bush_cheney2004 Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 The way power is currently misused is more like: people like Cheney (neo-cons.) needed Bush only to maximize patriotism. Well then I guess it worked, because American "patriotism" was certainly bolstered after 9/11....with a serious hard on for attacking Al Qaeda anywhere it exists. First up...Afghanistan.....NOT IRAQ. Funny how that works...huh? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
segnosaur Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Oh, and what exactly was supposed to be the benefit to Bush? He didn't exactly last any longer in power, the war-time spending is a detriment to getting the economy working. Bush himself was not an owner in any of the weapons companies or businesses that would benefit from the attack. The way power is currently misused is more like: people like Cheney (neo-cons.) needed Bush only to maximize patriotism. Still waiting to hear how Cheney or other neo-cons would have benefitted.... As I said before, the republicans are out of power, and will likely remain so for the forseeable future. The economy is in shambles, so its not like there's not much wealth for the neocons to earn. I also have to wonder... if the neo-cons (or whatever shadowy conspiricy group was involved) were so powerful and so capable of orchestrating an attack involving multiple planes/buildings, something that would have required thousands of people to pull off, then why didn't they just plant some WMD in Iraq? After all, they would have had no problem with deception, and since they obviously had some middle east contacts they would have been able to sneak in and hid a few kilos of anthrax under Saddam's pillow. Quote
benny Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Only when nothing can possibly hide itself behind a head of state will political power be well used. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 tango, My point is it was a controversial decision even with the attack on the WTC, and certainly the American people would not have agreed to the war without the WTC attack. So there was good motivation for Bush to engineer mass destruction and maximum death. The American people have agreed to the first Iraq war. The WMD got them to agree to the 2nd Iraq war. And I'm no fan of Bush either, but it's quite another thing to casually say that he would murder 3000 of his own people - not even his enemies but his own kind - corporate Northeastern conservatives just like him. That's the work of an utter monster and psychopath, the likes of which hasn't been seen since Pol Pot - and even he killed perceived enemies. It's very unhealthy for a society to dehumanize political opponents in this way, and I'm disheartened by it. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
segnosaur Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Only when nothing can possibly hide itself behind a head of state will political power be well used. ...it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. (William Shakespeare's Macbeth) Really, are you actually capable in speaking (or writing) in anything other than slogans? So where was the benefit to Bush or other neocons over 9/11? And where exactly is your description of how the events actually happened? Who was involved? And when? Are you ever going to answer that, or do we just get the benefit of more empty-headed slogans? Quote
benny Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) tango,The American people have agreed to the first Iraq war. The WMD got them to agree to the 2nd Iraq war. And I'm no fan of Bush either, but it's quite another thing to casually say that he would murder 3000 of his own people - not even his enemies but his own kind - corporate Northeastern conservatives just like him. That's the work of an utter monster and psychopath, the likes of which hasn't been seen since Pol Pot - and even he killed perceived enemies. It's very unhealthy for a society to dehumanize political opponents in this way, and I'm disheartened by it. A cynic (Bush) who is attacking other cynics doesn't deserve or need to be called a monster. Edited April 20, 2009 by benny Quote
GostHacked Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 http://video.asterpix.com/v/20074401/911-w...-by-ladihawk57/ 1st of 3 part series, asks more questions than answers. This is one of the few vids that seems to catch things the other 9/11 vids miss. This does not go into who and why, but it shows what could be explosions. I am sure you all will all ready make up your mind before you watch it. But give this one a chance. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-91...1+cbc&dur=3 5th Estate documentary. I know there are a shitload of 911 docs out there, but these stand out as the best two I have seen so far. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) Personally, I think the WTC collapse was caused by Islamic terrorists flying loaded planes travelling @ 300kts into them. Call me crazy. Edited April 20, 2009 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
tango Posted April 20, 2009 Author Report Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) tango,The American people have agreed to the first Iraq war. The WMD got them to agree to the 2nd Iraq war. And I'm no fan of Bush either, but it's quite another thing to casually say that he would murder 3000 of his own people - not even his enemies but his own kind - corporate Northeastern conservatives just like him. That's the work of an utter monster and psychopath, the likes of which hasn't been seen since Pol Pot - and even he killed perceived enemies. It's very unhealthy for a society to dehumanize political opponents in this way, and I'm disheartened by it. Bush is a Texan, a southern 'oil man', not a "Northeastern conservative" financier. Bush is no longer a political opponent at all, and he never was one of mine as I'm Canadian. Yes the WTC it is the work of monsters ... sociopaths, actually, whether Al Quaeda or American. And I think you will find some support for the possibility that he was surrounded by them. Do the names Cheney and Rove ring a bell? All that's required to be a sociopath is to have no conscience, and they cannot be detected in ordinary interaction. http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us...paths-our-world To help understand this peculiar situation, I have repeatedly recommended that us ordinary folks read a book by Dr Martha Stout, entitled: The Sociopath Next Door: 1 in 25 ordinary Americans secretly has no conscience and can do anything they want without feeling guilty. ... Some professionals believe that a disproportionate number of politicians and corporate executives are sociopaths, drawn to power like a moth to a flame. We have no problem in accepting that