Muslims in Canada want Sharia Law!

[WIP]

Indeed. Especially when when we're one of the few countries to actually practice eugenics...errrr....multiculturalism and have discrimination written into the charter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Employment_Equity_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_minorities

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Any colour - so long as it's black.

---Henry Ford

I would gladly put up with affirmative action and employment equity rather than show any sympathy towards race-baiting fascists who keep playing the reverse discrimination card!

[WIP]

Promise Keepers Pose A Real Threat

Christian Soldiers for Theocracy

Operation Rescue's Survival In Doubt -- Anti-Abortion Violence, Legal Defeats Hurt Fundamentalist Christian Movement

Nice work! Many of the groups that are trying to focus all of our attention on the dangers of Muslim fundamentalist are Christian theocrats who are working at a grassroots level to carry out the same goals of replacing secular institutions with religious rule (in this case Christian rule). And they use that subtle approach very well. Many men who join the Promise Keepers might initially believe the upfront story that it's just about getting men back in church and taking responsibility for their families.....but it is much more than that. They want a return to patriarchy and many of the movement's leaders, such as Gary Bauer, are right at the forefront of the theocracy movement to set the stage for Christian government.

BTW if you search the archives at Public Eye you can find a lot of indepth analysis of Dominionism, the more extreme Christian Reconstructionist movement, and Theonomy (Biblical Law)

Edited February 11, 2009 by WIP

[DogOnPorch]

I would gladly put up with affirmative action and employment equity rather than show any sympathy towards race-baiting fascists who keep playing the reverse discrimination card!

'Visible minority' is a purely Canadian construct. It could mean a refugee or a millionaire.

I'm for one set of laws for all Canadians not based on the colour of one's skin.

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He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.

---Martin Luther King, Jr.

[Argus]

Nice work! Many of the groups that are trying to focus all of our attention on the dangers of Muslim fundamentalist are Christian theocrats who are working at a grassroots level to carry out the same goals of replacing secular institutions with religious rule (in this case Christian rule).

I find it interesting that every single one of those who falls all over themselves to defend Muslims from accusations of any kind will gleefully embrace the slightest hint of evidence of any kind of wrongdoing among Christian groups, however small and unimportant.

Meanwhile, there is this little item I discovered this morning.

A lesson for schools in Surrey and Ottawa

I'll call the Canadian teacher "Miriam," not her real name. A Jewish child of Holocaust survivors, Miriam taught part time at a French-language high school in Ottawa from 2001-2004, a period she describes as "the worst years of my life." The school was predominantly Muslim, the students principally from Djibouti and Eritrea.

Because Miriam was quite aware of the pervasive anti-Semitism amongst her students, she did not reveal she was Jewish. However, after her absence from school on the Jewish High Holidays, she was subject on a daily basis to overt anti-Semitic comments in the hallways, such as: "Does someone smell a Jew, does someone smell a stinking Jew?" Miriam of course complained to the principal and the vice-principal. According to Miriam, the principal said to her: "It seems that you divulged the fact that you are Jewish, so what do you expect?"

[AngusThermopyle]

Well that previous link certainly would tend to indicate that there is no hidden agenda on the behalf of Muslims. It also serves to highlight just how splendidly they appear to integrate and adopt Canadian values.

very interesting indeed.

[sharkman]

What a find Argus. Of course the support Muslims at all costs group don't seem to be able to put 2 and 2 together WRT the way Jews, women and gays are treated by Muslims.

No doubt your post will bring a swift reaction claiming that this sort of thing only happens among the fringe, and aren't Jews evil anyway?

That's laughable, the attempt to demonize Promise Keepers. I went to a couple of crusades in the NINETIES WHEN IT HAD SOMEWHAT OF AN IMPACT IN CANADA. Tell me Progressive Tory, how many Promise Keeper meetings have you been to? Obviously not enough to know what you're talking about. Finding hate group speech on the web about PK or anything else makes what point exactly? I can find proof on the web that Elvis is still alive or that the Liberals want to align themselves with the Muslim faith, but I'm not getting excited about it. Everyone knows Elvis is an alien.

Edited February 11, 2009 by sharkman

[GostHacked]

I went to a couple of crusades in the NINETIES WHEN IT HAD SOMEWHAT OF AN IMPACT IN CANADA.

