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In this article Move your moneyfrom the Huffington Post the left has finally come full circle. Or has it really?

I find myself to be in agreement with the general drift of the article and in doing so find myself on the left wing. Who would have thought I would start the year off like that! :blink:

I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.

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Oh, great. Economic policy-making based on old Hollywood movies. (As much as I like It's a Wonderful Life, there's more to American history than what Frank Capra put into that movie.)

The US has a long, long history of being suspicious of big banks. The monetary history of the US is unlike few other countries. Canada's monetary history, for example, stands in utter contrast to America's.

Americans would never tolerate the concentration of banking power most Canadians take for granted. But then, Canadians have typically looked on in bemusement while America's banking system has suffered numerous collapses and crises.

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Oh, great. Economic policy-making based on old Hollywood movies. (As much as I like It's a Wonderful Life, there's more to American history than what Frank Capra put into that movie.)

The Huffington post seems to think Hollywood policy is a great idea!

The US has a long, long history of being suspicious of big banks. The monetary history of the US is unlike few other countries. Canada's monetary history, for example, stands in utter contrast to America's.

No argument there. When did we take over from the Bank of England?

Americans would never tolerate the concentration of banking power most Canadians take for granted. But then, Canadians have typically looked on in bemusement while America's banking system has suffered numerous collapses and crises.

The American banking system is far more open than the Canadian banking system.

Small banks can exist in America and some of them have failed. That is true. Ours are all big. We do have credit unions and trusts. We haven't had any banking crises and few failures. But when you only have five or six instead of several thousand chances are failures and crises will be less numerous.

There are reason's for bank failures and it is usually related tobanks overextending themselves. The central bank was created to allow banks to continue to everextend themselves without suffering any of the consequences that might occur. In other words the reason banks fail was never addressed but the idea was to rescue them after the fact so that banks could continue to make heaps of money with other people's money and not just be warehouses for people's wealth.

I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.

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The US dollar is in trouble and I keep hearing people saying on business programs that OPEC for one, is on the edge of refusing the US$$ as legal tender and that more countries will probably falling in line in the near future. The reasons are the very high debt loan the US has and any country doing business with the US is getting nervous, especially with the global down turn of late.

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The US has a long, long history of being suspicious of big banks. The monetary history of the US is unlike few other countries. Canada's monetary history, for example, stands in utter contrast to America's.

Yes they have been, in fact it was the prime reason why they fought the American Revolution

"The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George the III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War."- Thomas Jefferson

But to bad they gave the power back to the International bankers when the Federal Reserve was created.

"A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men ... We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men." - Woodrow Wilson (after signing the Federal Reserve Act)

Americans would never tolerate the concentration of banking power most Canadians take for granted. But then, Canadians have typically looked on in bemusement while America's banking system has suffered numerous collapses and crises.

Yes they would and yes they do. The Federal Reserve is America's central bank. It is a private corporation.

There are reason's for bank failures and it is usually related tobanks overextending themselves. The central bank was created to allow banks to continue to everextend themselves without suffering any of the consequences that might occur. In other words the reason banks fail was never addressed but the idea was to rescue them after the fact so that banks could continue to make heaps of money with other people's money and not just be warehouses for people's wealth.

I can tell you the reason for bank failures and this coming depression, the Federal Reserve and other international bankers.

We gave them the power to regulate and issue our currencies.

"Under the Federal Reserve Act, panics are scientifically created. The present panic(1919) is the first scientifically created one, worked out as we figure a mathematical equation." –Charles Lindbergh

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."- Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)

What else do you need to know?

Nations and its citizens are enslaved to a system of debt/credit controlled in private hands.

It really is time for a new revolution, we could end their monopoly and start working on solving REAL problems like ending poverty and cleaning up this planet from the all the pollution we caused. It's just a thought.

No time is better, we are about to head into the greatest depression yet and a lot of people will suffer. (don't believe me? research economists who predicted the crash and listen to what they are saying now.)

"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." — Henry Ford

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It really is time for a new revolution, we could end their monopoly and start working on solving REAL problems like ending poverty and cleaning up this planet from the all the pollution we caused. It's just a thought.

What would be truly revolutionary is if we could turn the restoration of the world's capacity to produce natural capital into an actual business. The next step would be to base the world's currencies on that natural capital - something real in other words instead of the shiny quality of certain metals or pie in the sky paper assets.

No time is better, we are about to head into the greatest depression yet and a lot of people will suffer. (don't believe me? research economists who predicted the crash and listen to what they are saying now.)

