Gunman Attack Jewish Seminary

[Regulus de Leo]

Jews being murdered. People dancing in the streets. Where have we seen this movie before? I don't like how it ends.

http://www.africasia.com/services/news/new...37.q8obomzk.php

"At least eight people were killed after a gunman infiltrated and attacked a rabbinical seminary in Jerusalem on Thursday evening.

Israeli police spokesperson Micky Rosenfeld said the gunman entered the library and opened fire during an evening study session. "

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

[DogOnPorch]

Yikes! That's pretty bad. That is the leading seminary in the city. Arab men, women and children dancing in the streets...but we shouldn't paint the average Arab Muslim with the same brush. That'd be wrong...right?

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Turning and turning in the widening gyre

The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

The best lack all convictions, while the worst

Are full of passionate intensity.

---W.B. Yeats: The Second Coming

[Topaz]

How many US presidents have tried and tried to get peace with these two countries, and nothing works and nothing will work because the Middle-East is so different from the west. These two countries are going to keep pushing and pushing each other and Israel is going to step over the line with a nuke, the all hell will break loose! I blame both countries, and the countries to give them the power to rage the war!

[DogOnPorch]

Revenge/vedetta would have been an attack on the IDF. But mowing down teenagers while in class is just pure terrorism. What might happen...not nukes...that's just silly in such a small area...is that Gaza will be truely occupied in a REAL major military operation. Not these tiny things we've been seeing. The Arabs will be more or less powerless to stop such an offensive. As well, the Pally Arabs might find that their friends in Syria, Egypt and such might not be so keen on helping them out. They don't want to lose another war with an angry Israel.

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5, 6, 7 open up the Pearly Gates...

---Country Joe and the Fish

[Muddy]

How many US presidents have tried and tried to get peace with these two countries, and nothing works and nothing will work because the Middle-East is so different from the west. These two countries are going to keep pushing and pushing each other and Israel is going to step over the line with a nuke, the all hell will break loose! I blame both countries, and the countries to give them the power to rage the war!

Israel has won every war the Arab world has started. The Arab world still exists. If Israel ever loses a war ,they will cease to exist and the Nazi holocaust will pale in comparison.

[BC_chick]

Israel has won every war the Arab world has started. The Arab world still exists. If Israel ever loses a war ,they will cease to exist and the Nazi holocaust will pale in comparison.

I'm quite sure in a simulated war-game you'd find that it's not feasible to obliterate "the Arab world"... that may have added to the Israeli, um, restraint.

[BC_chick]

Yikes! That's pretty bad. That is the leading seminary in the city. Arab men, women and children dancing in the streets...but we shouldn't paint the average Arab Muslim with the same brush. That'd be wrong...right?

Israel kills close to 100 civlians in indiscriminate airstrikes - not shocking.

Muslim gunmen open fire killing Jews indiscriminately and Palestinians rejoice - shocking.

So if indiscriminate killing and blatant disregard for human life is the common-denominator, it must be the dancing that determines the shock factor?

[DogOnPorch]

Israel kills close to 100 civlians in indiscriminate airstrikes - not shocking.

Muslim gunmen open fire killing Jews indiscriminately and Palestinians rejoice - shocking.

So if indiscriminate killing and blatant disregard for human life is the common-denominator, it must be the dancing that determines the shock factor?

You're free to provide links to Israelis dancing in the streets. One hundred civilians...they're all civilians when it comes to Pallywood's bodycount. The missile site was a baby milk factory.

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Nice n' easy does it everytime.

---Frank Sinatra

[eyeball]

Israel has won every war the Arab world has started. The Arab world still exists. If Israel ever loses a war ,they will cease to exist and the Nazi holocaust will pale in comparison.

Its almost inevitable that Israel will one day cease to exist. The economic expansion and growth of those countries that are supplying Israel with weapons is unsustainable. The tap will run dry one day and Israel will lose its military dominance. That may be hundreds of years away or just mere decades but in any case this is a region with an ancient history and its people can nurse grudges for millenia.

Israel better figure out a way to make its peace with its neighbors or relocate. They've done it before, relocate that is.

[BC_chick]

You're free to provide links to Israelis dancing in the streets.

And you're free to re-read my post since you obviously didn't understand a lick of what I was saying

[DogOnPorch]

Its almost inevitable that Israel will one day cease to exist. The economic expansion and growth of those countries that are supplying Israel with weapons is unsustainable. The tap will run dry one day and Israel will lose its military dominance. That may be hundreds of years away or just mere decades but in any case this is a region with an ancient history and its people can nurse grudges for millenia.

