Iran pushing their luck!

[M.Dancer]

Or how about you go and read the news? How many times do we hear that "All options are on the table"? If that's not a threat, what is?

Hysterics aside, you are not able to back up your assertion even when modified. If that ain't lame assed....I don't know what is.

Someone makes a mention of Israel and right away you begin your personal attacks.

Troll

[DogOnPorch]

Right, we've certainly seen it happen in Iraq.

Iraqis indeed have no qualms about blowing-up other Iraqis if the politics/religion are right...errrr...wrong.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5071300336.html

Right again, those toys should be reserved for the good people, the ones that could use them wisely, like e.g. covering their stealing occupied lands, or persuading an opponent who does not have them with a live demo, on occasion.

We have no atomic weapons. Israel hasn't threatened anyone with them. By "live demo" I'm assuming you mean WW2. Meanwhile...this is no doubt for providing cheap nuclear power to the Iranian masses.

Every major player so far have abided by the rules. Why - try to figure that out.

The major players signed a treaty...Iran hasn't bothered to ratify it for some reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

[myata]

Iraqis indeed have no qualms about blowing-up other Iraqis if the politics/religion are right...errrr...wrong.

And that would make us right in blowing them up too?

BTW I use "we" in the general sense of "West" (I thought it was clear from the context), Canada is of course invited to establish it's own, independent and distinct position by insisting that standards of non-proliferation be applied to all players, friends and not so much alike. Till that happens though, we'll have to assume that Canada's OK with selective application of nuclear safety principles, and therefore has as much credibility insisting on somebody's observance, as the parties directly sponsoring foreign military programs, and acknowledging or even tacitly encouraging development of nuclear arsenals by selected friendlies.

We have no atomic weapons. Israel hasn't threatened anyone with them.

Right, they must be there purely for esthetical pleasures while governement of the day goes about ongoing business of collecting biblical lands.

The major players signed a treaty...Iran hasn't bothered to ratify it for some reason.

And so? We've already know what our treaties, standards and principles are worth. Why exactly does it matter?

There only two possible scenarios 1) everybody disarms, no exceptions; or 2) everybody (who can) arms up, and (hopefully!) the combined forces of others keep each player from doing something stupid. We seem to be having issues with #1, so it's got to be the other alternative, we better admit it (us ourselves, having chosen and insisted on it) and learn to live with it.

[DogOnPorch]

And that would make us right in blowing them up too?

The forces in Afghanistan do not shoot civilians as part of official policy. Your buds in Hamas have no such problems shooting unarmed people in the back. Why do you defend terrorism? Are you a terrorist, as well?

BTW I use "we" in the general sense of "West" (I thought it was clear from the context), Canada is of course invited to establish it's own, independent and distinct position by insisting that standards of non-proliferation be applied to all players, friends and not so much alike. Till that happens though, we'll have to assume that Canada's OK with selective application of nuclear safety principles, and therefore has as much credibility insisting on somebody's observance, as the parties directly sponsoring foreign military programs, and acknowledging or even tacitly encouraging development of nuclear arsenals by selected friendlies.

You're so PC-Revisionist that it's almost painful to read.

Right, they must be there purely for esthetical pleasures while governement of the day goes about ongoing business of collecting biblical lands.

Can you provide some details on these apparent Israeli nuclear weapons which they are apparently using to threaten the planet? Size...weight...yield...type?

And so? We've already know what our treaties, standards and principles are worth. Why exactly does it matter?

There only two possible scenarios 1) everybody disarms, no exceptions; or 2) everybody (who can) arms up, and (hopefully!) the combined forces of others keep each player from doing something stupid. We seem to be having issues with #1, so it's got to be the other alternative, we better admit it (us ourselves, having chosen and insisted on it) and learn to live with it.

This is why somebody like yourself can never be allowed to play with my and my family's lives via public office. You'd allow Canada's enemies to have nuclear weapons out of a sense of fair-play. Unacceptable. Would you have also insisted Hitler's atomic program be allowed to continue without interference from evil British commandos? Of course you would...Hitler isn't all bad...look at those wonderful highways he made. You, frankly, sicken me in ways others here fail to do though they try harder.

[myata]

The forces in Afghanistan do not shoot civilians as part of official policy. Your buds in Hamas have no such problems shooting unarmed people in the back.

Why do you defend terrorism? Are you a terrorist, as well?

OK, "if not with us, then terrorist" thing, don't we already know it, by heart. Good stuff! So very novel, creative and most importantly, convinces on the spot.

You're so PC-Revisionist that it's almost painful to read.

No surprise there, self righteous attitudes and less than stellar high school achievements often go hand in hand. Beats me, why?

Can you provide some details on these apparent Israeli nuclear weapons which they are apparently using to threaten the planet? Size...weight...yield...type?

Just google it (e.g wikipedia). Any nuke is a potential threat to people and the planet, as Hiroshima and Cuba crisis tell us. Some remain completely ignorant though, that a threat can come from them (and theirs) as good as the others, no matter what their own track record clearly shows.

This is why somebody like yourself can never be allowed to play with my and my family's lives via public office. You'd allow Canada's enemies to have nuclear weapons out of a sense of fair-play.

That's why we had, have and will have conflicts, cold and hot wars, which on occasion would involve sending our people to fight in the remote lands. In the observable future and until such time as you would actually understand, that the best way to have peace is to be peaceful ourselves. Without any creative exceptions. Because any exception to peace is war, violence and agression. Regardless of creative terminologies you'd want to put on it.

Edited September 30, 2009 by myata

[DogOnPorch]

No surprise there, self righteous attitudes and less than stellar high school achievements often go hand in hand. Beats me, why?

That's too bad. Have you tried night school?

