Iran pushing their luck!

[wulf42]

Israel i suspect will launch a surprise strike within coming days!!

Iran has gone to far Israel has no choice!! Obama is trying to stop the Israeli's

from striking..good luck with that!!

http://www2.debka.com/article.php?aid=1405

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/09/26/...lear/index.html

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postparti...id=opinionsbox1

Edited September 26, 2009 by wulf42

[DogOnPorch]

Well, Netanyahu certainly was pissed-off looking during his UN speech. Ahmedinnerjacket is really pushing his buttons.

[eyeball]

These are sure heady days eh wulf? Sounds like you can hardly wait.

I bet you've got your den all set up like it was a Superbowl or Stanley Cup final. A couple of big screen TV's, popcorn, beer...yeehaw!

[wulf42]

These are sure heady days eh wulf? Sounds like you can hardly wait.

I bet you've got your den all set up like it was a Superbowl or Stanley Cup final. A couple of big screen TV's, popcorn, beer...yeehaw!

If Israel smokes Iran...blame Iran.........!

I could careless...the Iranians have been pushing everybody's buttons

that happens when you threatened to wipe other coutries off the map

and since Israel is ALREADY nuclear armed to the teeth with 400+ Nukes

Iran wasn t to smart picking a fight with them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8276279.stm

Edited September 26, 2009 by wulf42

[eyeball]

400+ eh, is that what your sources say?

[wulf42]

400+ eh, is that what your sources say?

Yes that is what these sources say!!, would you like

some salt with that foot??.....

http://www.military.com/news/article/March...aeli-nukes.html

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/u...clear-warheads/

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/03/israel_h...rmy_confirms-2/

http://www.rense.com/general26/bombs.htm

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...ture/nukes.html

[jdobbin]

Israel i suspect will launch a surprise strike within coming days!!

Think it will be a nuclear attack?

[eyeball]

Think it will be a nuclear attack?

He certainly appears to hope it will be.

[wulf42]

Think it will be a nuclear attack?

No....i believe it will be similiar to what they did to Iraq's Nuclear plant!

use of Nukes is unlikely but so Is Israel just sitting by while a Islamic

fantical nutjob gets nuclear weapons...it won t happen!

http://blog.taragana.com/n/israel-could-st...etanyahu-24356/

[jdobbin]

No....i believe it will be similiar to what they did to Iraq's Nuclear plant!

That plant wasn't under bunkers.

Leaked U.S. reports are telling American military commander that they should anticipate nuclear fall-out from an Israel attack.

[wulf42]

That plant wasn't under bunkers.

Leaked U.S. reports are telling American military commander that they should anticipate nuclear fall-out from an Israel attack.

I didn t read that report but if true...then it would be underground Nuclear bunker Busters which

would have limited fallout because they explode under ground and would have some containment!

I would think at this point Israel has got a plan already to go and will be executing it soon and with

the info of a new nuke plant will only harden their resolve!

Here is an interesting article of where the Israeli's stand right now.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LQ156361.htm

[wulf42]

That plant wasn't under bunkers.

Leaked U.S. reports are telling American military commander that they should anticipate nuclear fall-out from an Israel attack.

I just read this on an Israeli site! so i guess that is the answer.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6288

[myata]

Seriously though, let's analyse that scenario (which some can't wait to happen). Suppose Israel (itself suspected of having a massive - for a country of its size nuclear program - to mention, completely and totally outside of the sphere of interests of otherwise highly concerned about non-prolifiration leaders of the free world. Like, they don't happen to see it, so it doesn't exist). Anyways, suppose Israel, itself suspected of having a massive nuke program, for a country of its size, chose to attack. Suppose Iran, being attacked without provocation, responds in force.

$100 question: what would justice loving, nuke proliferation concerned leaders of the West do in that situation? I.e who would they condemn for the escalation of situation:

1) Iran, for attempting to do the same that Israel already did on a much more massive scale?

2) Israel for obvious and unprovoked attack (no such chance, eh?)

[jdobbin]

I didn t read that report but if true...then it would be underground Nuclear bunker Busters which

would have limited fallout because they explode under ground and would have some containment!

Last I heard, nuclear bunker busters would have to penetrate 100 metres or more to limit fall-out. Very few can go that far in the first place.

There were some analysts who indicated that Iran's plant may have been built at depths that would foil any type of penetrating bomb. How deep that is, I don't know. My guess is mineshaft deep and under a mountain deep.

