kuzadd Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) Ah, the IDF, the most moral army in the world. Burning kids alive with phosphorous and then making t-shirts savouring the kills . Rabbis exhorting them to kill the 'gentiles' Or is that the American Army that is the most moral With their Christian fanatacism and killing of civilians, with their crucifixes on their armaments. Really begs the questions who is waging the religious war on who?? Israeli tshirts special made for the IDF Israeli Army T-Shirts Mock Gaza Killings oh, how very moral, from the most moral army? The t-shirts were printed for Israeli soldiers at the end of periods of deployment or training courses and were discovered by Israeli newspaper Haaretz.One, printed for a platoon of Israeli snipers depicts an armed Palestinian pregnant women caught in the crosshairs of a rifle, with the disturbing caption in English: "1 shot 2 kills". Another depicts a child carrying a gun also in the centre of a target. "The smaller, the harder," read the words on the t-shirt. Soldier says rabbis pushed "religious war" in Gaza Rabbis in the Israeli army told battlefield troops in January's Gaza offensive that they were fighting a "religious war" against gentiles, according to one army commander's account published on Friday."Their message was very clear: we are the Jewish people, we came to this land by a miracle, God brought us back to this land and now we need to fight to expel the gentiles who are interfering with our conquest of this holy land," he said. pathetic, given the obviously hollow claims of moral righteousness. Personal attacks = no brains. Try to stay on the topic of flaunting attrocities and encouraging the killing of gentiles, if that isn't totally bigotted! Edited March 21, 2009 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
dub Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Ah, the IDF, the most moral army in the world. Burning kids alive with phosphorous and then making t-shirts savouring the kills . Rabbis exhorting them to kill the 'gentiles'Or is that the American Army that is the most moral With their Christian fanatacism and killing of civilians, with their crucifixes on their armaments. Really begs the questions who is waging the religious war on who?? Israeli tshirts special made for the IDF Israeli Army T-Shirts Mock Gaza Killings oh, how very moral, from the most moral army? Soldier says rabbis pushed "religious war" in Gaza pathetic, given the obviously hollow claims of moral righteousness. Personal attacks = no brains. Try to stay on the topic of flaunting attrocities and encouraging the killing of gentiles, if that isn't totally bigotted! definitely looks like the most moral army in the world. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 Moral army is like saying moral dagger. Quote
dub Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 i can see why even DoP is not willing to touch this one. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 My wife bought a new black and decker toaster oven. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 i can see why even DoP is not willing to touch this one. Sure I am. Hi kuzadd. There was a T-shirt shop in my home town that sold similar T-shirts only regarding Iranians and Soviets. Once viewed as the enemy, anything is possible. Personally, I think Israel is going insane as a country. But, it didn't get that way on its own. Sort of like a big cat in a cage being poked from all sides... (I'm aware of the ironic analogy...lol) My wife bought a new black and decker toaster oven. More of a George Forman Grill man, myself. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 More of a George Forman Grill man, myself. The George Foreman Grill is too preachy....I prefer the more informative Toaster... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 The George Foreman Grill is too preachy....I prefer the more informative Toaster... Ah yes...the 'bagel' setting helps. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 LOL! george foreman grill! toasters! LOL! nothing to see here kids. it's just a couple of kids (probably reserves) buying and selling tshirts that make fun of killing arab pregnant women with 1 bullet. oh and a rabbi calling this a holy war and telling the soldiers to kill the not-so-chosen people. that's what happens when you poke the kitty cat. purrrr. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Quite right....there is nothing here...perhaps this should be in the business section where at least it can be ignored in its proper setting. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
dub Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 ignoring ugliness in the zionist culture seems to be your forte. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 ignoring ugliness in the zionist culture seems to be your forte. Selling offensive T-shirts is now zionist culture? I would say demonizing jews is your forte... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
eyeball Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 You guys are like fun-house mirror images of each other, except its more ugly than funny. Its not really helping things either. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Oleg Bach Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 You guys are like fun-house mirror images of each other, except its more ugly than funny.Its not really helping things either. Jew hate and Arab hate - are just that - hate - and hate is useless unless there is some real revenge and justice involved. These conflicting families have been going at the hate game for a thousand years and still no revenge or justice - might just as well give up the feud - besides the world is getting tired of some family riff that is never ending...lunitics. Quote
dub Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 You guys are like fun-house mirror images of each other, except its more ugly than funny.Its not really helping things either. i take offense to that. okay, now i'm over it. i dislike the zionist culture just as much as the muslim extremist (see wahhabi) culture and the evangelical christian culture. they're all bad for this world. Quote
eyeball Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Jew hate and Arab hate - are just that - hate - and hate is useless unless there is some real revenge and justice involved. These conflicting families have been going at the hate game for a thousand years and still no revenge or justice - might just as well give up the feud - besides the world is getting tired of some family riff that is never ending...lunitics. This is a fight over real estate. Everything else is just ammunition. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 i take offense to that.okay, now i'm over it. i dislike the zionist culture just as much as the muslim extremist (see wahhabi) culture and the evangelical christian culture. they're all bad for this world. Well then just say that and stop picking sides, it doesn't help anyone when you do. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
dub Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Well then just say that and stop picking sides, it doesn't help anyone when you do. the palestinians, for the most part, are the victims in this conflict. so i'm not going to sit here and follow every criticism of israel's actions with something bad that the palestinians have done. i don't see this conflict as a 50/50 situation. my comments about religious/cultural extremism was more about the world in general. the problem here is that our governments have picked a side and the only way for our government to approach this conflict justly and fairly, is for us to say something. so i am saying something. Quote