I guess you are still crusading, because the 'problem' still exists. The impact you thought it had, equated to nada.

[ToadBrother]

Because Miriam was quite aware of the pervasive anti-Semitism amongst her students, she did not reveal she was Jewish. However, after her absence from school on the Jewish High Holidays, she was subject on a daily basis to overt anti-Semitic comments in the hallways, such as: "Does someone smell a Jew, does someone smell a stinking Jew?" Miriam of course complained to the principal and the vice-principal. According to Miriam, the principal said to her: "It seems that you divulged the fact that you are Jewish, so what do you expect?"[/i]

At which point I would have got a lawyer and made myself very rich at the school's expense.

[sharkman]

I was referring to the "impact" progressive tory thought it had. Personally I didn't think too much of the organization, hence I only went twice. Maybe I didn't need the "quit being irresponsible slobs" message as per kimmy.

I am not certain to which problem you are referring, gosthacked.

I'm called a crusader for basically saying PK isn't what some extremist sites on the web think it is? How is that being a crusader? Muslims aren't as some extremist sites on the web describe them to be. There, now what kind of crusader am I? Or how about this: Gays should have every right other Canadians have. Now am I a pro-gay "crusader"?

Or do you only use crusader for those with opposing views?

[WIP]

I find it interesting that every single one of those who falls all over themselves to defend Muslims from accusations of any kind will gleefully embrace the slightest hint of evidence of any kind of wrongdoing among Christian groups, however small and unimportant.

Those articles were about Christian stalking horse groups that pretend to be one thing to the general public, while spreading Christian Nationalist propaganda and building a movement for Christian theocracy. Put it simply, those of us who oppose all religious interference in government, law, science education, get sick of the hypocrisy of Christian fundamentalists, who condemn Muslims for doing the same things they do, and having similar goals and objectives. I am not interested in waging war aganst Coca Cola on behalf of Pepsi.

[sharkman]

You haven't addressed the issue, WIP. Argus specifically mentioned those who defend Muslims from accusations of any kind, and then attack attack Christian groups for the slightest perceived hint of any wrongdoing. That obviously does not mean you, WIP if you do not defend Muslim wrongdoing.

[WIP]

You haven't addressed the issue, WIP. Argus specifically mentioned those who defend Muslims from accusations of any kind, and then attack attack Christian groups for the slightest perceived hint of any wrongdoing. That obviously does not mean you, WIP if you do not defend Muslim wrongdoing.

The harms of Islamism should not be used to try to deflect criticism of their Christian equivalents. Argus did not address any of the points about Promise Keepers or Operation Rescue; he just went right to blame-shifting. Anybody who reads the main critical sites of Islam, like Jihadwatch and Faithfreedom.org will notice that they never address Christian extremism and some like Jihadwatch's Robert Spencer, actually tries to make a claim that there is not such problem with Christian fundamentalism since the Age of Reformation. Nobody who wants to oppose all forms of religious extremism can appreciate the hypocrisy of Christian fundamentalists pointing fingers, when they ignore the harms of fundamentalism on the homefront and the harms caused by extremist Christian movements in Africa that have been spawned by Western missionaries.

[sharkman]

Your point is fine, but does not address the argument Argus made. Yes, many religions have done awful things in the name of their gods.

Perhaps you see it differently, let me pose it to you directly then. Why is it that many people, say even in this forum, who criticize Christianity at the slightest provocation, will not apply the same standard to the Muslim faith?

This is not to say there aren't plenty of reasons to criticize either faith. I am simply asking about people's lack of objectivity towards Christianity.

Edited February 11, 2009 by sharkman

[Progressive Tory]

The harms of Islamism should not be used to try to deflect criticism of their Christian equivalents. Argus did not address any of the points about Promise Keepers or Operation Rescue; he just went right to blame-shifting.

Thank you. I had to bring this up when Mr. C suggested that Muslims attacked Women's Rights.

Even at the basest level the Promise Keepers are an obamination. They tell men that they are the rightful head of the household. They have retreats where they whip men into a frenzy and he goes home pumped up with testosterone and scripture and is ready to TAKE what he does not deserve. They make it very clear. You can't just ask you must take. With no clear guidelines, what if the wife isn't ready to concede? What if she thought she lived in the 21st century, so didn't have to be subserviant? What does the PK handbook suggest then?