"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." — Henry Ford

Bring it on.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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What would be truly revolutionary is if we could turn the restoration of the world's capacity to produce natural capital into an actual business. The next step would be to base the world's currencies on that natural capital - something real in other words instead of the shiny quality of certain metals or pie in the sky paper assets.

Bring it on.

I think that would be better then the system we have now, but I still think we can take it one step further and do away with money all together. We have the technology like computers, robots, and internet to do away with nearly all jobs on this planet, we just aren't utilizing this technology to benefit all of mankind, its more or less about greed and profit right now. Through time even advanced medical procedures can be accomplished by robots, what seems impossible now would be come common ground in the future.

It really is a choice for us to make, too bad more people care about who the next American Idle will be and who Tiger Woods slept with then actual problems in society.

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...It really is a choice for us to make, too bad more people care about who the next American Idle will be and who Tiger Woods slept with then actual problems in society.

Yes...I wonder why so many non-Americans worry about such things.

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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Its a choice we all have to make.

Not just America, Canada to.

"You must be the change you want to see in the world."- Mahatma Gandhi

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I think that would be better then the system we have now, but I still think we can take it one step further and do away with money all together. We have the technology like computers, robots, and internet to do away with nearly all jobs on this planet, we just aren't utilizing this technology to benefit all of mankind, its more or less about greed and profit right now.

How do you think that humans will be replaced as elements of production, if not through greed and profit ? As I have been saying, this is another example of your posts display an admirable sentiment that breaks down when reality creeps in.

...too bad more people care about who the next American Idle will be

:lol:

Would millions of American Idle sit on their couches to vote on another Idle American ? A great idea for a comedy sketch, if not a reality show.

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I think that would be better then the system we have now, but I still think we can take it one step further and do away with money all together. We have the technology like computers, robots, and internet to do away with nearly all jobs on this planet, we just aren't utilizing this technology to benefit all of mankind, its more or less about greed and profit right now. Through time even advanced medical procedures can be accomplished by robots, what seems impossible now would be come common ground in the future.

It really is a choice for us to make, too bad more people care about who the next American Idle will be and who Tiger Woods slept with then actual problems in society.

Even if we did have the technology to allow us to all become American Idles, we will probably never be free of the moral imperatives of society's betters that the low people must be given something to do to earn their keep.

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A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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How do you think that humans will be replaced as elements of production, if not through greed and profit ? As I have been saying, this is another example of your posts display an admirable sentiment that breaks down when reality creeps in.

Why do you think it is a necessity to have money for society to function, that is a farce.

There is this thing called love, we could try and see how that works out, I don't think we could mess up the world more then we have already.

We could start advancing our technology to benefit all of us(humanity as a whole).

Look how many jobs are in the banking/financial sector, how many cashiers, sales people and other mindless jobs that we could do away with just by eliminating money.

What jobs do you think we can't replace by technology?

Just like your bodies cells work together to create you, humans must work together to create humanity.

Love is our evolution.

"The day of individual happiness has passed." - Adolf Hitler

The problems going on in our heads are a reflection of the problems going on in society, I can't stress that enough, we have to realize that.

We must fix the problems in society

We haven't even solved poverty yet, this is why greed and profit must go.

And yes the system is corrupt, the ruling class does not want these problems fixed for it would be harder for them to control the population, they need us to be dependent on the system they created. They induce fear into us on a daily bases threw mainstream media propaganda and in doing so we look to the government to protect us.

We give up more and more of our liberties to them so they can protect us.

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Even if we did have the technology to allow us to all become American Idles, we will probably never be free of the moral imperatives of society's betters that the low people must be given something to do to earn their keep.

We can be free from many of moral imperatives of society if we come to the realization that the moral imperatives of society are a symptom of society itself. We must cure the disease before the symptoms go away.

We are on the verge of possibly starting WW3 in the middle east but nobody even seems to care, we turn a blind eye to these problems, why?

I don't get it.

If it was terrorists that attacked America on 9/11, it was because of Americas stupid foreign policy not because they hate freedom and liberty, how do people believe this garbage they tell us?

But I can't be too surprised, they have convinced billions of people that there is a man in the sky that is watching everything we do.

"But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice.

All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true in itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying." — Adolf Hitler

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Why do you think it is a necessity to have money for society to function, that is a farce.

OK..please send me all yours right away...tens and twenties please.

There is this thing called love, we could try and see how that works out, I don't think we could mess up the world more then we have already.

Oh yea? Wanna bet?

We could start advancing our technology to benefit all of us(humanity as a whole).

We do.....more humans benefit from technology than ever before.

Look how many jobs are in the banking/financial sector, how many cashiers, sales people and other mindless jobs that we could do away with just by eliminating money.

