New World Order

[Michael Hardner]

Somethings are worth sitting through. You can watch this for two hours, or watch Jersey Shore for a couple hours. I'll take anything over Jersey Shore .

I don't watch Jersey Shore either.

[maple_leafs182]

I don't watch Jersey Shore either.

I don't watch Jersey Shore either.

Just give it a shot, try the 1st ten minutes and if you like it then continue to watch.

[GostHacked]

I don't watch Jersey Shore either.

Awesome, you are gonna thank yourself in the long run.

To me it's one of those movies that people will sit up and ask WTF. And there are those who will watch part of it, and just say it's garbage and move on. The latter usually go watch some mind numbing crap like JS.

As for the first Zeitgeist, I'd focus on the first couple parts where it talks about a history or religion which is very interesting to me as an atheist/agnostic After if you want to go down the rabbit hole you can.

Edited November 11, 2010 by GostHacked

[Oleg Bach]

Did my home work on ancient scripture and what formed society..did my study on those in high dark places who are the new world order - in fact - I have had conversations with a few of these chumps..some of them think they are GOD...other just get a kick out of people like YOU - who fear them - they only have the power you grant them - I repeat - YOU are the new world order.

[maple_leafs182]

I'm sure most of you know who Jesse Ventura is, some of you might have seen his show Conspiracy Theory. He did a show this year entitle Police State, in it he talks about the Fusion Centers they are building in the states, he talks about FEMA camps, it is pretty much an episode about how the government is watching their citizens and what would happen if martial law was enacted in the States.

Just recently an agency within the US Government put pressure on Time Warner to remove the episode, they have since removed the episode from their Tru TV website.

Why the US government got involved, I don't know, it does seem like they don't want the people to see something in the episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVyCEwrcl9o

Here is the episode if you wanna watch it.

[GostHacked]

Maple Leafs, I was able to watch that one online the other day. When Jesse and his cohort approached the director of the facility in Denver Colorado, you can see he was taken off guard instantly when he say Jesse. "Whoa, I did not know YOU were going to be here', slight paraphrasing. And also when he talked to the senator who had co-signed the bill, had no idea what Jesse was talking about untill he told him the bill number, .. then the guys memory came back.

If this is really happening in the US, there has got to be something going on in Canada as well. I just don't know where to start looking.

The main thing to see when looking into the NWO is the amalgamation of power across the spectrum. Centralization of many aspects of life. Centralize on the city scale through amalgamation of cities and surrounding districts. Centralization on the provincial or state level, then on the national scale. Entities like the NSA, DHS, CSIS. I always use the EU as an example of this centralization of power and now we see that it's having the opposite effect on the countries that are involved in it.

Money has been centralized around the world through the IMF and the World Bank, this is tied into many countries centralized banks which control monetary policy of a country.

Nation states and nation sovereignty will cease to exist in the near future unless this trend is reversed.

Also centralization has it's downfalls. I can use computers as an example. In my job we have software for our production environment. Each center has a system that can run independently if the link to the centralized facility is broken for whatever reason or if the datacenter goes down for whatever reason. We are moving to a centralized production in which each facility will no longer have a stand alone production, it's all centralized at one major datacenter. If the link to the datacenter is down, so are you. If the datacenter is down, so are all your centers using that system for production. You can see how that can relate to other 'systems'.

In a way I've already seen the comparison between the two, we are currently in a transition phase to centralization. We had a major failure at the datacenter. My place (and the others like mine) was still going strong and experienced minimal impact because we had enough work load in our production environment already uploaded. Those on the centralized application for production came to a halt instantly when the link to the datacenter and the facility itself went down. Ultimate catastrophic failure is what we had on our hands. It took nearly 24 hours to resolve the issue and we had a major loss of productivity across the board. Office workers and retail stores were also affected. This should have shown that centralization is good for some apps, but not suitable for others. So a compromise and a hybrid solution needs to be in place. But I am not the one making the big decisions.

