2010 is Going to be Harpers year!

[bush_cheney2004]

Well, in the long term, yes, because in the long term, temporary safety is just that, temporary.

Which is fine, because that's all it needs to be. Those who quote Ben Franklin often do so out of context and practical application for private or public governance.

[nicky10013]

Which is fine, because that's all it needs to be. Those who quote Ben Franklin often do so out of context and practical application for private or public governance.

The practical application of governance in democracies doesn't include restricting personal liberties guaranteed by any constitution. If you want to limit those liberties to increase security that's fine but it means becoming nothing more than a glorified police state.

[bush_cheney2004]

The practical application of governance in democracies doesn't include restricting personal liberties guaranteed by any constitution. If you want to limit those liberties to increase security that's fine but it means becoming nothing more than a glorified police state.

Who are you kidding? Canada's Constitution Act contains built in provisions to do just that...restrict liberties when deemed necessary:

...subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law

You wouldn't have like WW2 limits to "personal liberties" very much...LOL!

[nicky10013]

Who are you kidding? Canada's Constitution Act contains built in provisions to do just that...restrict liberties when deemed necessary:

...subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law

You wouldn't have like WW2 limits to "personal liberties" very much...LOL!

I don't. It was one of Canada's worst moments as a nation. As for the Reasonable limits clause, it isn't there to take people's rights away. It isn't there to take away people's ability to vote, or protest without government interference which is by all accounts the yard stick by which we measure democracy. It's mainly for procedural things like court cases not starting up on time. Not because there's some horrible attempt to railroad defendants but because sometimes the system just gets backed up. Whereas in other nations the guy might get out on a technicality, it might not happen here. The reasonable limits clause from my understanding is rarely used to begin with, is ruled on from by discretion from the judge with no mandate set from the government and can be appealed.

Edited January 7, 2010 by nicky10013

[bush_cheney2004]

..... The reasonable limits clause from my understanding is rarely used to begin with, is ruled on from by discretion from the judge with no mandate set from the government and can be appealed.

The point is that the mechanism exists and is built into the Canadian Constitution....this after the citizen and resident alien internment experiences of WW2. So it is fun to speak in terms of absolutes that have never existed for "liberties", but the reality is quite different, and very much subject to circumstances and context. See "October Crisis".

[Oleg Bach]

No Al Qaeda just likes to make videos of people being slowly beheaded and post them on the internet......yeah they are much better.

That was horrific and still haunts me. I have regrets that my curiousity led me to view that poor brave man that never begged for mercy once. But again the videos of hobbling bent men being led around like dogs at the prison camp in Cuba also bother me. This is still the great shame of America and history will never forget how the barbarians dragged the American corporate elite to their knees in fearful depravity. There are no winners here..none of this should have happened - hate -fear and loathing brought this all about ...Just wish that the west had not sucumbed to the terror - I wish they had been brave and not debased to the level of some eastern hooligans parroting the words of some long lost prophet...who has been as misconstrude as Jesus Christ himself.

[wulf42]

I know what would happen to you if you were bunked with me and you didn't shut up.

I'm thinking this should be reported!

Edited January 8, 2010 by wulf42

[wulf42]

I am not certain if you are delusional or have no understanding of security and covert actions. Your rah rah combined with non sensical cheerleading are nothing more then useless slogans and bafflegab.

Luckily things are left to professionals and only some wingnuts and clueless politicians run around repeating cheerleading slogans while successful conventional conventional actions are few and far between, and goodworks in security and infrastructure projects are overlooked.

I know what would happen to you if you were bunked with me and you didn't shut up.

oh the old resorting to name calling when someone has a different opinion than you i see whatever ..i guess its time to leave this forum since this nonsense seems to continue,i have decided this not to bother getting caught up in the personal attacks this year ...the whole reason Afghanistan was invaded was because of the Taliban was providing training bases for Al Qaeda..you do know that right??

Edited January 8, 2010 by wulf42

[Shakeyhands]

i guess its time to leave this forum since this nonsense seems to continue,

You're leaving? ok.

[DrGreenthumb]

You're leaving? ok.

I don't know what I will do to fill up the hole he will leave in my heart, lol.

[Sir Bandelot]

Now now boys, can't we all just get along?

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[Jerry J. Fortin]

Now now boys, can't we all just get along?

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Harper.....space baby!

[ToadBrother]

oh the old resorting to name calling when someone has a different opinion than you i see whatever ..i guess its time to leave this forum since this nonsense seems to continue,i have decided this not to bother getting caught up in the personal attacks this year ...the whole reason Afghanistan was invaded was because of the Taliban was providing training bases for Al Qaeda..you do know that right??

Good grief. Your hypocrisy is dripping like used motor oil.

[nicky10013]

You're leaving? ok.

Bluff called.