Then who would build and service the ATMs ?

What jobs do you think we can't replace by technology?

Plumbers...yea definitely plumbers...with big fat hairy ass cracks!

Just like your bodies cells work together to create you, humans must work together to create humanity.

Love is our evolution.

Your body's cells can also kill you.

"The day of individual happiness has passed." - Adolf Hitler

Godwin's Law is alive and well.

The problems going on in our heads are a reflection of the problems going on in society, I can't stress that enough, we have to realize that.

We must fix the problems in society

We haven't even solved poverty yet, this is why greed and profit must go.

Oh great...then we all can live in "poverty"...brilliant idea.

And yes the system is corrupt, the ruling class does not want these problems fixed for it would be harder for them to control the population, they need us to be dependent on the system they created. They induce fear into us on a daily bases threw mainstream media propaganda and in doing so we look to the government to protect us.

We give up more and more of our liberties to them so they can protect us.

OK...but we also get more HD channels on cable or satellite...a fair trade if you ask me.

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Another American idol for your alter of worship?

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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Because of the unsuccessful terrorist attack on Christmas, alegedly orchestrated by Al Qaeda.

Airports are now installing scanners around the world.

On a daily bases we loose more and more of our freedoms/liberties and rights.

Why does nobody care, wars have fought over this kind of stuff.'

This was an unsuccessful terrorist attack, imagine what will happen if a successful terrorist attack happens, what if it is 9/11 magnitude or worse? Martial law?

"Terrorists" aren't here because they hate our freedoms and liberties, it is because of stupid foreign policies of countries...

We need to take a step back and look at what is happening around the world.

We are on the verge of a depression and we are starting more and more wars, these aren't good times.

We should be pissed off right now, governments are undermining their citizens on a daily bases.

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Why do you think it is a necessity to have money for society to function, that is a farce.

There is this thing called love, we could try and see how that works out, I don't think we could mess up the world more then we have already.

We could start advancing our technology to benefit all of us(humanity as a whole).

Look how many jobs are in the banking/financial sector, how many cashiers, sales people and other mindless jobs that we could do away with just by eliminating money.

What jobs do you think we can't replace by technology?

Just like your bodies cells work together to create you, humans must work together to create humanity.

Love is our evolution.

"The day of individual happiness has passed." - Adolf Hitler

The problems going on in our heads are a reflection of the problems going on in society, I can't stress that enough, we have to realize that.

We must fix the problems in society

We haven't even solved poverty yet, this is why greed and profit must go.

And yes the system is corrupt, the ruling class does not want these problems fixed for it would be harder for them to control the population, they need us to be dependent on the system they created. They induce fear into us on a daily bases threw mainstream media propaganda and in doing so we look to the government to protect us.

We give up more and more of our liberties to them so they can protect us.

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

We can be free from many of moral imperatives of society if we come to the realization that the moral imperatives of society are a symptom of society itself. We must cure the disease before the symptoms go away.

We are on the verge of possibly starting WW3 in the middle east but nobody even seems to care, we turn a blind eye to these problems, why?

I don't get it.

If it was terrorists that attacked America on 9/11, it was because of Americas stupid foreign policy not because they hate freedom and liberty, how do people believe this garbage they tell us?

But I can't be too surprised, they have convinced billions of people that there is a man in the sky that is watching everything we do.

"But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice.

All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true in itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying." — Adolf Hitler

Again, your posts are best when they're in the domain of sonnets, sentiment and such.

I'm not sure about your quotes of Hitler though.

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Because of the unsuccessful terrorist attack on Christmas, alegedly orchestrated by Al Qaeda.

Airports are now installing scanners around the world.

On a daily bases we loose more and more of our freedoms/liberties and rights.

Why does nobody care, wars have fought over this kind of stuff.'

This was an unsuccessful terrorist attack, imagine what will happen if a successful terrorist attack happens, what if it is 9/11 magnitude or worse? Martial law?

"Terrorists" aren't here because they hate our freedoms and liberties, it is because of stupid foreign policies of countries...

We need to take a step back and look at what is happening around the world.

We are on the verge of a depression and we are starting more and more wars, these aren't good times.

We should be pissed off right now, governments are undermining their citizens on a daily bases.

You're putting martial law on the same level as having to walk through a scanner, and that's why this "loss of liberties" lament starts to wear on the objective reader.

Personally, I want the freedom to board a plane knowing that I will likely make it to my destination.

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Because of the unsuccessful terrorist attack on Christmas, alegedly orchestrated by Al Qaeda.

Airports are now installing scanners around the world.

