jdobbin Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Think we might be seeing the strategy developing among Democrats. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/61261...-going-negative For Dems in Virginia and New Jersey, victory may come from going negative For the first time in months, Democratic strategists are voicing optimism about their chances in the New Jersey and Virginia governors’ races — and some believe the path to victory will come from vilifying the Republican opposition.In New Jersey, Gov. Jon Corzine (D) has spent months attacking former U.S. Attorney Chris Christie ®, taking shots at everything from his policies to his record to his personal behavior and weight. One wonders if the Liberals in Canada will take note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta4ever Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Jon Stewart is the best thing out of America since... I can't compare him to anyone. Maybe George Carlin. That comparison is heresy, john stewart is a rat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naomiglover Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 (edited) That comparison is heresy, john stewart is a rat. How is Jon Stewart is a rat? Edited October 4, 2009 by naomiglover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 This is fun... Approval of U.S. Congress Falls to 21%, Driven by Democrats Gallup The current drop in overall job approval to 21% particularly reflects a substantial drop in approval among Democrats, whose 36% rating this month is 18 points lower than last month's 54% There goes one of punked's talking points. Parties Nearly Tied for Congress in 2010 The Republican Party's relatively strong position on the generic ballot in the latest poll, conducted Oct. 1-4, stems from the support of political independents, who now favor Republican over Democratic candidates by 45% to 36% Gallup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moderate Man Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Somehow, American politics always leaves me thoroughly dissatisfied. Where is the discussion of real issues? A back-and-forth of soundbites between Democratic and Republican spokesmen doesn't count. I mean, where is the political discourse? The two-party system has a lot to do with it, but surely there must be some other factors. Perhaps it's because the United States' political arena has become so desensitized to the pervasive influence of private power that it isn't even a topic of discussion, even after this latest economic crisis and the massive bailout packages. The most anyone could muster was some undirected 'populist' anger, which has so far achieved nil. I'm not aware of any significant movement to create a political alternative capable of challenging the status quo. It would be something if a third party like the Greens could build up its voter base and actually stand a chance of winning national elections. The electoral system has something to do with their failure thus far, but it is probably also due to entrenched attitudes and modes of thought, as well as political apathy and a widespread feeling that one is powerless to change anything in the world of politics. Perhaps middle class America remains complacent because, when all is said and done, even post-economic crisis they enjoy incredibly affluent (not to say decadent) lifestyles compared to most of the world, and so they don't really care all that much about politics (though this is not true for the millions of Americans who make up the working poor; they probably feel more exhausted and helpless than anything). This isn't much of an excuse, though, because Canada (with comparable living standards) has a markedly more pluralistic political landscape. I'm still trying to understand why America is so far off the trajectory of most of the Western, developed world. Incidentally, I do think that the Democrats are marginally better than the Republicans (God help us if McCain had won; it would have been disastrous for America's reputation in the world, among other things). They are somewhat more receptive to movements for social change and progressive legislation, though only when they find it politically useful (not due to anything approaching principles or values). Obama is obviously an improvement over Bush, in too many ways to list, but he's hardly made radical policy shifts (look at Afghanistan and his hesitancy to prosecute those responsible for curbing freedoms and countenancing acts of torture). Let's also not forget that his healthcare reform, branded the 'public option', still falls short of universal single-payer healthcare (which the Democrats believe is not politically feasible because the Republicans would stand on the sidelines shouting 'Socialism!'; oh wait, they already have anyway). At least the Obama administration hasn't resorted to wooing the least informed and playing to various kneejerk responses that linger in the American psyche against government involvement in social policy (apparently, a massive defence budget doesn't count as 'government spending', nor do tax cuts to the wealthy or corporate welfare). Meanwhile, his Afghanistan policy is not particularly more enlightened, and the U.S. is still in Iraq (though a timetable less ambitious than the one he originally promised has been set). Ultimately, Obama and the Democrats are still supporters of American global hegemony and they pose no serious challenge to the status quo because they are an integral part of that status quo. Perhaps one day American politics will mature to the point that there is a greater diversity of opinion (more independent and globally-conscious media would help a lot). Until that time, American politics is bound to be rather depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 .....Ultimately, Obama and the Democrats are still supporters of American global hegemony and they pose no serious challenge to the status quo because they are an integral part of that status quo. Perhaps one day American politics will mature to the point that there is a greater diversity of opinion (more independent and globally-conscious media would help a lot). Until that time, American politics is bound to be rather depressing. Not very likely, because American political leadership is ultimately focused inward by design, not offered up for global review or approval. Another member has correctly identified why this is so.....unlike many other nations, America has nobody to run to for help. Still, it is far from depressing compared to the political circumstances elsewhere in places that pretend to be "globally conscious" ( with OPM....other peoples money). This forum devotes a lot of bandwidth to US politics and American events in general.....must be a reason for that. ...still waiting for the "China Politics" area ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) Out lier Shads? Or is this Republicans defeating themselves again. Why wasn't I worrying again? http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/200...ersey-governor/ Edited October 9, 2009 by punked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Out lier Shads? Or is this Republicans defeating themselves again. Why wasn't I worrying again?http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/200...ersey-governor/ LOL, nice source. A poll by James Carville and Stanley Greenberg. Gee, what a coincidence that their poll is the first one showing the Democrat leading. Can I post polls done by Karl Rove? