jdobbin Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianp...-0R2boDwD4UdtCg Sources familiar with Chrysler's plans say the automaker has already begun work behind the scenes to pull its operations out of Canada if it can't reach an agreement with the Canadian Auto Workers by the end of the month.Chrysler Canada has said it needs to cut its labour costs by approximately $20 an hour to be competitive with foreign automakers such as Toyota. Currently, the company estimates its all-in hourly labour costs - which include wages, benefits and legacy costs such as pensions - to be approximately $76. To be competitive with Toyota plants operating in Canada, it says it needs to reduce those costs to $57 an hour. My guess is that the company will leave Canada. Edited March 17, 2009 by jdobbin Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Chrysler Canada has said it needs to cut its labour costs by approximately $20 an hour to be competitive with foreign automakers such as Toyota. Who writes this stuff? Toyota is as foreign as Chrysler...and given that Toyota sells more canadian built vehicles in Canada than Chrysler....Chrysler is more foreign than Toyota. I plan to visit the Chrysler dealership on saturday....just to see if there are any liquidation deals...while I may go Hyundai or Toyota, I'm not adverse to a Jeep Compass if the sticker price is right. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Oleg Bach Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Who writes this stuff? Toyota is as foreign as Chrysler...and given that Toyota sells more canadian built vehicles in Canada than Chrysler....Chrysler is more foreign than Toyota.I plan to visit the Chrysler dealership on saturday....just to see if there are any liquidation deals...while I may go Hyundai or Toyota, I'm not adverse to a Jeep Compass if the sticker price is right. The 2009 models are going for three hundred bucks! No kidding! But - our insurance companies are going to charge you 45 thousand a year to drive.. Quote
Smallc Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 I wouldn't buy a Chrysler if I were you. They have some of the worst quality scores in the industry. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 I wouldn't buy a Chrysler if I were you. They have some of the worst quality scores in the industry. A car is a car...it's not like you are a concert violinist who needs some perfect machine. Does it go from here to there? Quote
Smallc Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 A car is a car. Does it go from here to there? No, its not just a car. Annoying issues can make it a crappy car. In the case of Chrysler, sometimes it doesn't go from here to there. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 My Recommendation would be to buy something that isn't union built. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Maybe I should quote the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to you now. Edited March 17, 2009 by Smallc Quote
Moonbox Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 It doesn't matter where Chrysler goes. The corporation itself is going bankrupt as a whole. It doesn't matter if the Canadian subsidiary goes down first because Chrysler as a brand has a 1/100 chance of surviving. Protected bankruptcy is the best they can hope for and I think that's overly optimistic. We'll see some popular brands sold off and the rest of the company is probably just going to fold. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Maybe I should quote the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to you now. Why? I noticed nothing in the charter about having to support bad business models and poorly built cars with over priced labour. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 I noticed nothing in the charter about having to support bad business models and poorly built cars with over priced labour. Are you asserting that all union built cars have low quality and high prices? If you are, that's false. My point was that unions have every right to exist. Their existence shouldn't deter someone from buying a product. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Are you asserting that all union built cars have low quality and high prices? If you are, that's false. My point was that unions have every right to exist. Their existence shouldn't deter someone from buying a product. You are right some have high quality and high prices (ford) and some have low quality and low prices (GM) But if you want high quaity and low prices you really do have to shun the union shop... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Alta4ever Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Are you asserting that all union built cars have low quality and high prices? If you are, that's false. My point was that unions have every right to exist. Their existence shouldn't deter someone from buying a product. Why not I don't buy union buit products because they are nothing more thn extorsionists nowadays. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Smallc Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 You are right some have high quality and high prices (ford) and some have low quality and low prices (GM) True for the most part. If you want low prices you pretty much have to go Korean. Toyota, Honda, Ford, and most other quality brands (aside from Korean Hyundai) are relatively high priced. You can though, get some good deals on Ford. I say, you should buy whatever you want. That said, as a Chrysler owner and an industry observer, I would advise against buying Chrysler product. Love Jeep, but I just wouldn't trust the quality right now (IIRC, it is the worst rated brand). Quote