Israel better figure out a way to make its peace with its neighbors or relocate. They've done it before, relocate that is.

Why Arabs Lose Wars.

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Put the coffee crystals back in the coffee cup, Earl.

---Dan Akroyd (Vic): Neighbors

[myata]

This will continue till Isreal and its supporters in the West finally stop pretending that it's just like any other country existing on its proper land, admit that there's a serious issue with the way that state was created, and will take resonable and genuine step toward a fair peace deal. Till that happens, which may take many years and claim many lives, the bloody see-saw will likely continue, as hatred between two populations is fed further and further by indiscriminate killings on both sides.

[DogOnPorch]

This will continue till Isreal and its supporters in the West finally stop pretending that it's just like any other country existing on its proper land, admit that there's a serious issue with the way that state was created, and will take resonable and genuine step toward a fair peace deal. Till that happens, which may take many years and claim many lives, the bloody see-saw will likely continue, as hatred between two populations is fed further and further by indiscriminate killings on both sides.

Why is Israel not like any other country? Both sides were given the same opportunity post WW2. The Arabs went for what was behind door #3 instead and went to war...wanting all the pie...which they lost horribly. Not to be outdone, they tried the same plan 3 more times with the same results (1956, 1967, 1973).

So in that light, what is a "fair deal"? Give back the Arabs everything they risked in war so that they can try it a fourth time? That's not how war works...but, oddly, the Israelis have 'given back' much of it already despite that fact.

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People do not want words - they want the sound of battle - the battle of destiny.

---Gamal Abdel Nasser on the eve of his planned invasion of Israel, 1967

[eyeball]

Why Arabs Lose Wars.

This deals with modern wars, I was thinking along the lines of more primitive forms of warfare, with sticks and stones for example. In the absence of a peaceful settlement Israel won't stand a chance without constant care and aid from country's like the US. Time is definitely on Palestine's side.

[M.Dancer]

This deals with modern wars, I was thinking along the lines of more primitive forms of warfare, with sticks and stones for example. In the absence of a peaceful settlement Israel won't stand a chance without constant care and aid from country's like the US. Time is definitely on Palestine's side.

Israel has learned from the French that they cannot rely on the good will of allies forever, which is why they have one of the most advanced weapon programmes in the world producing everything from small arms to main battle tanks, front line fighters and anti ballistic missiles.

In otherwords they are far ahead of any in the region and will always remain so for at least another 50 to 100 years.

[DogOnPorch]

Israel has learned from the French that they cannot rely on the good will of allies forever, which is why they have one of the most advanced weapon programmes in the world producing everything from small arms to main battle tanks, front line fighters and anti ballistic missiles.

In otherwords they are far ahead of any in the region and will always remain so for at least another 50 to 100 years.

Also, as mentioned in articles like 'Why Arabs Lose Wars', and I agree...Arab command/control is right out of the dark-ages. But, most non-military people have zero clue as to its importance in battle. Israelis are masters of command control and logistics. Like in the US military (and ours) junior officers are able to make important battlefield decisions. Even NCOs. Arab armies still deal from the top down with no input going the other way. It's a formula for failure in modern battle.

Top down orders last worked well during the age of sail with British Fighting Orders and what-not. There wasn't better ways to control large formations at that point. Admiral Nelson amoungst other military greats threw that old method away long ago in terms of how we should fight battles.

It was superior command/control that allowed the Israelis to pull off their numerous lop-sided victories. The 1948 war in particular is a good example. The Israelis didn't have the modern weapons and such while the Arabs did...a point often used by pro-Arab supporters as the reason why Arabs lose wars. They used armored buses and homemade artillery vs massive Arab formations armed with proper weapons. The Arabs should have won if weapons were everything.

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I cannot trust a man to control others who cannot control himself.

---General Robert E. Lee CSA

[eyeball]

Israel still needs someone to supply it with resources. Time, not to mention demography, is not on Israels side.

I don't understand how a people with such a long view of history can look to the future and feel confident that it will be able to hang onto its military edge forever.

[myata]

I won't even care to place bets as to who will bleed more & for how long. It's quite obvious that with Israel's entrenched position, and continuous encouragement (inc. material and financial) from the US, the conflict is set for a long and bloody ride. I'd like to be wrong on that one.

[DogOnPorch]

Israel still needs someone to supply it with resources. Time, not to mention demography, is not on Israels side.

I don't understand how a people with such a long view of history can look to the future and feel confident that it will be able to hang onto its military edge forever.