[Michael Hardner]

It's not hard to see why this kind of fear mongering isn't of concern to the government. They can't even vaccinate children anymore because of this type of bogeyman nonsense.

[Topaz]

The New World Order(NWO) is also behind the European Union and the NAU and other unions that bring more countries together to create NWO legal tender. They will rule countries through their economics and that security and perimeter around NA is just the start for NA. John Manley was on CBC and he did say Canadians would give up some sovereignty but the US would too, and that the plan to harmonize the countries economy, militarily, which I'm sure the US military would rule over Canada and perhaps that is why the Tories are pushing for the US made F-35. The next generation will probably see more changes and some that aren't good for the country but the citizens won't have much choice unless we keep a minority government in place.

[Michael Hardner]

Just to be clear - is this New World Order we're speaking of in this thread some kind of hidden conspiracy ? If so, I'm confused because trade liberalization has been an ongoing priority in Europe since the 1960s and in North American since the 1980s.

[bush_cheney2004]

....which I'm sure the US military would rule over Canada and perhaps that is why the Tories are pushing for the US made F-35.

That would also explain the C-17's, CF-18's, CH-47's, even CF-101 Voodoos. It has been part of a plot since Dief destroyed the Avro Arrows...oh the humanity!

[GostHacked]

Just to be clear - is this New World Order we're speaking of in this thread some kind of hidden conspiracy ? If so, I'm confused because trade liberalization has been an ongoing priority in Europe since the 1960s and in North American since the 1980s.

Might go on a little rant here, so bear with me...

The way I see it is that there is some group pulling the strings behind the scenes. I don't see much of a difference voting for a Dem over a Rep, or a Tory over a Conservative or NDP. They are all part of the same problem, which I interpret as, the powers that be simply don't give a rats ass about the general population one bit and will do whatever they can to hide the plan through compartmentalization so the averabe person simply can't put all the peices together to understand the bigger picture.

The reason I say there is a group behind the scenes, is because Policy does not change, only the face promoting said Policy. Obama came in wanting to axe Gitmo, and have more open government. Most people that think the way I do, already knew that Gitmo was never going to close, and there would be more closed government.

Bush might be one of the only presidents to actually do what he said he was going to do. Albeit based on lies and propaganda to get the job done, but then, there were people behind Bush guiding him to the results that we all saw. Afghanistan and Iraq. Policy does NOT change, only the people carrying them out. We are always told/taught to look at the bigger picture, yet we are always focused on some small aspect of it, we never really get to see the bigger picture.

When you look at how power/resources across the board are getting centralized, you have to wonder if it's for efficiency or something else? If it is supposed to be more efficient, why is it costing more to get stuff done, and why does it take longer to get things done? The system is broken and on purpose. The government is expanding to keep up with the demands of the government, yes this is a paraphrase from a quote in a game .. Civ 4.

[Michael Hardner]

Might go on a little rant here, so bear with me...

The way I see it is that there is some group pulling the strings behind the scenes. I don't see much of a difference voting for a Dem over a Rep, or a Tory over a Conservative or NDP. They are all part of the same problem, which I interpret as, the powers that be simply don't give a rats ass about the general population one bit and will do whatever they can to hide the plan through compartmentalization so the averabe person simply can't put all the peices together to understand the bigger picture.

Really ? As I recall the original Free Trade Agreement was signed after much public debate and an election. The plan wasn't nidden at all.

The reason I say there is a group behind the scenes, is because Policy does not change, only the face promoting said Policy. Obama came in wanting to axe Gitmo, and have more open government. Most people that think the way I do, already knew that Gitmo was never going to close, and there would be more closed government.

Bush might be one of the only presidents to actually do what he said he was going to do. Albeit based on lies and propaganda to get the job done, but then, there were people behind Bush guiding him to the results that we all saw. Afghanistan and Iraq. Policy does NOT change, only the people carrying them out. We are always told/taught to look at the bigger picture, yet we are always focused on some small aspect of it, we never really get to see the bigger picture.

