Iran pushing their luck!

[naomiglover]

You should learn the difference between attacking your statements and attacking you personally.

I know the difference and you know the difference.

Maybe you were calling my statements a troll.

[M.Dancer]

I know the difference and you know the difference.

Maybe you were calling my statements a troll.

Yes, your statements are indeed trolling.

[eyeball]

What type of nuclear weapons does Israel have and how do they know they work? Please be detailed.

That's easy, they could have a type that's been tried and tested by an ally. If you have several hundred of them, who cares if a few turn out to be duds?

[naomiglover]

Yes, your statements are indeed trolling.

You called me a troll. That's a personal attack.

[M.Dancer]

You called me a troll. That's a personal attack.

That's because you were trolling.

Statements like "israel threatens Iran almost daily" are most certainly trolling. Especially when the poster doesn't attempt to prove it.

[DogOnPorch]

That's easy, they could have a type that's been tried and tested by an ally. If you have several hundred of them, who cares if a few turn out to be duds?

Could have? But they haven't. Next speculation.

[myata]

That's too bad. Have you tried night school?

Parroting the best you could do here? You surprised me!

Certainly somebody could have answered your question (about Israel's nukes) once and for all. If only they'd show some interest in the affair. Like a fraction of the interest and money they spent digging up non existent ones in Iraq.

As it stands though, the interest (in non proliferation, "peace", "democratic" elections, prosecution of responsible for mass violence or whatever else) appears to extend only to certain, very patchy areas and events of this world. Yeah those ones.. where a baddy of the day happens to be involved. And if and when it's one of ours, it's still business as usual - i.e., no interest.

Keep looking, your question may yet be answered... some time. I wouldn't bet on any time soon though.

[eyeball]

Could have? But they haven't.

How do you know?

Next speculation.

If you lived next door to a country that might have nuclear arms and that was increasingly falling under greater fundamentalist and radical religous influence, wouldn't you feel like demanding to know whether they actually did have WMD's or not?

[DogOnPorch]

How do you know?

I'd suggest you learn who Edward Teller is as well as Yuval Neeman. It was these two that started the ball rolling on Israel's apparent nuclear program in response to the Arab attacks during the Six Day War. It was Teller who told the CIA that Israel had recieved a crash-course in the H-Bomb from him and probably already had a weapon under contruction. The CIA didn't believe him. It was Teller, btw, that insisted that Israel NEVER sign-on to the NPT and even made the Israeli government swear that they never would. So far they're abiding by Mr Teller's wishes.

If you lived next door to a country that might have nuclear arms and that was increasingly falling under greater fundamentalist and radical religous influence, wouldn't you feel like demanding to know whether they actually did have WMD's or not?

Go ask them. If you don't like their answer, you and your Arab buddies can give a go at another invasion. That'll show those darn evil Jews, eh?

[eyeball]

I'd suggest you learn who Edward Teller is as well as Yuval Neeman. It was these two that started the ball rolling on Israel's apparent nuclear program in response to the Arab attacks during the Six Day War. It was Teller who told the CIA that Israel had recieved a crash-course in the H-Bomb from him and probably already had a weapon under contruction. The CIA didn't believe him. It was Teller, btw, that insisted that Israel NEVER sign-on to the NPT and even made the Israeli government swear that they never would. So far they're abiding by Mr Teller's wishes.

Oh...the CIA didn't believe him. Boy, that's a relief.

Go ask them. If you don't like their answer, you and your Arab buddies can give a go at another invasion. That'll show those darn evil Jews, eh?

What evil Jews?

Edited October 1, 2009 by eyeball

[DogOnPorch]

Oh...the CIA didn't believe him. Boy, that's a relief.

You really have no clue as to Edward Teller is, I see.

What evil Jews?

You know...the ultimate super-rogues. Like I said, you and your friends should just ask them re: the A-Bomb and if you don't like their answer...invade.

[eyeball]

You really have no clue as to Edward Teller is, I see.

No you don't actually.

You know...the ultimate super-rogues. Like I said, you and your friends should just ask them re: the A-Bomb and if you don't like their answer...invade.

I think that would be more your style.

Ultimate super-rogues? I don't think so. They seem more like pawns and victims to me. I guess that's why so many are leaving, its what I would do.

[DogOnPorch]

No you don't actually.

Face it you hadn't even heard of Edward Teller until I mentioned him and then you had to hit the ol' Google. Make sure you're reading his bio rather than 'The William Tell Overture' or something like that. Wouldn't want you more confused than you already are.

I think that would be more your style.

Nope...it's the Arab's style...your buds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Ultimate super-rogues? I don't think so. They seem more like pawns and victims to me. I guess that's why so many are leaving, its what I would do.

So the Jews are now 'pawns and vicitims' rather than 'super-rogues' as per your other posts. Why the sudden change in direction? Learned you had a 'berg' or a 'stein' removed from your last name when your family came to North America?

Edited October 2, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[wulf42]

As our, Western influence appears to be incapable of bringing any sort of balance into the situation in the Middle East, (it's our way, or no way), it'll have to be found somewhere else. The nature does not endure vacuum. And human nature does not easily endure total domination by another, even superhumanly peaceful and/or democratic in nature.

Nuclear Iran may be the easiest solution to the conundrum. It'll have to behave more responsibly, and it'll have its position actually heard. Too bad it could end up being a radical, confrontational position, but it's near always the case when people are driven to the edge without regard for their legitimate grievances or interests.