On a daily bases we loose more and more of our freedoms/liberties and rights.

Why does nobody care, wars have fought over this kind of stuff.'

Because we all thought such scanners were really cool in Total Recall. They have been around for some time...no big deal.

This was an unsuccessful terrorist attack, imagine what will happen if a successful terrorist attack happens, what if it is 9/11 magnitude or worse? Martial law?

Do you live in Detroit? Nope....I remember the '68 riots...now that was party! :lol:

"Terrorists" aren't here because they hate our freedoms and liberties, it is because of stupid foreign policies of countries...

We need to take a step back and look at what is happening around the world.

We are on the verge of a depression and we are starting more and more wars, these aren't good times.

We should be pissed off right now, governments are undermining their citizens on a daily bases.

Maybe "we" don't care. You need to work on the prevailing apathy. Start with Toronto.

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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You're putting martial law on the same level as having to walk through a scanner, and that's why this "loss of liberties" lament starts to wear on the objective reader.

K, maybe martial law is a little extreme, but seriously, I hate to sound like the bringing of doom constantly but eventually there will be a successful terrorist attack in the states, you can't start wars in all these countries and not expect some people who maybe lost a family member or entire family to not get mad.

And what freedom will the government take away from us to protect us?

Personally, I want the freedom to board a plane knowing that I will likely make it to my destination.

I would like that to.

But the reason people hate america is because of their foreign policy not because they hate their freedom and liberties, that is a ridiculous thing to say.Why do people believe this, wait I know, because it was on TV, the TV never lies.

We need to understand what the "terrorists" motivations are. It is because "we" are starting wars over there, we would be pissed off if they started a war here.

Maybe "we" don't care. You need to work on the prevailing apathy. Start with Toronto.

Anyone with a moral soul should care.

It's all going to start in the States, this is why I constantly talk about them.

Man, believe this depression will be bad, you'll see eventually.

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...Anyone with a moral soul should care.

It's all going to start in the States, this is why I constantly talk about them.

Man, believe this depression will be bad, you'll see eventually.

Your brand of morality and souls is for suckers.

If the USA is the center of your universe, you are powerless already...by choice.

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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K, maybe martial law is a little extreme, but seriously, I hate to sound like the bringing of doom constantly but eventually there will be a successful terrorist attack in the states, you can't start wars in all these countries and not expect some people who maybe lost a family member or entire family to not get mad.

There already was a major attack in the states. The US responded by tapping phones, eavesdropping, detaining non-citizens and increasing security where it was required. Martial law did not happen.

The shreiking about loss of liberty from the left was useful in that it kept the civil libertarians awake, but life in the US is largely unchanged since before 9/11. THAT is the real security of life in America - that open, free living naturally persists even in the wake of external challenges.

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There already was a major attack in the states. The US responded by tapping phones, eavesdropping, detaining non-citizens and increasing security where it was required. Martial law did not happen.

The shreiking about loss of liberty from the left was useful in that it kept the civil libertarians awake, but life in the US is largely unchanged since before 9/11. THAT is the real security of life in America - that open, free living naturally persists even in the wake of external challenges.

Ya free living, free to do as the government tells us to do.

Just watch this, it is just over a minute long.

As for change, we are now living under the threat of terrorists attacks.

The Patriot Act was an attack on its citizens rights.

First what made the terrorists want to be terrorists, they had a motivation, what was it?

We need to solve the underlining problem which is our and other countries foreign policies.

We are starting wars and killing millions. That pisses people off, what are we expecting, it surely pissed us off.

America wants to start a war in Iran and Yemen, how long before world war 3?

None of these solutions they are giving us are solving problems, they just constantly do quick fixes that don't make much sense.

They create more problems then they solve.

Listen to this speech, it is a speech by Congressman Ron Paul.

Bush, this is why people like him, because he represents something pure and true.

If the USA is the center of your universe, you are powerless already...by choice.

No, we are powerless by choice.

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Just watch this, it is just over a minute long.

For the record, that's 3 videos you've had me watch now. It was 1/2 of a news panel discussion about Sarah Palin, and 1/2 of a stand-up comedian. Again, the emotive passion is good but doesn't make for good policy.

Yes there is stupidity, junk food and bad information everywhere. Lament, lament, but what to do ?

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Bush, this is why people like him, because he represents something pure and true.

No, we are powerless by choice.

..and that's one reason why he lost his presidential bid. "Pure and True" means hopelessly naive, especially when it comes from somebody worshipping a very flawed Congressman Ron Paul, from another nation for chrisakes.

So just sit back and wait for whatever the hell the USA decides to do next, because that's all you seem to care about.

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

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