Oleg Bach Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 Iran is proud enough not to be interested to compete with the West – like China is - on the economic front. The Persians are a high level ancient culture. Yes they are proud..the pride has been kicked out of China - their genocide was much more intense than any Iranian revolution could ever be. Quote
bjre Posted June 20, 2009 Author Report Posted June 20, 2009 The Persians are a high level ancient culture. Yes they are proud..the pride has been kicked out of China - their genocide was much more intense than any Iranian revolution could ever be. The genocide is what west give China. Use their guns fighting with knife and sticks. Countless dead, just like in Americans with native people. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
benny Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 The Persians are a high level ancient culture. Yes they are proud..the pride has been kicked out of China - their genocide was much more intense than any Iranian revolution could ever be. Yes the Chinese cultural revolution was much more absurd than the Iran one. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 Yes the Chinese cultural revolution was much more absurd than the Iran one. Absurd - I can see them killing aristocrats - that's standard fair for revolutions - but they had common peasants so enthrawled that they were killing each other. Quote
bjre Posted June 20, 2009 Author Report Posted June 20, 2009 Yes the Chinese cultural revolution was much more absurd than the Iran one. How about Canadian residential schools? Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 Absurd - I can see them killing aristocrats - that's standard fair for revolutions - but they had common peasants so enthrawled that they were killing each other. Yea.....better to "kill" the Redcoats! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 Absurd - I can see them killing aristocrats - that's standard fair for revolutions - but they had common peasants so enthrawled that they were killing each other. Only the Chinese Cultural Revolution was such a carnival-like event. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 Yea.....better to "kill" the Redcoats! You back again? You have to stop sneaking up on me like that... do I look like I am wearing red? This has been facinating - and YOU - I am very proud of you for not eating something that you would be hungry after 20 minutes...you were gracious - so where is this ugly American thing I hear about ---You are slipping bud - you have a rep - now get nasty for gods sake.. :rolleyes Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 You back again? You have to stop sneaking up on me like that... do I look like I am wearing red? This has been facinating - and YOU - I am very proud of you for not eating something that you would be hungry after 20 minutes...you were gracious - so where is this ugly American thing I hear about ---You are slipping bud - you have a rep - now get nasty for gods sake.. :rolleyes I already told you...I'm impressed by results....you know...like the Great Wall. Three Gorges Dam is awsome too. But no self-propelled lawnmower yet? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Oleg Bach Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 I already told you...I'm impressed by results....you know...like the Great Wall. Three Gorges Dam is awsome too. But no self-propelled lawnmower yet? Don't you dare send them the plans to your B&S mower---You could start a re- revolution...you do know a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing - now -----put the mower in the garden shed and put a lock on it....you are a securtiy risk BC... Lucky their English is so bad...they see the word self propelled and imagine it to be a flying machine with a prop...lucky you this time... Why do I suddenly feel like the mis-information dept? Quote
bjre Posted June 20, 2009 Author Report Posted June 20, 2009 . But no self-propelled lawnmower yet? if you go back to post #178 ( http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=432769 ) you will find I made some change on it. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Oleg Bach Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 if you go back to post #178 ( http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....st&p=432769 ) you will find I made some change on it. My work day is over --- will look tomorrow--- it's almost fathers day - and I have gin waiting. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 Don't you dare send them the plans to your B&S mower---You could start a re- revolution...you do know a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing - now -----put the mower in the garden shed and put a lock on it....you are a securtiy risk BC... Lucky their English is so bad...they see the word self propelled and imagine it to be a flying machine with a prop...lucky you this time... Why do I suddenly feel like the mis-information dept? Chinese have a big small engine gap.....they cannot rule the world until they rule internal combustion. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bjre Posted June 20, 2009 Author Report Posted June 20, 2009 Chinese have a big small engine gap.....they cannot rule the world until they rule internal combustion. Real Chinese are not westerner, they never think of rule the world, they care more about their own family only. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
xul Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) China will not be credible until such talk is replaced by action. I remember General Douglas MacArthur said that in 1950. I was ever a fan on the stories of wars when I was a boy though I'm never a fan of war itself---thousands maybe millions of soldiers on both side killed each others in the good faith of that the other side was so evil, that's the politicians told them, mostly inaccuracy , and when the war ended and the soldiers came home, they found sadly the world was not so different. The CEO of the GMBH who once built cinerators for Nazi was still the CEO of the GMBH, now maybe built boilers for American warships, meanwhile the poor Brit before he got the uniform still kept poor and had to go to Canada for a $8/h payed job after took off the uniform. It's kinda sarcastic. If I try to find some positive function of war, I will say that people has learned from wars that smearing and underestimating their opponent's ability and resolution is the shortcut to go into a war, but usually more harmful to themselves more than to other sides, and going into a war usually is a loss-loss solution to both side. This is why the world has generally kept peace between main powers for over 60 years. If you review your own country's history objectively, you will find that you can hardly say that American wins a lot of wars after WW2. The Korean War is the first, Vietnam War is the second, then in Somalia, and now in Iraq and Afghanistan. All this wars are full of surprise because American has the tendency of underestimating their rivals, and refuse to consider the warning from their rivals, allies (like some "left-wing" Canadian ), or even your own veterans.