Why many Canadian people have inaccurate knowledge of China

[bjre]

I assume you have evidence to support your suposition? I look forward to reading the evidence to back up your opinions but I doubt you'll be able to produce it. You're awefully quick to produce articles against the west. Simply stating that they are lies doesn't make it so. I have produced evidence with citation to back up my position. Can you do the same?

Those are not evidence, nothing to prove the data can be trusted, they are from professional writers hired by anti-China organizations.

BTW, I am not against west, I am anti evil behavior.

Edited June 18, 2009 by bjre

[Moonbox]

Dirty political lies, in 1950 there was no one child policy, government even encourage people to have more children at that time.

The problem with your brainwashed claims is that there are millions of Chinese immigrants in North America and they themselves have the exact same stories you call lies. You can pretend it's all made up by western media, but when you live around Toronto, and have hundreds of Chinese acquaintances and friends, you get their side of the story as well. Strangely enough, they say the same things as Western Media does, and strangely enough, a lot of them say that's why they left China in the first place.

[bush_cheney2004]

..... Strangely enough, they say the same things as Western Media does, and strangely enough, a lot of them say that's why they left China in the first place.

Yes....why they leave China paradise for evil West? More China Buffets than McDonalds.

[Dave_ON]

Those are not evidence, nothing to prove the data can be trusted, they are from professional writers hired by anti-China organizations.

BTW, I am not against west, I am anti evil behavior.

do you have evidence to back up this claim? Evidence or even a link to support that the were writting by anti-china organizations? If not it is nothing more than you opinion.

If you're anti-evil behaviour why can you not accept the evil that China has perpetrated? Is the west the sole proprieter of all things evil?

[bjre]

The problem with your brainwashed claims is that there are millions of Chinese immigrants in North America and they themselves have the exact same stories you call lies. You can pretend it's all made up by western media, but when you live around Toronto, and have hundreds of Chinese acquaintances and friends, you get their side of the story as well. Strangely enough, they say the same things as Western Media does, and strangely enough, a lot of them say that's why they left China in the first place.

Yes, there are hundreds are make living on democracy movement for China, how poor they are, I would wish them to learn some real skills that can help them to find a real job.

And there are tens of thousands of people who are proud of their mother land China who are living and working in Canada and pay tax, part of the tax has been given to the hundreds you mentions through governement.

[Tawasakm]

I am curious. What makes everyone believe that bjre actually lives in Canada? Who is to say that he does not live in China and regards that claim as a clever tool which will assist him in seeding his particular brand of propaganda.

[bjre]

I am curious. What makes everyone believe that bjre actually lives in Canada? Who is to say that he does not live in China and regards that claim as a clever tool which will assist him in seeding his particular brand of propaganda.

No matter where I am living in, I am a human being that can thinking and have opinion.

Just like you are typing in Australia.

Unlike those just believes media propaganda.

[bjre]

Do you think you would even be allowed to post anything negative about China or its government?

I use the popular Chinese search engine in China search "government" "Error"

I found 8.9 million results:

http://www.baidu.com/s?wd=%D5%FE%B8%AE+%B4...%FE%B8%AE+cuowu

Here is one of the result it is from a public forum: The poster believes government made 3 error decisions.

http://bbs.swzx.com/thread-28419-1-1.html

Here is a blog in China. The author talk about corrupt government officers.

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5fb0353f0100dlre.html

One of the comment of this blog suggest schools stop teaching Marxism, Teaching classic Chinese philosophy instead. It is very negative to government. (Ask someone who know Chinese to verify it if you like.)

Edited June 18, 2009 by bjre

[Moonbox]

We can't read Chinese. Criticism on the internet for the Chinese government doesn't mean that the Chinese government doesn't censor a lot of the criticism it finds.

[bjre]

We can't read Chinese. Criticism on the internet for the Chinese government doesn't mean that the Chinese government doesn't censor a lot of the criticism it finds.

At least it can prove that "not allowed to post anything negative about China or its government", which is believed by many Canadians, is inaccurate knowledge about China.

8 million results, it is very popular, I don't think any censor can not find it even I can find it with such an easy search.

I did not say China has no censorship on internet.

US has censorship, Canada also has it:

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=1699304

It's not surprising that the CHRC gave itself a glowing review this time. But what is remarkable is that, far from being chastened by the public condemnation its bad behaviour has provoked, the CHRC has called for even more censorship in Canada.