[jdobbin]

I just read this on an Israeli site! so i guess that is the answer.

Still not quite deep enough to limit fall out or reach Iran's plant.

It is probably why Obama went public now. If someone builds a plant hundreds of metres below the surface, the only type of attack that might work is a ground attack.

[wulf42]

Last I heard, nuclear bunker busters would have to penetrate 100 metres or more to limit fall-out. Very few can go that far in the first place.

There were some analysts who indicated that Iran's plant may have been built at depths that would foil any type of penetrating bomb. How deep that is, I don't know. My guess is mineshaft deep and under a mountain deep.

Yes it would have to penetrate along down way to be effective. It has to completely

destroy their Nuke capabilities in one decisive blow and Israel will have to be ready for any

retaliation that may result.

[wulf42]

Seriously though, let's analyse that scenario (which some can't wait to happen). Suppose Israel (itself suspected of having a massive - for a country of its size nuclear program - to mention, completely and totally outside of the sphere of interests of otherwise highly concerned about non-prolifiration leaders of the free world. Like, they don't happen to see it, so it doesn't exist). Anyways, suppose Israel, itself suspected of having a massive nuke program, for a country of its size, chose to attack. Suppose Iran, being attacked without provocation, responds in force.

$100 question: what would justice loving, nuke proliferation concerned leaders of the West do in that situation? I.e who would they condemn for the escalation of situation:

1) Iran, for attempting to do the same that Israel already did on a much more massive scale?

2) Israel for obvious and unprovoked attack (no such chance, eh?)

See this is the problem with this statement....the old Israel has nukes why can t anyone else crap>

1. Iran is run by a Islamic Fanatic.

2. If Iran goes Nuclear, Israel will start building nukes like there is no tomorrow.

3.Likelihood of a Nuclear war goes up immensely.

4.Iran has directly and openly threatened Israel....gives Israel all the authority

in the world to attack first!! (its called a premptive strike) say for example you

are facing a man who says as soon as he gets his gun put together he is going to kill you

but you have a gun also and it's ready to go...are you going to wait until the other

guy gets his gun built or are you going to take him out first????

Edited September 27, 2009 by wulf42

[jdobbin]

Yes it would have to penetrate along down way to be effective. It has to completely

destroy their Nuke capabilities in one decisive blow and Israel will have to be ready for any

retaliation that may result.

I don't know any bomb that can penetrate below 100 metres.

Just to be on the safe side, the U.S. is now building labs in South Dakota that are 1500 metres deep.

[OddSox]

I don't know any bomb that can penetrate below 100 metres.

Does it really matter how deep the bomb goes? If the front door is radioactive for the next century or two it won't make much difference if the rest of the plant is intact...

[wulf42]

Does it really matter how deep the bomb goes? If the front door is radioactive for the next century or two it won't make much difference if the rest of the plant is intact...

Exactly....the plant will be rendered useless one way or the other!

[jdobbin]

Does it really matter how deep the bomb goes? If the front door is radioactive for the next century or two it won't make much difference if the rest of the plant is intact...

I suppose the only way to ensure that the plant would not be used by Iranians again would be to leave no one alive on the surface. The front door, as you say, could come from distance away so that might mean irradiating a large portion of Iran.

The Iranians have been quite clever about this. The depth is not the only issue. Various hidden entrances also make the decision to attack a tricky one.

[jdobbin]

Exactly....the plant will be rendered useless one way or the other!

Perhaps by exterminating the entire Iranian population.

[wulf42]

Perhaps by exterminating the entire Iranian population.

If done right it should only affect the Plant.

[jdobbin]

If done right it should only affect the Plant.

I don't know an expert about who thinks it will only affect the plant. Have you heard anything?

It is why many people believe Obama raised the subject because presently there is no weapon that can go that deep and guarantee it will take out the plant without radiation fall-out well beyond Iran's borders.

[wulf42]

I don't know an expert about who thinks it will only affect the plant. Have you heard anything?

It is why many people believe Obama raised the subject because presently there is no weapon that can go that deep and guarantee it will take out the plant without radiation fall-out well beyond Iran's borders.

Using force will be a last resort.. no military option can assure safety!

...however the USAF is hurrying to get Bunker Busters to Israel

by this December to give them the option if they need to go that route.

The ball is in Iran's court now.