When you look at how power/resources across the board are getting centralized, you have to wonder if it's for efficiency or something else? If it is supposed to be more efficient, why is it costing more to get stuff done, and why does it take longer to get things done? The system is broken and on purpose. The government is expanding to keep up with the demands of the government, yes this is a paraphrase from a quote in a game .. Civ 4.

If they want central control, then why are they allowing global forces to come in and compete for business inside our borders ?

[Bonam]

New World Order Edited December 12, 2010 by Bonam

[maple_leafs182]

Just to be clear - is this New World Order we're speaking of in this thread some kind of hidden conspiracy ? If so, I'm confused because trade liberalization has been an ongoing priority in Europe since the 1960s and in North American since the 1980s.

If you're Alex Jones you would say the New World Order is a group of elites that are pulling the strings behind the scenes to get what they want, the big players being the international bankers of the world. There goal is global governance, depopulation and to enslave the people of the world.

I see the new world order as globalization mixed with fascism. I really don't see anything new about the new world order, it is how the game has always been played.

[bush_cheney2004]

I love the New World Order...so much better than the Old World Order. Look...we get free internet!

Edited December 12, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Michael Hardner]

It's pretty hard to debunk claims of a global conspiracy, that's responsible for everything that goes wrong on the world stage.

Maybe the best way is for us to look at how much better things are for the average person since, say, the end of the cold war or maybe the end of WW II. If the motive of the NWO is to get wealthier, why would they need to hide that ? That's an open goal of the world's elite right NOW.

[maple_leafs182]

It's pretty hard to debunk claims of a global conspiracy, that's responsible for everything that goes wrong on the world stage.

Maybe the best way is for us to look at how much better things are for the average person since, say, the end of the cold war or maybe the end of WW II. If the motive of the NWO is to get wealthier, why would they need to hide that ? That's an open goal of the world's elite right NOW.

I wouldm't say our life has gotten better or maybe it has, I'll agree that our stanard of living has risen which is expected with the evolution and creation of technologies but as individuals we still face the same challenges as we have in the past.

I know Elites motive is to get welthier, that is the problem, the elites being the people with power don't really care about the people, all they want is to be wealthier, that is most of our goals, that is the problem, it is our way of thinking.

I posted this before but noone responded.

The number one cause of criminal death in Canada is cause by drinking and driving. The conservative approach may be to increase fines or penalties for drinking and driving to deter people from drinking and driving. The liberal approach might be to educate people on the dangers of drinking and driving in order to deter people from drinking and driving. None of those will actually stop a drunk collision from happening. Why don't we develop a form of transportation where drinking and driving isn't even a possibiliy, why don't we ever actually solve problems.

[eyeball]

Why don't we develop a form of transportation where drinking and driving isn't even a possibiliy.

Because the moment some government proposed to automate our roads and vehicles for there would be a hue and a cry that doing so was part a conspiracy - an assault on the freedom of the road.

"They'll have to take my steering wheel from my dead cold fingers", will be the call to arms.

[Michael Hardner]

I wouldm't say our life has gotten better or maybe it has, I'll agree that our stanard of living has risen which is expected with the evolution and creation of technologies but as individuals we still face the same challenges as we have in the past.

A rising standard of living necessarily means we don't face the same challenges as we have in the past. For example, dying of hunger isn't a real threat to most of us in the west at this point.

I know Elites motive is to get welthier, that is the problem, the elites being the people with power don't really care about the people, all they want is to be wealthier, that is most of our goals, that is the problem, it is our way of thinking.

I refer you to The Wealth of Nations, by Adam Smith.

The number one cause of criminal death in Canada is cause by drinking and driving. The conservative approach may be to increase fines or penalties for drinking and driving to deter people from drinking and driving. The liberal approach might be to educate people on the dangers of drinking and driving in order to deter people from drinking and driving. None of those will actually stop a drunk collision from happening. Why don't we develop a form of transportation where drinking and driving isn't even a possibiliy, why don't we ever actually solve problems.