So it's not just a speech crime. It's an emotion crime, too.

That's an un-Canadian law, and it's an embarrassment that an organization with the words "human rights" as its middle name would be behind such an attack on our civil liberties.

What's new is the CHRC's suggestion that Canada's Criminal Code be stripped of its free speech protections, too.

How perverse is that? A human rights agency is telling the police to reduce its commitment to civil liberties. Could you imagine a genuine human rights activist -- say, Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King -- calling for more power for the police and less for political dissidents? If a government agency like the CHRC had been around in the United States in the 1960s, or India in the 1940s, is there any doubt that it would have prosecuted King and Gandhi for saying things that "exposed" people to "contempt"?

Edited June 19, 2009 by bjre

[Tawasakm]

bjre I am not questioning your right to your own opinions and your right to express them. I am wondering at the claim you live in Canada. Your 'angle' seems far more consistent with somebody living within the Peoples Republic. I was thinking that you may have been claiming Canadian residency in an attempt to give yourself more legitimacy.

[Moonbox]

At least it can prove that "not allowed to post anything negative about China or its government", which is believed by many Canadians, is inaccurate knowledge about China.

8 million results, it is very popular, I don't think any censor can not find it even I can find it with such an easy search.

I did not say China has no censorship on internet.

US has censorship, Canada also has it:

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=1699304

Our censorship is to block junk like kiddie porn, beastiality and racial hate. China's censors are to hide the truth from their own people. The Chinese government, just like the Stalin USSR and the North Koreans, does not want a well-informed populace that questions what they do.

I'm not saying the Chinese people haven't done good things. I'm saying the Chinese government holds China back from being respected by the world.

[benny]

Why many Canadian people have inaccurate knowledge of China? When a giant is waking up beside you, your fear may impair your reason for a while.

[bjre]

Our censorship is to block junk like kiddie porn, beastiality and racial hate. China's censors are to hide the truth from their own people. The Chinese government, just like the Stalin USSR and the North Koreans, does not want a well-informed populace that questions what they do.

I'm not saying the Chinese people haven't done good things. I'm saying the Chinese government holds China back from being respected by the world.

China's censors are used to block junk like porn.

About the truth from their own people. That is the topic of this thread. The fact is lots of your knowledges are not correct, because the media does not always give you truth, it gives you many lies and cheatings as well. That is why you have so many inaccurity knowledge about China and many other topics.

The follwing are the examples:

The invasion of Iraq — and how the media war was won and lost:

http://www.asiapac.org.fj/cafepacific/reso...raqwarmedia.pdf

The massive “more” of news coverage hardly equalled quality information, which was

lost in the “fog of war”7, and raised alarming questions about media credibility in a

campaign of propaganda, lies, half-truth and spin. Of course, this is nothing new; truth

has always been the first casualty of war, and author Philip Knightley8 had already

warned us about this some months before the invasion began. But according to John

Pilger:

There is something deeply corrupt consuming this craft of mine. It is not a recent

phenomenon; look back on the ‘coverage’ of the First World War by journalists who

were subsequently knighted for their services for the concealment of the truth of that

great slaughter.

What makes the difference today is the technology that produces an avalanche of

repetitive information, which in the United States has been the source of arguably

the most vociferous brainwashing in that country’s history.

A war that was hardly a war, that was so one-sided it ought to be despatched with

shame in the military annals, was reported like a Formula One race, as we watched

the home teams speed to the chequered flag in Baghdad’s Fardus Square, where a

statue of the dictator created and sustained by “us” was pulled down in a ceremony

that was as close to fakery as you could get.9

What is more, media with different voice can be labelled with "falsely report" and be menaced.

US menaces Al Jazeera over Iraq reportage

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/aug2003/aljz-a27.shtml

They can also threat journalists away by shooting them:

Pressure Grows over US Killing of Journalists

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue...journalists.htm

Both were in their hotels. Alongside roughly 100 other journalists from virtually every major international news outlet in the country at the time, Protsyuk and Couso were recouping in an officially recognized safe zone - the Palestine Hotel. But an American tank on the opposite bank of the Tigris River, roughly three-quarters of a mile away, fired directly at the hotel anyway. The US military stated that the incident was a regrettable though unavoidable mistake. However, with the recent release of an investigation by the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists there is new evidence that the incident was in fact entirely avoidable, and a Spanish judge is being asked to file formal extradition charges against the responsible three US military officers.