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 LOL, nice source. A poll by James Carville and Stanley Greenberg. Gee, what a coincidence that their poll is the first one showing the Democrat leading. Can I post polls done by Karl Rove? Funny their poll was the first out to show a 4 point gap then Gallup said the samething 4 days later, then Rasmussen said the samething the next week. I can't help it if they point out the trends can I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Funny their poll was the first out to show a 4 point gap then Gallup said the samething 4 days later, then Rasmussen said the samething the next week. I can't help it if they point out the trends can I? Yeah, sure they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Yeah, sure they did. Want another one? http://publicmind.fdu.edu/catchup/corzinecatchesup.pdf There you go we are at two polls saying the same thing. Republicans love to destroy themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hey Shady "An interesting bit of movement in several recent polls of presidential favorability and approval. Most recent polls show an uptick in the president's numbers. The most notable bump has come from Gallup, where the president's net approval has gone from +7 (50-43) to +20 (56-36) in less than a week. Meanwhile, two other pollsters (Ipsos/McClatchy and CBS) also have the President sitting at 56% job approval, among his best numbers in the past two months." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hey Shady"An interesting bit of movement in several recent polls of presidential favorability and approval. Most recent polls show an uptick in the president's numbers. The most notable bump has come from Gallup, where the president's net approval has gone from +7 (50-43) to +20 (56-36) in less than a week. Meanwhile, two other pollsters (Ipsos/McClatchy and CBS) also have the President sitting at 56% job approval, among his best numbers in the past two months." Gee...that's swell......President Bush was at 88% job approval at this time in 2001. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Gee...that's swell......President Bush was at 88% job approval at this time in 2001. And Regan was at 43% by this time in 81. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 And Regan was at 43% by this time in 81. Exactly.....Bush beat them both by 2 furlongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Exactly.....Bush beat them both by 2 furlongs. It isn't about where you start the race it is where you finish. Where did Bush finish again? Behind Carter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 It isn't about where you start the race it is where you finish. Where did Bush finish again? Behind Carter? Nope...Carter never got the chance to run a second lap.....DNF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Nope...Carter never got the chance to run a second lap.....DNF. Like Nixon and Ford. Behind Clinton for sure though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Like Nixon and Ford. Behind Clinton for sure though. Now you've got it......one and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Gee...that's swell......President Bush was at 88% job approval at this time in 2001. Nothing like having an outside threat to get everyone on the same page to support the President. This is the only reason his numbers ever got that high. Also the reason why his numbers got so low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Nothing like having an outside threat to get everyone on the same page to support the President. This is the only reason his numbers ever got that high. Also the reason why his numbers got so low. Whatever.....he'll take the good with the bad. Cue.....Can't Touch This by MC Hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Poll shows Specter staring at 'near fatal' 31 percent re-election figure Link Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Poll Shows BOTH Both Democrats Lead Toomey Joe Sestak would defeat likely GOP nominee Pat Toomey in an election. The surprising twist: Sestak (43-38) actually fares better than does Specter (46-43). http://www.grassrootspa.com/blogcore/pdf/PASen10-7-2009.pdf OUCH SUCKS TO BE SHADY right after his claim on Spector this Poll comes out to make him look the fool again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 The poll I linked to was released TODAY, your's is old news you're trying to pass off as current. Nice try. 59 percent believe it's time to give someone else a chance, a state poll released today shows. Specter, 79, of Philadelphia holds a 44-16 percent lead over Rep. Joe Sestak, his challenger in the 2010 primary. Looks like Specter will win this party's primary and then lose in the general. Escpecially when almost 60% of voters think it's time to give someone else a chance. Bye-bye Arlen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 The poll I linked to was released TODAY, your's is old news you're trying to pass off as current. Nice try.59 percent believe it's time to give someone else a chance, a state poll released today shows. Specter, 79, of Philadelphia holds a 44-16 percent lead over Rep. Joe Sestak, his challenger in the 2010 primary. Looks like Specter will win this party's primary and then lose in the general. Escpecially when almost 60% of voters think it's time to give someone else a chance. Bye-bye Arlen! The Poll I Linked too was released a week ago and says your guy is losing. Hello Democratics you are here to say. Yep there are a lot of Democrats who think Joe Sestak should get a chance but if he doesn't win wont vote for Toomey. Sorry Shady you are all spin. Show me the match up numbers between Toomey and Specter. Ohhhh you wont because Specter is winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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