Hitler, Stalin, bin Laden, and hundreds of others guilty of murdering multitudes of innocent ordinary people are sociopaths. But when it comes to our own leaders, somehow we cannot accept that many of them are driven by similar forces we're not able to feel nor understand. How many times have you wondered how such extremists imagine they can get away with their aberrant behavior? It's because you have a conscience, and they do not. Certainly, GwB, Cheney, Rove & Co, along with their NeoCON string pullers, fit the definition. Daily involved in murder, not one of them has ever expressed sincere feelings of guilt nor remorse for their actions. Sociopaths cannot. A sociopath can look you right in your eye, and tell you lies without blinking. It happens to us every day. Usually sociopaths hide themselves behind a pretense of being able to feel what the rest of us feel. Their very survival depends on being able to blend in, by imitating what they see around them, but cannot themselves feel, ever. Those most successful are those who con us best. Sociopaths are drawn to positions of power, of course, and we have no screening mechanism to keep them out of politics that I am aware of. 1 in 25 ... 1 in every classroom ... think back people ... do you know who the sociopath in your classroom was? They might be the bullies ... especially the sly and cunning bullies who get others to do their dirty work for them. It's naive to think we don't have them in politics in Canada too. It's disheartening to me when people de-humanize the defenceless poor, as has also been done on this discussion board. You are not seriously suggesting Bush had altruistic motives for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? Edited April 20, 2009 by tango Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
GostHacked Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Personally, I think the WTC collapse was caused by Islamic terrorists flying loaded planes travelling @ 300kts into them. Call me crazy. It's quite unfortunate we can't use personal views as evidence here. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 It's quite unfortunate we can't use personal views as evidence here. Because my position re: 9-11 is soooooooo unique. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Michael Hardner Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 tango Bush is a Texan, a southern 'oil man', not a "Northeastern conservative" financier. He was born in Connecticut, his family is New England old money. He spent some time in Texas during his formative years, then went back to New England for his education. The Texan image was forged for political reasons. As for the rest of your post - it makes me think that GW Bush is just an image to you, and not a real person. Otherwise, you wouldn't just toss off an accusation of mass murder of his fellow countrymen, I'm sure. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
benny Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 One doesn't understand politics as long as s/he doesn't act AS IF any event was a conspiracy. Power is not something human can give up, it is something that can only be grab. In other words, politically-savvy people don't wait or search for the facts, they are making them. Quote
tango Posted April 21, 2009 Author Report Posted April 21, 2009 tangoHe was born in Connecticut, his family is New England old money. He spent some time in Texas during his formative years, then went back to New England for his education. The Texan image was forged for political reasons. As for the rest of your post - it makes me think that GW Bush is just an image to you, and not a real person. Otherwise, you wouldn't just toss off an accusation of mass murder of his fellow countrymen, I'm sure. I already believe Bush to be a sociopath. How many US soldiers have died in Iraq and Afghanistan now? For WHAT???? I certainly believe 9/11 needs to be properly investigated, and that it has not been yet. That in itself is suspicious. It is also suspicious to me that some people are so vehemently opposed to investigation. I believe there is a lot of fear of what the truth might hold. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
benny Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 (edited) I already believe Bush to be a sociopath. How many US soldiers have died in Iraq and Afghanistan now?For WHAT???? I certainly believe 9/11 needs to be properly investigated, and that it has not been yet. That in itself is suspicious. It is also suspicious to me that some people are so vehemently opposed to investigation. I believe there is a lot of fear of what the truth might hold. If Bush is a monster it's because he doesn't care about cleaning his image and bad reputation. He will remain hidden until his death but he should have hid himself from any public office since his inception. Edited April 21, 2009 by benny Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 I already believe Bush to be a sociopath. How many US soldiers have died in Iraq and Afghanistan now?For WHAT???? About 5,000.....why? I certainly believe 9/11 needs to be properly investigated, and that it has not been yet. Go for it...let us all know what you find out. That in itself is suspicious.It is also suspicious to me that some people are so vehemently opposed to investigation. Why is it suspicious? I believe there is a lot of fear of what the truth might hold. For who...you? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 About 5,000.....why?Go for it...let us all know what you find out. Why is it suspicious? For who...you? We want answers not questions. Quote
tango Posted April 21, 2009 Author Report Posted April 21, 2009 bushcheneyrove ... your posts are becoming too devoid of meaning to bother with. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 We want answers not questions. You don't even know what questions to ask. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 You don't even know what questions to ask. Don't write then. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 Don't write then. It's already written...so it shall be done. Hey, it's fun to write in cryptic puzzles! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 It's already written...so it shall be done. Hey, it's fun to write in cryptic puzzles! 8891 of this!? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 8891 of this!? 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
benny Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89.... Exporting thrash(talk) to Canada!? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2009 Report Posted April 21, 2009 Exporting thrash(talk) to Canada!? Don't be afraid....it's just a Fibanacci Sequence. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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