Even in domastic problems:

http://corruptioncentral.com/?p=736

13 year old Childrens Aid runaway exposes fraud

Posted on October 30th, 2008 by cc

While this 13 year old was hiding from the Kingston Children’s Aid Societies abuse he speaks of the fraudulent misuse of taxpayers money and abuses in the system. CAS worker Kelly DeWolfe was forced to resign after the release of this video. Sudbury CAS lawyer Jean Jacque Paquette (and his flock of CAS workers), Court appointed Children’s Lawyer Patricia Meehan and the handful of judges who conspired to exploit Sudbury’s children will be held accountable.

The video it talking about has been deleted by YouTube: "This video has been removed due to terms of use violation. "

Your own country fears its people know the truth. That is the fact.

Edited June 19, 2009 by bjre

[Argus]

No matter where I am living in, I am a human being that can thinking and have opinion..

I don't think so. You clearly don't put any effort into thinking, and your opinion is what the party tells you it should be.

[Argus]

I'm not saying the Chinese people haven't done good things.

Like what for instance?

[Argus]

BTW, I am not against west, I am anti evil behavior.

Not true, or you would be against China.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Evil is different things to different people.

[Argus]

Evil is different things to different people.

Killing little girls because you think boys are more important is evil by any definition - except, apparently, in China.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Killing little girls because you think boys are more important is evil by any definition - except, apparently, in China.

They have population pressures there, women breed more humans. In olden times they didn't bring much wealth to the family either. Their attitude is old school to say the least. Evil by your standards, mine too, but not to their minds.

All I am saying is that they are the oldest surviving civilization, they managed to get from there to here and tell the tale. That makes them a little different and makes them think they are superior in some respects. That makes them difficult to deal with.

[xul]

bjre I am not questioning your right to your own opinions and your right to express them. I am wondering at the claim you live in Canada. Your 'angle' seems far more consistent with somebody living within the Peoples Republic. I was thinking that you may have been claiming Canadian residency in an attempt to give yourself more legitimacy.

So people's ideology depend on where they live in?

What is Canada's standard ideology? Only with which kind of ideology a person can live in Canada or being Canadian? Maybe if one-day these would-be human-rights protectors take over power here, Canadian immigration and citizenship officers will need brain detectors to decide who would fit being Canadian.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

So people's ideology depend on where they live in?

To a certain degree it does, but only because of different levels of education and standards of living.

What is Canada's standard ideology?

We use capitalistic/democracy, our version, not the American one.

Only with which kind of ideology a person can live in Canada or being Canadian? Maybe if one-day these would-be human-rights protectors take over power here, Canadian immigration and citizenship officers will need brain detectors to decide who would fit being Canadian.

We already attempt to screen immigrants, but we are not very good at it though. We have no fixed requirements for ideology, it is a free nation. In fact most of our immigrants are hyphenated Canadians, as in French-Canadian or Chinese-Canadian.

[bush_cheney2004]

We use capitalistic/democracy, our version, not the American one.

Classic UnCola moment.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Classic UnCola moment.

Yes it is! Yet it is true is it not?

[xul]

Many Canadians have false knowledge of China.

Exactly Canadians have false knowledge on everything---just look at this forum, such as "Ignatieff is a flake", "Harper is a fraud", "Layton is a sucker",...,etc, for instance.

Political smear is a part of the way the system works on....and other nations are the same. American and Canada are neighbours, do you think the media of both side have never smeared each other? If you search this forum, you will find a lot of such kind of "hot" posts.

Being smeared is not sheer bad thing, because that means others is about to treat you as their equal. The forum for one, you hardly see a poster smearing Marijuana and Green, I guess it jsut because they are too small not to be considered as threat to others.

Nevertheless there still are a lot of critics on China are correct or partly correct. And I don't think China's nowaday achievement are all due to CPC's leadership. CPC is not equivalent with China just as British King is not equivalent with British or Canada. The only reason of keeping such things here is that they are the remains of history and removing them off may be too risky to divide the nation and may cost more than keeping them, so it is wise to leave the problem to the future to deal with.