The deeds and misdeeds of Operation Rescue are well documented. They and the Promise Keepers are Christian Extremist groups. Let's clean up our own backyard before attacking someone else. David Sweet is in our government, and has no place there unless he agrees to abstain from any vote concerning Women's Rights, including abortion.

[Progressive Tory]

Perhaps you see it differently, let me pose it to you directly then. Why is it that many people, say even in this forum, who criticize Christianity at the slightest provocation, will not apply the same standard to the Muslim faith?

I support Christianity and I support Muslims, Jews, buddhas, etc.. I just don't support extremists.

[August1991]

I support Christianity and I support Muslims, Jews, buddhas, etc.. I just don't support extremists.

That's a meaningful addition to the discussion.

For the record, I think kittens are cute.

[sharkman]

...They and the Promise Keepers are Christian Extremist groups. Let's clean up our own backyard before attacking someone else.

So then Canada should not be in afghanistan or helping any nation in the world because we haven't cleaned up our own back yard. I don't agree with that theory.

In addition, people here in Canada can call a spade a spade WRT practices that are wrong in other countries and still be cleaning up the back yard.

[CANADIEN]

Indeed. Especially when when we're one of the few countries to actually practice eugenics...errrr....multiculturalism and have discrimination written into the charter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Employment_Equity_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_minorities

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Any colour - so long as it's black.

---Henry Ford

Multiculturalism is eugenics? :lol:

[M.Dancer]

Multiculturalism is eugenics? :lol:

Quite. I cam very close to marrying an east indian girl. Both her parents were specialists and I am of Gaelic origin....I could have started breeding your overlords...

[kimmy]

Anybody who reads the main critical sites of Islam, like Jihadwatch and Faithfreedom.org will notice that they never address Christian extremism

Why need they? Their authors might argue that there is plenty of criticism of the Christian right in North America but a shortage of mainstream criticism of conservative Islam.

and some like Jihadwatch's Robert Spencer, actually tries to make a claim that there is not such problem with Christian fundamentalism since the Age of Reformation. Nobody who wants to oppose all forms of religious extremism can appreciate the hypocrisy of Christian fundamentalists pointing fingers, when they ignore the harms of fundamentalism on the homefront and the harms caused by extremist Christian movements in Africa that have been spawned by Western missionaries.

Or, the author's intent might not be to oppose all forms of extremism, but simply Muslim extremism.

The lack of countering criticism of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and Wicca doesn't make the criticism of Islam any less valid, does it?

If someone wanted to write about the Indo-Canadian gang situation in Vancouver, do they need to provide articles about white-people gangs and native gangs and Caribbean gangs before their Indo-Canadian gang article is a valid criticism?

If I want to make another post in the Blondes thread arguing that there is actual discrimination, do I have to provide a disclaimer that says "yes, I know there are many other forms of discrimination in our society but right now I am just arguing about this particular one and am in no way attempting to portray this as the singular scope of my concerns for social justice issues"?

-k

{perhaps I should use that in my signature, as it looks like my chances of getting my green energy subsidy are almost zilch at this point.}

Edited February 12, 2009 by kimmy

[CANADIEN]

Quite. I cam very close to marrying an east indian girl. Both her parents were specialists and I am of Gaelic origin....I could have started breeding your overlords...

Won't work unless there are some French-Canadian genes in the mix.

[Oleg Bach]

Quite. I cam very close to marrying an east indian girl. Both her parents were specialists and I am of Gaelic origin....I could have started breeding your overlords...

The food will be good....but once she starts growing a stash - better be ready to submit and be the sweet little white wife your dad always wanted.

[DogOnPorch]

Multiculturalism is eugenics? :lol:

I should be more clear. Canada's Employment Equity Act is a document that favors so-called "visible minorities". It doesn't take into account that some "visible minorities" are quite wealthy while inferring that all of the so-called majority (especially males) are well-off...which isn't true. This is based solely on skin colour and I find it just as distasteful as any other form of racism. South Afrika has a similar form of quiet racism going on with their employment laws which favor blacks over whites.

