.Keeping Al Qaeda under constant attack is the only way to destroy them even the Pakistani's have turned on them. Read the following article it shows how some scenario's may lead to an all out Nuclear exchange...... (note scenario #6) Scary indeed!

http://www.carolmoore.net/nuclearwar/alternatescenarios.html

Edited January 7, 2010 by wulf42

[nicky10013]

If you think 9/11 style attacks have come and gone you are mistaken....Al Qaeda would explode a Nuke in the center of NYC if they could and they will always keep trying....this is a war of Culture's and who has the stronger will, as far as invading the entire middle east goes that will depend on what happens next! that is a real possibilty.The real danger eludes many, if Al Qaeda is allowed to set up training bases in places like Afghanistan it will be only a matter of time before they do something really dangerous such as explode a Nuke in Moscow! Can you imagine the Russians response to that?? the Middle east will become glass or worse suspect the USA of an attack and a full Nuclear exchange begins before anybody evens knows what the hell happened.Keeping Al Qaeda under constant attack is the only way to destroy them even the Pakistani's have turned on them. Read the following article it shows how some scenario's may lead to an all out Nuclear exchange...... (note scenario #6) Scary indeed!

http://www.carolmoore.net/nuclearwar/alternatescenarios.html

Despite what Samuel Huntington argues this isn`t a clash of civilization, a war between cultures. Islam isn`t the enemy, the fundamentalists are. People in the middle east want peace and prosperity just as much as we do. AS I said, provide wealth and create a middle class in these countries.

The time of 9/11s is over because they've done enough to spook the hell out of the American Public. As we've seen over the past two weeks, all it takes is a failed attempt for everyone to go nuts. Bin Laden did one thing right by targeting the most over reacting country on the planet. The way the Americans need to go about this threat is the way the British did in the 70s which is remain calm. The terrorists win when we lose our shit and do retarded things like refuse people the right to get out of their seat during the last hour of flight.

Benjamin Franklin once said that a society that degrades liberty for security deserves neither. Too bad nobody has heard that lately.

[bush_cheney2004]

.... The way the Americans need to go about this threat is the way the British did in the 70s which is remain calm. The terrorists win when we lose our shit and do retarded things like refuse people the right to get out of their seat during the last hour of flight.

OK...I'll let President Obama know about this magic bullet for stemming the threat. As for antsy people in airliner seats, they were a nuisance long before 9/11.

Benjamin Franklin once said that a society that degrades liberty for security deserves neither. Too bad nobody has heard that lately.

Franklin penned that thought just before supporting a war that did both....against your monarchy.

Edited January 7, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[ToadBrother]

Franklin penned that thought just before supporting a war that did both....against your monarchy.

Well, the Revolutionary War, in the short term, did not deliver security. Quite the opposite, in fact. That was rather the point of Franklin's famous statement, that there are times when Liberty's need requires the sacrifice of personal safety.

[madmax]

Many people miss the point of Afghanistan,it is and will always be a never ending battle BUT what the mission in Afghanistan is doing is keeping Al Qaeda from being able to use Afghanistan as a training base to plan and excute attacks here in North America.

I am not certain if you are delusional or have no understanding of security and covert actions. Your rah rah combined with non sensical cheerleading are nothing more then useless slogans and bafflegab.

Luckily things are left to professionals and only some wingnuts and clueless politicians run around repeating cheerleading slogans while successful conventional conventional actions are few and far between, and goodworks in security and infrastructure projects are overlooked.

I know what would happen to you if you were bunked with me and you didn't shut up.

[bush_cheney2004]

Well, the Revolutionary War, in the short term, did not deliver security. Quite the opposite, in fact. That was rather the point of Franklin's famous statement, that there are times when Liberty's need requires the sacrifice of personal safety.

But it did in the long term...which was the larger point of the whole affair. Context matters.

[ToadBrother]

But it did in the long term...which was the larger point of the whole affair. Context matters.

Well, in the long term, yes, because in the long term, temporary safety is just that, temporary.