Actually, both approaches together represent a 'carrot and stick' approach that is an effective two-pronged approach to the problem. Developing some sort of transportation is a very complex and expensive problem. The approach we've taken has been effective and not complex or overly expensive.

[maple_leafs182]

A rising standard of living necessarily means we don't face the same challenges as we have in the past. For example, dying of hunger isn't a real threat to most of us in the west at this point.

Challenges was a bad word to use. We still live the same kind of lifestyles as we have in the past, there may be certain changes as we adapt to new and different technologies but it is generally the same lifestyle.

Actually, both approaches together represent a 'carrot and stick' approach that is an effective two-pronged approach to the problem. Developing some sort of transportation is a very complex and expensive problem. The approach we've taken has been effective and not complex or overly expensive.

The approach we have take has been effective in the sense that it lets us get from point A to point B but when you talk cost you are only thinking in terms of money. What about the environmental damage, the depletion of resources and the social problems created such as drinking and driving, these are the real costs.

Using Maglev could be a viable alternative.

[Michael Hardner]

Challenges was a bad word to use. We still live the same kind of lifestyles as we have in the past, there may be certain changes as we adapt to new and different technologies but it is generally the same lifestyle.

Since when ? How about the 1940s, when people joined the army to get steady meals. Does that happen today ? Do we have 1/4 of the population directly involved in agriculture ? Are you expected to stay in the same job your whole life ?

The approach we have take has been effective in the sense that it lets us get from point A to point B but when you talk cost you are only thinking in terms of money. What about the environmental damage, the depletion of resources and the social problems created such as drinking and driving, these are the real costs.

Using Maglev could be a viable alternative.

Not sure what that is.

[M.Dancer]

Challenges was a bad word to use. We still live the same kind of lifestyles as we have in the past, there may be certain changes as we adapt to new and different technologies but it is generally the same lifestyle.

My father's work week was 48 hours. His father worked 9 hours a day, 6 days a week. They had no plumbing...no electricity....and for them, poverty meant near starvation.

You cannot in your life imagine their lifestyle as being generally the same as ours

[bloodyminded]

Might go on a little rant here, so bear with me...

The way I see it is that there is some group pulling the strings behind the scenes. I don't see much of a difference voting for a Dem over a Rep, or a Tory over a Conservative or NDP. They are all part of the same problem, which I interpret as, the powers that be simply don't give a rats ass about the general population one bit and will do whatever they can to hide the plan through compartmentalization so the averabe person simply can't put all the peices together to understand the bigger picture.

The reason I say there is a group behind the scenes, is because Policy does not change, only the face promoting said Policy. Obama came in wanting to axe Gitmo, and have more open government. Most people that think the way I do, already knew that Gitmo was never going to close, and there would be more closed government.

It's "group" pulling the strings only in the sense that some people--in some ways in collaboration, in some ways in competition--hold a lot of power.

But it's extraordinarily complex, as human/social matters always are. There may be small conspiracies, but there are no grand "New World Order" conspiracies occurring...at least not in the sense I'm hearing it here.

The reason so many things stay the same is because of institutionalization. Of wealth, of government, of policy, of Power itself. Not because of a true global conspiracy.

Edited December 15, 2010 by bloodyminded

[Michael Hardner]

I believe Chomsky is the one who has pointed out that a conspiracy isn't required: the powers that be currently make their moves in the open, for all to see, and there isn't enough weight of complaint from the masses to make a significant difference in their plans.

[GostHacked]

Since when ? How about the 1940s, when people joined the army to get steady meals. Does that happen today ? Do we have 1/4 of the population directly involved in agriculture ? Are you expected to stay in the same job your whole life ?

Magnetic levetation. Using magnets with an alternating current to propel a train on a track.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maglev_(transport)

Can get some awesome speeds with it.