(I think Colin Powell have warned Rumsfeld the dangerous factors of Iraq War, and I remember in Dick Nixon's autobiography, he said when he visted Douglas MacArthur in early 1960s, after he failed the election vs Kennedy, the retired General warned politicians "never go into the 'Asian mouseholes' ", Nixon said he reported to Kennedy but this time it seemed no one considering McArthur's opinion. ) Maybe some American or Russian may say, we did win the WW2 and became superpowers---that's also an inaccuracy understanding of the history. Exactly the fact is America and Russia were the last two went into the war and the first ones, German, British and France, have all fellen now, saying nothing of that US and Soviet are far bigger than the loser-three and their economic strength might have already exceeded others before the war began. Edited June 20, 2009 by xul Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 The losers of the second world war became the economic winners a few decades later. There is good reason for that, but that is not the point. History is seldom written by the losers, so the story is told by the winners with all the propaganda that goes with it. This is merely the modern version of "to the victor goes the spoils". In point of fact, war is the end result of failed diplomacy. Two world wars resulted in the same net outcome, attempted world government. Which of course did not and will not work in the manner that they were designed. The League of Nations and the United Nations have both failed in their attempts to mitigate peace in an uncertain world. The simple truth is that politics is divisive by any stretch of the imagination. The harsh reality is that disparity is now visible in a way it was never visible before. Peoples from all over the world can now communicate without the need of governments and diplomats and word travels far and wide. Governments are becoming less useful and more of a hindrance to the distribution of wealth naturally created through production and profit. In my mind the entire monetary system and the entire financial system that used to be highly regulated by nations is taking on a global context based on macro-economic formulas that serve the corporate instead of public purpose. The individual is being slowly marginalized in favour of the corporate effort. International trade and international lobbyists now have a far greater influence on governments than the citizens. All roads used to lead to Rome, and all economic efforts now lead to financing. In a world full of productive efforts to serve the needs, wants and desires of the people the most visible component within the system is money. Money may well be the root of all evil, yet there is little or nothing that can be done without it. So where does this take us? It takes us to the monetary system of currencies, debts, and interest rates. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 I remember General Douglas MacArthur said that in 1950. He was fired by Truman. I was ever a fan on the stories of wars when I was a boy though I'm never a fan of war itself---thousands maybe millions of soldiers on both side killed each others in the good faith of that the other side was so evil, that's the politicians told them, mostly inaccuracy So why did Chinese kill each other? If I try to find some positive function of war, I will say that people has learned from wars that smearing and underestimating their opponent's ability and resolution is the shortcut to go into a war, but usually more harmful to themselves more than to other sides, and going into a war usually is a loss-loss solution to both side. This is why the world has generally kept peace between main powers for over 60 years. Not peaceful at all...it was a Cold War...millions died. If you review your own country's history objectively, you will find that you can hardly say that American wins a lot of wars after WW2. The Korean War is the first, Vietnam War is the second, then in Somalia, and now in Iraq and Afghanistan. All this wars are full of surprise because American has the tendency of underestimating their rivals, and refuse to consider the warning from their rivals, allies (like some "left-wing" Canadian ), or even your own veterans. Even when America loses...it wins. (I think Colin Powell have warned Rumsfeld the dangerous factors of Iraq War, and I remember in Dick Nixon's autobiography, he said when he visted Douglas MacArthur in early 1960s, after he failed the election vs Kennedy, the retired General warned politicians "never go into the 'Asian mouseholes' ", Nixon said he reported to Kennedy but this time it seemed no one considering McArthur's opinion. ) Afghanistan is part of Asia....no? Maybe some American or Russian may say, we did win the WW2 and became superpowers---that's also an inaccuracy understanding of the history. Exactly the fact is America and Russia were the last two went into the war and the first ones, German, British and France, have all fellen now, saying nothing of that US and Soviet are far bigger than the loser-three and their economic strength might have already exceeded others before the war began. Poland would not agree with your version of history. China was hapless then...Americans and others slayed China's enemy. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) He was fired by Truman.So why did Chinese kill each other? Not peaceful at all...it was a Cold War...millions died. Even when America loses...it wins. Afghanistan is part of Asia....no? Poland would not agree with your version of history. China was hapless then...Americans and others slayed China's enemy. It is so easy to be American with so much virgin territories to spoil in the New World! Edited June 20, 2009 by benny Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 It is so easy to be American with so much virgin territories to spoil in the New World! ....and Mars too! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 Colonized it! We already have.....with Yankee Doodle robots. Copy that...China! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 We already have.....with Yankee Doodle robots. Copy that...China! China is family-oriented! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 China is family-oriented! Except in Tibet. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) Except in Tibet. Middle Ages is not maturity. Edited June 20, 2009 by benny Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2009 Report Posted June 20, 2009 Middle Ages is not maturity. So ancient culture and values mean nothing....same for China? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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