guyser Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 Sorry to hijack the thread, BTW. ...and further to that, Dancer why wouldnt you buy used considering some people have put themselves in a mess and are open to you stealing it (legally) from them for a song? Quote
Topaz Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 For all you union bashing people on here, the mini-van from Chrysler built in Windsor is a excellent van and Chrysler said itself, that Windsor quality was the best! Would I help Chrysler ... NO! They threaten, the workers, our government and the people who have or are buying their product and I say goodbye! Now doing so we put 10,000 families out of work but maybe some of the loan money could go instead on helping those 10,000 people and making sure that Chrysler pays all the clean cost of those plants, all workers get their servance pay owing. IF not then WE will be paying for them on welfare rolls. Quote
Progressive Tory Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 The 2009 models are going for three hundred bucks! No kidding! But - our insurance companies are going to charge you 45 thousand a year to drive.. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
M.Dancer Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 ...and further to that, Dancer why wouldnt you buy used considering some people have put themselves in a mess and are open to you stealing it (legally) from them for a song? 1) 3.5% Discount off dealer cost (toyota) + 36 months 0% financing or 60 months @ 0% for hynudai With that in mind, the cost of buying a relatively new used car financed at the normal bank rate means it would be only marginally less expensive than buying new. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Progressive Tory Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 For all you union bashing people on here, I don't union bash. Good union jobs do more for the economy then people realize. Again, are Chrysler execs taking a paycut or do they just expect their workers to? Many unions are already making concessions. Quote "For all our modesty and self-deprecation, we’re a people who dream great dreams. And then roll up our sleeves and turn them into realities." - Michael Ignatieff "I would not want the Prime Minister to think that he could simply fail in the House of Commons as a route to another General Election. That's not the way our system works." Stephen Harper.
Topaz Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 I don't union bash. Good union jobs do more for the economy then people realize. Again, are Chrysler execs taking a paycut or do they just expect their workers to? Many unions are already making concessions. I know you don't bash and usually the people who do are jealous of what those people make or are mangement. I just wonder what union these people are going to bash next, the teachers, other provincial/federal unions, etc. or how about the greenhouse workers?? Quote
blueblood Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 For all you union bashing people on here, the mini-van from Chrysler built in Windsor is a excellent van and Chrysler said itself, that Windsor quality was the best! Would I help Chrysler ... NO! They threaten, the workers, our government and the people who have or are buying their product and I say goodbye! Now doing so we put 10,000 families out of work but maybe some of the loan money could go instead on helping those 10,000 people and making sure that Chrysler pays all the clean cost of those plants, all workers get their servance pay owing. IF not then WE will be paying for them on welfare rolls. The only thing Chrysler (Dodge) trucks have going for them is the Cummins Turbo Diesel, which btw is manufactured in good old Brazil. I am praying for the day when Toyota comes out with a 3/4 and 1 ton diesel pickup truck so I can ditch my GM truck for something a lot better and not support Unionized propagandist crap. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Smallc Posted March 17, 2009 Report Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) I am praying for the day when Toyota comes out with a 3/4 and 1 ton Well, lets hope they do a better job on the Frame than they did on their 1/2 ton. The Tundra is most certainly not better than the truck offerings from others. Edited March 17, 2009 by Smallc Quote
jdobbin Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Posted March 17, 2009 My Recommendation would be to buy something that isn't union built. Guess you have never bought a North American car. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 18, 2009 Report Posted March 18, 2009 Guess you have never bought a North American car. I bought three, two were absolute crap. The third I bought after I started doing research on the costs assocatied in the vehicles of union manufactures. After that I have boycotted North American auto makers until the management can show that they can make good decisions, and develope a little bass to deal with the unions I won't buy one from the big three again. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
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