There can be no balance with this Iranian Regime...they are run by a Islamic Fanatical nutjob

who denies the Holocaust even happened and has repeatedly threatened Israel!! This country

under this regime can never be allowed Nuclear weapons, even the Saudi's are willing to help Israel

if they decide to attack!!! what does that tell you??

If Iran does goes Nuclear the likelyhood of a regional

Nuclear War goes through the roof...Israel will arm to the teeth with Nuclear weapons more so than

they already have! and they already have the capability to produce thousands of weapons!!

Iran had better tread softly or they will be destroyed...with any luck Iranian youth will overthrow

this regime and restore some chance for peace.

Edited October 2, 2009 by wulf42

[myata]

There can be no balance with this Iranian Regime...they are run by a Islamic Fanatical nutjob

who denies the Holocaust even happened and has repeatedly threatened Israel!! This country

under this regime can never be allowed Nuclear weapons, even the Saudi's are willing to help Israel

if they decide to attack!!! what does that tell you??

Of course. Balance can only be found with me (or those who suck up to me). Nothing changes.

[eyeball]

So the Jews are now 'pawns and vicitims' rather than 'super-rogues' as per your other posts.

Super-rogues? Can you please show me even one post where I called Jews super-rogues?

Either put up or shut-up or stop wasting my time.

[DogOnPorch]

Super-rogues? Can you please show me even one post where I called Jews super-rogues?

Either put up or shut-up or stop wasting my time.

Are you now saying Israel isn't Western influence meddling with Middle-East interests?

[M.Dancer]

Are you now saying Israel isn't Western influence meddling with Middle-East interests?

How dare you call Eyeball on his hypocrasy...you will dampen his buzz...

[DogOnPorch]

How dare you call Eyeball on his hypocrasy...you will dampen his buzz...

I'm sorry...lol.

[myata]

Covering up a buddy who has amassed gross volumes of bad stuff, while condemning somebody else for even maybe and still unprovenly, attempting to get one, is not hypocrisy though, no, how could it be? It's not hypocrisy because condemning another for something I do myself is not hypocrisy because when I do it, it cannot be hypocrisy and then they do it, it certainly is. Because I'm fully entitled to whatever I do and they are only entitled to whatever I tell them to, and when they're saying they won't do it, it's hypocrisy because I told them to in the first place.

There, saved you some mental effort. Do you really have anything else to add here?

[DogOnPorch]

Covering up a buddy who has amassed gross volumes of bad stuff, while condemning somebody else for even maybe and still unprovenly, attempting to get one, is not hypocrisy though, no, how could it be? It's not hypocrisy because condemning another for something I do myself is not hypocrisy because when I do it, it cannot be hypocrisy and then they do it, it certainly is. Because I'm fully entitled to whatever I do and they are only entitled to whatever I tell them to, and when they're saying they won't do it, it's hypocrisy because I told them to in the first place.

There, saved you some mental effort. Do you really have anything else to add here?

Still no info on actual Israeli nukes? No worries...I'll save you the mental effort...there isn't any. There is, however, page after page after page of speculation much like yours.

How many do they have?

a] Ten

b] Three hundred

c] Five hundred

d] Billions and billions

e] Square root of two

What we do know is a certain A.Q. Khan has helped both North Korea and Iran with their nuclear programs. This is a political problem since Iran signed the NPT...Pakistan and Israel did not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan

[myata]

Wikipedia: Israel and Nuclear weapons

Polichinelle's secret for all otherwise seriously concerned with (highly selective) nuclear proliferation.

In a statement to the May 2009 preparatory meeting for the 2010 NPT Review Conference, the U.S. delegation reiterated the longstanding U.S. support for "universal adherence to the NPT," but uncharacteristically named Israel among the four countries that have not done so. ... The Washington Times reported that this statement threatened to derail the 40-year-old secret agreement between the US and Israel to shield Israel's nuclear weapons program from international scrutiny,

Edited October 2, 2009 by myata

[DogOnPorch]

Wikipedia: Israel and Nuclear weapons

Polichinelle's secret for all otherwise seriously concerned with (highly selective) nuclear proliferation.

Excellent...more speculation. You know...I might be harbouring nuclear weapons, too. Lemme look. Yup...they're still sitting in the garage. How would you go about proving this statement wrong without access to my garage? That's right...speculate.

As mentioned to another esteemed poster...go ask the Israelis...if you don't like their answer...invade.

[myata]

Well somebody showed us the lead how it could be done - in Iraq. Wonder what's stopping those same otherwise very concerned people to follow their own word, in this case also. Oh and BTW they appear to be on quite frindly terms with the subject of interest, so no invasion may be need after all. But ... no interest! Here, we have it, and there - we don't. None at all. Whatsoever.

A very puzzling mystery.

BTW every statement in that article is referenced. Unlike somebody else's "speculations" - here.

[wulf42]

Well somebody showed us the lead how it could be done - in Iraq. Wonder what's stopping those same otherwise very concerned people to follow their own word, in this case also. Oh and BTW they appear to be on quite frindly terms with the subject of interest, so no invasion may be need after all. But ... no interest! Here, we have it, and there - we don't. None at all. Whatsoever.

A very puzzling mystery.

BTW every statement in that article is referenced. Unlike somebody else's "speculations" - here.

No Invasion is needed..just to wack those reactors!!