Iran pushing their luck!

GostHacked · September 29, 2009

Henry Kissinger has already commented on that aptly awhile back. Rephrasing, "they may be maniacs, but our own maniacs".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0%2....html?gusrc=rss

Saddam maybe a bastard, but he is our bastard. Or was.

srael's Shin Bet security service chief has said his country may come to regret the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, because strong dictatorship is preferable to the present chaos in Iraq. Yuval Diskin, who was secretly recorded talking to teenage Jewish settlers preparing for military service, also said Israel's judicial system discriminates against Arabs.
The recording was made public on Israeli television this week. Amid a barrage of questions, mainly on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Mr Diskin was asked about Iraq. "When you dismantle a system in which there is a despot who controls his people by force, you have chaos. You get what happened in Iraq. I'm not sure we won't miss Saddam," he said.

M.Dancer · September 29, 2009

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0%2....html?gusrc=rss
Saddam maybe a bastard, but he is our bastard. Or was.

What does this have to do with Iran?

eyeball · September 29, 2009

5. Israel is a Nuclear power forcing Iran (et al) to stock piles hundreds if
not thousands of warheads as a deterent...creating a mid eastern arms race. (shoulda seen this coming a looooong time ago)

Fixed it for you.

eyeball · September 29, 2009

What does this have to do with Iran?

Same shit different bucket or same bucket different shit...its pretty much the same result either way - a big smelly mess.

GostHacked · September 29, 2009

What does this have to do with Iran?

Iraq was the template for how other 'bad' countries in the middle east will be handled.

Rhetoric is simliar, WMDs and terrorism. Which will give the chance for Israel to take out another reactor (they smoked 2 so far!!)

Somehow I have seen this game before, and we can see what the outcome will be.

Edited September 29, 2009 by GostHacked

M.Dancer · September 29, 2009

Iraq was the template for how other 'bad' countries in the middle east will be handled.
Rhetoric is simliar, WMDs and terrorism. Which will give the chance for Israel to take out another reactor (they smoked 2 so far!!)

Somehow I have seen this game before, and we can see what the outcome will be.

So you're optimistic then. Regime change has always benefited the people of Iran. The big difference is there is no Saddam in Iran, merely clerics and radicals...there is a growing voice who would happily see themr retire.

naomiglover · September 29, 2009

So you're optimistic then. Regime change has always benefited the people of Iran. The big difference is there is no Saddam in Iran, merely clerics and radicals...there is a growing voice who would happily see themr retire.

You think they want a hand from Israel and US?

M.Dancer · September 29, 2009

You think they want a hand from Israel and US?

Why are you volunteering Israel?

Maybe Saudi Arabia has enough riding on the line that a nuclear armed shia clique would prompt them to press for action ...quietly of course, but speaking with petro dollars, of course.

DogOnPorch · September 29, 2009

OK, it's the ground that matters, clear enough. So if A knocks B on the head on the ground of "terrorism", it's a big fat no-no. If on the other hand, the ground is of "advancement of freedom and such things", it's allright and you're welcome. Correct?

You'd support this? Or this...? Hamas @ work...busy l'il beavers. I'll stick with the Israelis, thanks.

Oh wait, who decides which ground is which? How do I know that your ground is better than mine (or should it be the other way around)?

Those videos say it all...in what world is that 'good'?

wulf42 · September 29, 2009

You'd support this? Or this...? Hamas @ work...busy l'il beavers. I'll stick with the Israelis, thanks.
Those videos say it all...in what world is that 'good'?

And people on here say they have a right to have Nukes......yeah okay!!

These crazed Islamic animals must never be allowed to own nukes including Iran!!

If Israel gives them an early Christmas present it will be their own fault!

naomiglover · September 29, 2009

Why are you volunteering Israel?
Maybe Saudi Arabia has enough riding on the line that a nuclear armed shia clique would prompt them to press for action ...quietly of course, but speaking with petro dollars, of course.

I'm not volunteering Israel. Israel threatens to attack Iran almost daily.

M.Dancer · September 30, 2009

I'm not volunteering Israel.

Of course you didn't. It was merely a nervous tick that made you write Israel,

Israel threatens to attack Iran almost daily.

How about you back that little factoid up. Lets make it easy....one threat per month for a year going backwards from today.

DogOnPorch · September 30, 2009

And people on here say they have a right to have Nukes......yeah okay!!
These crazed Islamic animals must never be allowed to own nukes including Iran!!

If Israel gives them an early Christmas present it will be their own fault!

If you're willing to butcher your own like the Iranians and Palestinian Arabs, how can any sane nation trust them with atomic weapons? As well, I suspect a good 85% of people these days have zero clue as to what A-Bombs and H-Bombs are...or what they do beyond going 'boom'. Fission/Fusion? Isn't that a Ben & Jerry's ice cream flavor?

