DogOnPorch Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Meanwhile...Arab weapons apparently grow on trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Meanwhile...Arab weapons apparently grow on trees. Briefly knew an actual international arms dealer - they always arm both sides with the blessing of their governments - money is more important to some than human life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) Israel gets some weapons from the US. Not most. As well, the vast majority of these weapons/equipment have no bearing on the Palestinian situation. Rather, the gear is meant to counter Syria and Iran...and does. If it was countering or deterring Iran, Ahmadinejad would not be its president. Edited June 16, 2009 by benny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 If it was countering or deterring Iran, Ahmadinejad would not be its president. As usual, you write words that mean something when taken individually but make no sense when put together. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Briefly knew an actual international arms dealer - they always arm both sides with the blessing of their governments - money is more important to some than human life. Complete BULLSHIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Complete BULLSHIT. Your record is broken! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 mr. wrong man. clown? big fuckup. I can sense you are definitely an experienced and skilled debater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Your record is broken! You're free to show me where the same "arms dealers" sell both Israel and the Arabs weapons. Not that you're capable of such a post. See this picture? It's an Uzi. Made in Israel. See this? It's an AK-47. Made in Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 If it was countering or deterring Iran, Ahmadinejad would not be its president. So you're advocating an Israeli invasion of Iran to topple its government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 So you're advocating an Israeli invasion of Iran to topple its government? I'm proposing that Israel become only the name of a Jewish neighborhood, next to the Lamentation Wall, inside a Palestinian state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I can sense you are definitely an experienced and skilled debater. you're not debating, Bonam. pretty much everything you wrote was a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 you're not debating, Bonam. pretty much everything you wrote was a lie. We debate to detect lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Apart from my statement about population densities, which I double checked and it turns out the statistics I saw for the West Bank and Gaza were quite outdated, everything else I stated was correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I'm proposing that Israel become only the name of a Jewish neighborhood, next to the Lamentation Wall, inside a Palestinian state. Good luck with that proposal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMASINNER Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 So would Canada....so what. Aree you kidding me. Typical American who thinks they are indestructable. Your nation caused the economic crisis we are in. We are still sitting fairly pretty up here. Have fun without Canada's oil. We import more oil to the US than any of the the Middle eastern nations combined. Can't run your tanks without it. Sorry to hijack the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrustyKidd Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 you lie as well krusty. i never said "Israel immediately rejected Partition". either show this comment i made or STFU.i said israel rejected the partition because they rejected the border outlined That's right you didn't and is why I said that you tried to say they. If you meant that they accepted it at one time and then, once they realized the Arabs were attacking them (the Israelis as you know maintained the Partition borders from the passing of Res 181 until they were attacked in '48 by the Arabs) there was no option other than to fight back from defensive positions and, to take, and hold ground, then now would be a good time to clarify it. So, can you clarify when the Israelis accepted partition please? $3 billion comes in military aid. many of the weapons used by israel is made in the US. i also mentioned the political support that israel receives from the AIPAC friendly US government. not to mention fighting israel's wars, like the iraq war.without US' mothering of israel, israel would flop. US is israel's viagra. And how much of a dent would three billion put on a country with an economy of $200 billion? As I stated earlier, without that aid, Israel could easily make up the shortfall by charging more for the essential services they provide the US. As for you contention of the US mothering Israel, there is a reason for it other than Jewish support. Israel saves the US big dollars by securing that portion of the Middle East from Russian,. Qutbist and other destabilizing factors. This saves the US from having to maintain an expensive political and military presence there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Good luck with that proposal You seem so detached! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Aree you kidding me. Typical American who thinks they are indestructable. Your nation caused the economic crisis we are in. We are still sitting fairly pretty up here.Have fun without Canada's oil. We import more oil to the US than any of the the Middle eastern nations combined. Can't run your tanks without it. Sorry to hijack the thread Our lifestyles (Canada's too) caused the economic 'meltdown'. Too much living beyond one's means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 You seem so detached! You seem so out to lunch. I'm sure Israel will go along with your proposal. Quote some of your chum Zizek's logic at them if they refuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Our lifestyles (Canada's too) caused the economic 'meltdown'. Too much living beyond one's means. Bet that Iran will play also the glacier-meltdown card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 That's right you didn't and is why I said that you tried to say they. If you meant that they accepted it at one time and then, once they realized the Arabs were attacking them (the Israelis as you know maintained the Partition borders from the passing of Res 181 until they were attacked in '48 by the Arabs) there was no option other than to fight back from defensive positions and, to take, and hold ground, then now would be a good time to clarify it.So, can you clarify when the Israelis accepted partition please? they didn't accept the border (the major part of the plan). therefore, they didn't accept the partition. stop trying to reject the obvious. And how much of a dent would three billion put on a country with an economy of $200 billion? more than 20% of israel's military is made in the U.S. like the F16 and the apache's which israel uses often. that would be a pretty huge dent, don't you think? As I stated earlier, without that aid, Israel could easily make up the shortfall by charging more for the essential services they provide the US. As for you contention of the US mothering Israel, there is a reason for it other than Jewish support. Israel saves the US big dollars by securing that portion of the Middle East from Russian,. Qutbist and other destabilizing factors. lol. c'mon now. how is giving israel $3billion a year + spending all the money in iraq saving U.S. money? if you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from comments like that. israel has been a U.S. welfare handout for far too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Israel would only get stronger in the long term as it would develop self-sufficiency in the areas it presently lacks it in. No big loss for them. spending all the money in iraq saving U.S. money? Just FYI, the US invaded Iraq for its own reasons, not "on behalf of Israel". Whatever money the US spends there is not money spent "for Israel". Traditional anti-Jewish propaganda though to try to scapegoat the current woes of the US and its economy on them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 is a perfect example of biopolitics: calling for states where there is only space for refugee camps; freeing Jews from German concentration camps only to concentrate them in other camps. In all that, Germany is the only net winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Germany is the only net winner. How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrustyKidd Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 they didn't accept the border (the major part of the plan). therefore, they didn't accept the partition.stop trying to reject the obvious. They did though right up until they were attacked. Check out the map of Israel from the mandate to the 15 May 1948. Israel adhered to the borders thus proving you wrong. more than 20% of israel's military is made in the U.S. like the F16 and the apache's which israel uses often.that would be a pretty huge dent, don't you think? Israel does not get all of it's military hardware in the form of aid. Most of it they make themselves, some they buy from the US and some they buy from other countries. The amount of aid is three billion, or, 1-1/2% of their economy, not 20% of their military budget. lol. c'mon now. how is giving israel $3billion a year + spending all the money in iraq saving U.S. money?you should refrain from comments like that. israel has been a U.S. welfare handout for far too long Because if Israel was not there, they would have to pay money to whatever was there in the form of aid anyhow, as well as provide military support to keep it from being toppled by unfriendly entity. As well, they would have to construct or modify another port to accept their carriers and, find a closer place than stateside for spare parts. All of this would cost them far more than the aid which they give Israel. On top of that, what the US does with it's own savings or money has nothing to do with your argument. What comment should I refrain from providing Dub? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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