Since eugenics, in the non-fascist sense, is the self-direction of human evolution, laws like our Employment Equity Act certainly fit the suit. The government (over time) has been playing at cultural manipulation with no certain idea how the results will pan-out in a few generations. It would be a shame if, say, your or my grandchildren had to pay for it if it didn't turn out as intended...which, I have to assume, is the image of us all dancing in a field together holding hands to refrains of 'It's a Small World, Afterall'.

Multiculturalism by itself isn't bad so long as the host nation's founding principles that led to such a liberal, tolerant society in the first place, aren't threatened by some form of radical iconoclasm.

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How do you know she is a witch?

---Monty Python

Edited February 12, 2009 by DogOnPorch

[WIP]

Your point is fine, but does not address the argument Argus made.

Alright then, what goes on in England is not a great deal of concern to me, but if you want me to address his National Post article, here goes:

The first thing that jumps out at me about the case of Erica Conner's complaints that her school in Surrey England was being pushed to adopt a more religious Muslim agenda is that Barbara Kay either doesn't do any research or she deliberately omitted the fact that public schools in England have been turned into a collection of charter schools. This mess of allowing public schools to turn into virtual Muslim madrassahs, was made possible when former Prime Minister Tony Blair adopted the treasured conservative policy of privatizing public education with gusto -- he started fragmenting England's public school system and turning them into charter schools, based on the argument of that free market principles would be unleashed when parents were able to choose the type of schools they wanted to send their kids to.

So, what do you know.....the Muslim enclaves set up their charter schools with as much religious indoctrination as possible. The breakup of public education enables further fragmentation of society, where schools can be set up for one specific religion or ethnic group. And the children reach adulthood never having to interact with children from different backgrounds than themselves. Public schools may be inefficient compared to fancy private schools, but they serve as the melting pot in many communities for a little social interaction.

Did Barbara Kay actually go to a journalism school or something? I thought reporters and columnists for major newspapers were supposed to be professionals! The story of "Miriam" in Ottawa being harassed by Muslim students at her school, has no connection with the English teacher suing her school over religious indoctrination. And if the principle refused to support her, it may be just a case of his negligence.....and since Kay doesn't mention anything about legal action regarding this story, all we have is "Miriam's" version of the story that she was harassed by Muslim students.......and that's assuming that Miriam is a real person and not just a character Barbara Kay concocted to spread fear about Muslim domination coming to our shores.

Yes, many religions have done awful things in the name of their gods.

And why is that?

Perhaps you see it differently, let me pose it to you directly then. Why is it that many people, say even in this forum, who criticize Christianity at the slightest provocation, will not apply the same standard to the Muslim faith?

I have already spoken on that issue.......a broad leftwing coalition views Muslim immigrants as part of their group and are reluctant to criticize them even where there are clear examples of misogyny like female circumcision, honour killings, polygamy, advocating wife beating, and the unequal Sharia system that determines a woman to be worth half as much as a man. Although I do not share that reluctance to criticize these practices or beliefs.

This is not to say there aren't plenty of reasons to criticize either faith. I am simply asking about people's lack of objectivity towards Christianity.

There are Christian fundamentalists who want to strengthen the role of their religion to lead to eventual Christian theocracy with Biblical Law, and their condemnations of Islamic government and Sharia are grounded in representing an opposing brand of religious domination, rather than representing secular values that separate church and state.

[WIP]

The deeds and misdeeds of Operation Rescue are well documented. They and the Promise Keepers are Christian Extremist groups. Let's clean up our own backyard before attacking someone else. David Sweet is in our government, and has no place there unless he agrees to abstain from any vote concerning Women's Rights, including abortion.

Operation Rescue overreached when their constant drumbeat about murderous abortionists led some crackpot members to go out and kill doctors and nurses and other abortion clinic staffers. Canada and the United States are not quite on par with Pakistan or Saudi Arabia -- so this sort of violent action causes many abortion-is-murder followers to step away from the cause.

In a similar vein, Alabama judge - Roy Moore was gaining sympathy with Christian fundamentalists over his campaign of installing Ten Commandments monuments in front of court houses all across the South, until he started violating court orders himself. The Ten Commandments movement was a subtle strategy to reintroduce Biblical Law in the U.S., with a goal of adding the rest of the laws from the first five books of the Bible later on.....but he got greedy!

And that Promise Keepers thing is another one of these subtle strategies designed to slowly reintroduce patriarchy and remove doctrines of gender equality from the minds of churchgoers.