Israel is a rich country and many nations are willing to sell weapons to anyone with the money. It's not even political...just business. Israel is also the producer of superior weapons of its own. But, as mentioned, weapons aren't the only factor here. In 1973, the Arabs, freshly armed with the best Soviet weapons struck Israel by surprise in massive force on Yom Kippur. After a brief period of retreat and confusion, the Israelis mobilized and destroyed each Arab army in turn. The Arabs had the military edge in all of the conflicts up until 1973. They apparently still have fresh shipments of new weapons from their sources. So who has the edge again?

I won't even care to place bets as to who will bleed more & for how long. It's quite obvious that with Israel's entrenched position, and continuous encouragement (inc. material and financial) from the US, the conflict is set for a long and bloody ride. I'd like to be wrong on that one.

Encouragement? Materials? Financial? Where do you think the Arabs get their weapons and encouragement? From Allah? Like I said elsewhere, until someone figures out a solution to the Jewish problem in the United States, Israel will continue to enjoy support from the United States. Pretty simple.

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Edited March 7, 2008 by DogOnPorch

[AngusThermopyle]

Interesting to see people who don't have two clues to rub together pontificate on how Israel will lose to the Arabs. The lack of military knowledge is balanced by the "learned" statements of those people.

The article was bang on as to why they lose wars. Here's a news flash for those who need it. Weaponry and numbers are useless without proper 3C and logistical support. These are things Arabs just don't understand. Sorry for all of those who would like to see Israel crushed under the Arab sandal, it aint gonna happen folks.

[Regulus de Leo]

Yikes! That's pretty bad. That is the leading seminary in the city. Arab men, women and children dancing in the streets...but we shouldn't paint the average Arab Muslim with the same brush. That'd be wrong...right?

If the 'average Arab Muslim' living in Palestine is dancing in the streets that would not be wrong would it?

[Regulus de Leo]

Israel kills close to 100 civlians in indiscriminate airstrikes - not shocking.

Muslim gunmen open fire killing Jews indiscriminately and Palestinians rejoice - shocking.

So if indiscriminate killing and blatant disregard for human life is the common-denominator, it must be the dancing that determines the shock factor?

The IDF response was not 'indiscriminate'. They did not seek out unarmed civilians to kill. They tried to kill armed thugs lobbing rocks at Israel and hiding amongst women and children hoping they can parade dead bodies in front of a sympathetic and naive Western media.

Edited March 7, 2008 by Regulus de Leo

[sharkman]

Apparently the naive Western media is partly successful in its brainwashing attempts.

[Borg]

Time to turn that entire part of the world flat and black - let it glow in the dark for 10,000 years.

This will go on until long after I am dead - and even here on these boards the people who would seek to blame one over the other.

Fact: Stop kicking the bee hive (Israel) and the bees will stop stinging.

However the fact is there are lots more schitzen distrubers wearing towels on their head who actually PROFIT from this. Hell wasn't that little turd arafat a multi-millionaire when he died? Yet the little murderer happily let his own starve.

Leave the Jews alone.

They will not bother anyone.

Kick them and they fight back.

The only reason there has not been serious islamic removal is world opinion has held Israel in check.

The world is going to get tired of the islamics someday and it may be sooner than later.

When that happens we are all in for a big ho-down.

Borg

[scribblet]

Well, here http://www.reuters.com/article/featu.....;/idUSL03124515 doesn't even pretend to disguise their propaganda piece on 'the peaceful peace loving Palestinians in Gaza.' They don't even bother to to use quotes on 'Inspired By God', Guess they too literally believe and agree with Hamas that is is their divine duty to murder Jews:

From news article:

Inspired by God, Hamas fighters battle on

Mon Mar 3, 2008 9:30am EST

By Nidal al-Mughrabi

GAZA, March 3 (Reuters) - Abu Mohammed picked up his rifle, said farewell to his wife and six children and went out to face the Israeli tanks, helicopter gunships and missile-firing airborne drones.

"Being unable to defeat Israel is no reason to surrender," the Hamas fighter said with a smile as he headed to the Gaza Strip's front line last Saturday, ignoring pleas from his family to stay.

"My children and wife are very dear to me," he said. "But reward in Heaven and the homeland are dearer."

The 38-year-old furniture salesman says he is not afraid to die for the cause of destroying Israel and forging a Palestinian state on all Israel's territory, the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

To Israel and its allies, Abu Mohammed and his comrades are Jew-hating terrorists. But Abu Mohammed sees himself on a mission from God to rescue his people from 60 years of misery as refugees since the establishment of the Jewish state in 1948.

Edited March 7, 2008 by scriblett