Sir Bandelot · September 30, 2009

If you're willing to butcher your own like the Iranians and Palestinian Arabs, how can any sane nation trust them with atomic weapons?

We are only looking after their bests interests. They might end up nuking themselves!

DogOnPorch · September 30, 2009

We are only looking after their bests interests. They might end up nuking themselves!

If you're willing to kill your own citizens, you'd have less qualms about killing the enemy at a whim.

Things to watch out for: Iran's Safir 'scientific' rocket. This one will be able to put a 500kg payload in LEO before too long. Once you can do that, you don't really need a 'ballistic' missile. Just launch your handy dandy small nuclear weapon...10kt say...into orbit with the ability to change orbital planes and de-orbit. Meanwhile, Iran insists the payload is scientific in nature...lol. Studying the movement of sand across the deserts.

:rolleyes:

The major players have rules re: doing this...putting atomic weapons in orbit. It's, of course, a no-no. Iran...will it play by the rules?

eyeball · September 30, 2009

Those videos say it all...in what world is that 'good'?

The same world in which our bastard's have similarily done henious awful things to human beings.

Edited September 30, 2009 by eyeball

DogOnPorch · September 30, 2009

The same world in which our bastard's have similarily done henious awful things to human beings.

Care to provide an example of Canadians lining up Canadians and shooting them in the back of the head? Keep in mind our star will expand into a Red Giant in a few billion years...tick-tick-tick.

eyeball · September 30, 2009

Care to provide an example of Canadians lining up Canadians and shooting them in the back of the head? Keep in mind our star will expand into a Red Giant in a few billion years...tick-tick-tick.

What's this got to do with my answer to your question?

Am I supposed to believe you really don't know what the reference to 'our bastards' implies? Nice try but, you're just not that dense.

DogOnPorch · September 30, 2009

What's this got to do with my answer to your question?
Am I supposed to believe you really don't know what the reference to 'our bastards' implies? Nice try but, you're just not that dense.

Fine...who are 'our bastards'? Walt Disney?

eyeball · September 30, 2009

Nice try but, you're just not that dense.

No matter how hard you try to stick your foot in, deeper, it won't fit. But hey who am I to argue?

naomiglover · September 30, 2009

Of course you didn't. It was merely a nervous tick that made you write Israel,

The only nervous tick I see is from you. Someone makes a mention of Israel and right away you begin your personal attacks.

How about you back that little factoid up. Lets make it easy....one threat per month for a year going backwards from today.

Or how about you go and read the news? How many times do we hear that "All options are on the table"? If that's not a threat, what is?

wulf42 · September 30, 2009

If you're willing to butcher your own like the Iranians and Palestinian Arabs, how can any sane nation trust them with atomic weapons? As well, I suspect a good 85% of people these days have zero clue as to what A-Bombs and H-Bombs are...or what they do beyond going 'boom'. Fission/Fusion? Isn't that a Ben & Jerry's ice cream flavor?

Exactly right many people have little understanding of how Nuclear weapons work or

the damage done according to yield/ kt's of the weapons...i have talked to people who actually

think its just one big bomb that will end the planet..... :lol:

Edited September 30, 2009 by wulf42

DogOnPorch · September 30, 2009

Exactly right many people have little understanding of how Nuclear weapons work or
the damage done according to yield/ kt's of the weapons...i have talked to people who actually

think its just one big bomb that will end the planet.....

Beneath the Planet of the Apes...the theoretical Cobalt Bomb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb

myata · September 30, 2009

If you're willing to kill your own citizens, you'd have less qualms about killing the enemy at a whim.

Right, we've certainly seen it happen in Iraq.

Things to watch out for: Iran's Safir 'scientific' rocket. This one will be able to put a 500kg payload in LEO before too long. Once you can do that, you don't really need a 'ballistic' missile. Just launch your handy dandy small nuclear weapon...10kt say...into orbit with the ability to change orbital planes and de-orbit. Meanwhile, Iran insists the payload is scientific in nature...lol. Studying the movement of sand across the deserts.

Right again, those toys should be reserved for the good people, the ones that could use them wisely, like e.g. covering their stealing occupied lands, or persuading an opponent who does not have them with a live demo, on occasion.

The major players have rules re: doing this...putting atomic weapons in orbit. It's, of course, a no-no. Iran...will it play by the rules?

Every major player so far have abided by the rules. Why - try to figure that out.

myata · September 30, 2009

Its Iran's choice

As our, Western influence appears to be incapable of bringing any sort of balance into the situation in the Middle East, (it's our way, or no way), it'll have to be found somewhere else. The nature does not endure vacuum. And human nature does not easily endure total domination by another, even superhumanly peaceful and/or democratic in nature.

Nuclear Iran may be the easiest solution to the conundrum. It'll have to behave more responsibly, and it'll have its position actually heard. Too bad it could end up being a radical, confrontational position, but it's near always the case when people are driven to the edge without regard for their legitimate grievances or interests.