Wilber Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 the Palestinians, for the most part, are the victims in this conflict. so i'm not going to sit here and follow every criticism of israel's actions with something bad that the palestinians have done. i don't see this conflict as a 50/50 situation. my comments about religious/cultural extremism was more about the world in general.the problem here is that our governments have picked a side and the only way for our government to approach this conflict justly and fairly, is for us to say something. so i am saying something. The Palestinians are as much victims of their Arab "supporters", who have done little except use them as a weapon against Israel. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 (edited) the palestinians, for the most part, are the victims in this conflict. so i'm not going to sit here and follow every criticism of israel's actions with something bad that the palestinians have done. i don't see this conflict as a 50/50 situation. my comments about religious/cultural extremism was more about the world in general. Morris says exactly the same thing about his side. Perhaps your's are just generalized comments but they lose that when they're made in the context of this conflict. Taken out of that context I do share these sentiments by the way. I've found if there's anything that pisses people off faster its probably not picking a side. the problem here is that our governments have picked a side and the only way for our government to approach this conflict justly and fairly, is for us to say something. so i am saying something. The problem as I see it is that there is no way to approach this conflict at all without getting drawn into it. I'd rather challenge our government to adopt a strict policy of neutrality and non-interference, especially in the ME and surrounding regions for this very reason. There is also nothing more threatening to the military-industrial or security-enforcement complexs that have an economic stake in keeping these conflicts going than neutrality. These rely on public funds and I think focusing on how to make the government adopt a policy of not picking a side is the better approach. I'd rather we interfere in the affairs of the world by refusing to have anything to do with countries that pick sides I guess. Edited March 23, 2009 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Morris says exactly the same thing about his side. Perhaps your's are just generalized comments but they lose that when they're made in the context of this conflict. Taken out of that context I do share these sentiments by the way. I've found if there's anything that pisses people off faster its probably not picking a side. The problem as I see it is that there is no way to approach this conflict at all without getting drawn into it. I'd rather challenge our government to adopt a strict policy of neutrality and non-interference, especially in the ME and surrounding regions for this very reason. There is also nothing more threatening to the military-industrial or security-enforcement complexs that have an economic stake in keeping these conflicts going than neutrality. These rely on public funds and I think focusing on how to make the government adopt a policy of not picking a side is the better approach. I'd rather we interfere in the affairs of the world by refusing to have anything to do with countries that pick sides I guess. Do you really think Canada can remain neutral on the world stage and import people from these troubled spots? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dub Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 I'd rather challenge our government to adopt a strict policy of neutrality and non-interference, especially in the ME and surrounding regions for this very reason. There is also nothing more threatening to the military-industrial or security-enforcement complexs that have an economic stake in keeping these conflicts going than neutrality. These rely on public funds and I think focusing on how to make the government adopt a policy of not picking a side is the better approach.I'd rather we interfere in the affairs of the world by refusing to have anything to do with countries that pick sides I guess. i agree. it would be great if canada did not pick a side and just pointed to the geneva convention and international law when they're looked at for a response. unfortunately, contrary to our past policies, the harper government has clearly picked a side. i'm quite certain that if the western countries did not give political and/or economic support ($3billion a year from the U.S.) to israel, then a solution would come sooner. Quote
eyeball Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 Do you really think Canada can remain neutral on the world stage and import people from these troubled spots? Neutrality doesn't mean we can't be activists. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 Neutrality doesn't mean we can't be activists. Then you're no longer neutral. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted March 24, 2009 Report Posted March 24, 2009 ..i'm not going to sit here and follow every criticism of israel's actions with something bad that the palestinians have done..i don't see this conflict as a 50/50 situation.... the problem here is that our governments have picked a side and the only way for our government to approach this conflict justly and fairly, is for us to say something. so i am saying something. I believe dub you have made it clear you wish to discuss this conflict from one partisan perspective and criticize those who do not engage in the same partisan perspective you do. You are at least unlike some, upfront about your intent to be partisan. I can handle that. I would prefer someone be upfront about their biases and intentions like you then pretend they are not being bias. I again challenge you that the approach you are using to analyze this conflict is self-fullfilling. You see what you want to see because you start off with the presumption it is black v. white. Here is what I want you to think about. How does what you do help resolve the conflict? How does cheer leading one side resolve the conflict? Do you think your partisan cheer leading will help Palestinians deal with their own failure to find peaceful solutions? Do you think cheer leading terrorists will help them? When have I once seen you come on this forum and talk of Palestinian peace activists who openly renounce terror as a means to express politics? It is that selectivity I question not that you criticize Israel. Israel must and has to be criticized for certain policies and mistakes. That is a given. But as long as you choose to remain silent on terrorism and selectively suggest it is not and simply a justified political response to Israeli policies you miss out on the whole point of what makes this conflict continue and that is people like you enabling and empowering people like Hamas to believe their terror is soliciting sympathetic support against Israel. What I am saying to you is if any of us are genuinely interested in resolving conflicts we have to stop taking sides and cheer leading violence and focus our attention on concentrating on positive non violent actions, policies and programs that humanize people and get them to see what they have in common. Sounds to me you are caught up in the exact same chauvenism you claim all Israelis to be guilty of. Quote
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