[naomiglover]

Hysterics aside, you are not able to back up your assertion even when modified. If that ain't lame assed....I don't know what is.

Troll

Okay Dancer. You go on pretending that reality does not exist and continue to make personal attacks and then call others trolls.

[M.Dancer]

Okay Dancer. You go on pretending that reality does not exist and continue to make personal attacks and then call others trolls.

Sure play the victim...and go ahead and not back up your statements amd continue trolling.

[naomiglover]

"Can you provide some details on these apparent Israeli nuclear weapons which they are apparently using to threaten the planet? Size...weight...yield...type?"

Speaking of pretending that reality does not exist - Is DogOnPorch pretending that Israel does not have nuclear weapons? Why should anyone bother trying to have discussions with such people?

[naomiglover]

Sure play the victim...and go ahead and not back up your statements amd continue trolling.

I am not playing the victim. You chose not to acknowledge the fact that Israel has repeatedly said that "all options are on the table". Is that not a threat? Is that not reality?

[M.Dancer]

I am not playing the victim. You chose not to acknowledge the fact that Israel has repeatedly said that "all options are on the table". Is that not a threat? Is that not reality?

And you decided not to back up your hyperbolic brain fart "Israel threatens to attack Iran almost daily" you chose to include israel into an exchange that has nothing to do with Israel.

Lets face it, you're trolling.

[naomiglover]

And you decided not to back up your hyperbolic brain fart "Israel threatens to attack Iran almost daily" you chose to include israel into an exchange that has nothing to do with Israel.

Lets face it, you're trolling.

The discussion was about regime change in Iran. Whether you want to admit it or not, such a discussion involves Israel.

[M.Dancer]

The discussion was about regime change in Iran. Whether you want to admit it or not, such a discussion involves Israel.

And the discusion included making outrageous claims that you won'' prove and demonize Israel?

Right....there's a word for that....

[naomiglover]

And the discusion included making outrageous claims that you won'' prove and demonize Israel?

Right....there's a word for that....

You are not making sense.

[M.Dancer]

You are not making sense.

You're not trying.

Now see if you can back up your outrageous claim.

"Israel threatens to attack Iran almost daily"

If you can't do that maybe we can discuss trolling and demonizing Israel.

[DogOnPorch]

"Can you provide some details on these apparent Israeli nuclear weapons which they are apparently using to threaten the planet? Size...weight...yield...type?"

Speaking of pretending that reality does not exist - Is DogOnPorch pretending that Israel does not have nuclear weapons? Why should anyone bother trying to have discussions with such people?

Did I say Israeli nuclear weapons did not exist? No...I did not. Did I ask for some details...actual details...not Amy Goodman's view on Israel's apparent nuclear weapons? Yes I did. Are YOU, naiomiglover, going to give me the details on these nuclear weapons or not?

[naomiglover]

You're not trying.

Now see if you can back up your outrageous claim.

"Israel threatens to attack Iran almost daily"

If you can't do that maybe we can discuss trolling and demonizing Israel.

I have already addressed this twice. I can repeat it if you like: Israel continues to repeat that "All options are on the table" in regards to Iran.

[M.Dancer]

I have already addressed this twice. I can repeat it if you like: Israel continues to repeat that "All options are on the table" in regards to Iran.

So they make that threat "almost daily"

...or is that just an outrageous exageration?

[naomiglover]

Did I say Israeli nuclear weapons did not exist? No...I did not. Did I ask for some details...actual details...not Amy Goodman's view on Israel's apparent nuclear weapons? Yes I did. Are YOU, naiomiglover, going to give me the details on these nuclear weapons or not?

You said the "apparent" nuclear weapons like there is a chance that Israel does not have nuclear weapons. Like a former employee of the nuclear plant was not sent to prison for almost 2 decades for telling the world about the nuclear weapons. Like Israel has not repeatedly mentioned that "All options are on the table", which of course, includes a nuclear strike on Iran.

Why can't we just have an honest discussion?

Most of my family and relatives are also quite nationalistic and hawkish like many Israelis are, but at least they're honest about these discussions. They would never say "apparent" nuclear weapons. Maybe they're honest and open only during family outings.

[naomiglover]

So they make that threat "almost daily"

...or is that just an outrageous exageration?

Or maybe you're grasping at straws and wasting my time.

[DogOnPorch]

You said the "apparent" nuclear weapons like there is a chance that Israel does not have nuclear weapons. Like a former employee of the nuclear plant was not sent to prison for almost 2 decades for telling the world about the nuclear weapons. Like Israel has not repeatedly mentioned that "All options are on the table", which of course, includes a nuclear strike on Iran.

Why can't we just have an honest discussion?

Most of my family and relatives are also quite nationalistic and hawkish like many Israelis are, but at least they're honest about these discussions. They would never say "apparent" nuclear weapons. Maybe they're honest and open only during family outings.

You're deflecting my question. What type of nuclear weapons does Israel have and how do they know they work? Please be detailed.

[M.Dancer]

Or maybe you're grasping at straws and wasting my time.

If you don't want assinine statements to be challenged, don't make them....or at least be prepared to back them up. But don't expect demonizing blather to remain unchallenged.

This ain't Babble.com

[naomiglover]

If you don't want assinine statements to be challenged, don't make them....or at least be prepared to back them up. But don't expect demonizing blather to remain unchallenged.

This ain't Babble.com

If you want to brush aside my response and continue to make personal attacks, that is your choice.

[M.Dancer]

If you want to brush aside my response and continue to make personal attacks, that is your choice.

You should learn the difference between attacking your statements and attacking you personally.

[DogOnPorch]

Plus...still waiting answer re: details on nuclear weapons in Israel's inventory.

Or is it that you don't know much about nuclear weapons to actually comment on them?