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Your right Jacee, Omar was charged with murder, attempted murder, and providing assistance and support to our enemies, oh and they're is the spying thing.....some people let go to soon....

Turn them to ashes, sorry I forgot that was dad.....

And yet nothing was overturned, in omars case, nor was there a plan to go back and over turn was there. MCA has been upgraded and is continues to receive upgrades as the laws changes. It is my opinion that the charges were laid by the MCA for war crimes against the U.S. , and the full sentence should have been served.

I to think that there is going to be a change in the US, only because of Americas frustration with the rest of the world, I find it alittle confusing when you state that complete isolation is not the answer, then you go on to say we should allow cultures to solve their own problems, and leave them alone. At what piont do we take any action, I mean your example of ISIL is a good piont, when do the human rights of others meaning The people ISIL are targeting when do we stand up for them, or do we close our eyes and let natural selection take its path. It's a catch 22 , we will deal with this when it hits our shores, or risk being condemned by the world for take sides.

You talk about these illiegal combatants rights like it is something that is owe to them, and yet fail to mention WHY is it that people have a problem giving them the same treatment that is afforded anyone else.....could it be these individuals don,t care about any of the conventions, nor do they care about any rights you think you may have, no instead they are perfectly fine with throwing acid in young girls faces for going to school, they are fine with cutting prisoners of war heads off, in front of a camera for the whole world to see, they are fine with peeling the skin of an old man and staking him to the ground to cook in the afternoon sun, his only crime was answering a few questions from NATO soldiers . Perhaps the question is what rights do these people deserve to have, or do we turn the other cheek, treat them like humans and pray they get their just rewards in the after life....

Squid , I agree Omar was put in a difficult postion for a boy , then a teenager, he was dragged over there by his parents, while over there he was asked to become a suicide bomber, or attend terrorist training camps, I get it not very good chioces....did it make any difference in the patty hurst case, were she was indoctrinated , brain washed, was she not held accountable for her actions, how many Canadian youths have been given adult sentences because of the seriousness of their crimes. Even the UN and it,s new child soldiers drive has left an opening that children can be sentenced for their crimes there is no free ride. That day of the attack Omar had lots of chioces he could have made, but did not, only Omar knows exactly what he did. During my tours overseas I've seen lots of kids Omar's age and much younger do terrible things and pay for those actions with there lives...all I've ever wanted was for Omar to complete his sentence....not paroled easily for good behaviour, but the full sentence. I wanted justice to be served...I do not agree with everything Omar has been subjected to, and I hope that those responsible for those actions pay for them.

Actually military commisions have been ongoing in the US since 1778, infact they have been used to try enemy combatants in WWI, WWII, and the world did not have a problem with them at the time. The 2006 version was designed to try illiegal combatants, it would later be modified in 2009 to answer some calls that it did not provide enough protection to these illiegal combatants. The entire process was started by the U.S. because the genva conventions are outdated and do no include or are very vague on articles dealing with terrorism. Under today's conventions terrorist are to be dealt with as combatants, and afforded protection under the conventions even though they do not follow any of the conventions themselfs Conventions designed to ensure safety of innocent civilians, to prevent confusion by other forces when they are engaged such as the wearing of uniforms or other markings to indentify them as combatants, carrying of arms openly etc etc. instead they purposely disregard these rules to further their survival by blending into the crowd. For these reasons it was the decision to deny these rights under the convention to these groups. The UN has not shown any interest in re writing these conventions nor has any of the other nations, so the US decided to act on it's own, hence the creation of a new military commision to deal with illiegal combatants, and there acts.

CMA, now MCA I'm getting confused could you spell it out for me which one did you mean and what does it mean.

Actually last time I checked murder is a war crime, he killed a U.S. Soldier while he was an illegal combatant.....that part of the convention is designed to protect innocent civilians, but it works both ways. None, please explain what makes Omar any different than the other terrorists, because he was Under 16 years of age.....because there is a lot of terrorist under 16....what makes him any different than the other Canadian minors that were charged and tried in adult court because of the seriousness of their crimes. Start a topic i' m sure lots of people will have something to say.

Yes we have signed the treaty, but show where in that treaty it states that children can NOT be held accountable for their actions. Taking into account he was a member of a terrorist group, has been charged with murder in a war zone, on top of being a bomb maker. Which would put him on top of the target list for NATO forces. Yes I do, he wanted to be with his family, did he have a choice no he did not, that being said do you think he did not know right from wrong, do you think he knew that his country of citizenship was at war with the group he was supporting. At almost 16 years of age do you think he was not capable of his own chioces, such as surrendering himself to NATO troops, or leaving the war zone, and going home to his mother in Pakistan, And yet in his video tapes he proclaims he wanted to claim the bounty for killing American soldiers, I think he bought into the life style hook line and sinker, and thought his dream would never come to an end. I'm sure if he had not been captured he would still be involved with the terrorist or dead.

Perhaps you can explain where you think my facts are incorrect. Was it the fact that Omar was a Canadian citizen, and had no rights other than those implied to any vistor of a foreign country? Was it the fact that Omar was a member of a terrorist organization. Correct me if I!m wrong but inter national law in regards to terrorism have been in place for a long time. Inter national laws in regarding child soldiers, does not state that children can not be charged with war crimes, it does say they should be given special consideration , but there is no get out of jail free card. Just as Canadian civil law youths can be chaged as an adult if the crime is serious, murder is a serious crime.

I have wonder what the would be like if you could wave your magic wand and the U.S. adopt an total isolationist policy as it once had. The U.S. has reluctantly been pushed into the worlds policemen, because of all its resources it has at its disposal, i wonder how many US presidents have pondered the idea of pulling all her troops home, and leaving the police men's job to those that do most of the complaining. And finally enjoy those peace bonds everyone else did. Would the other world power houses follow suit or would they take advantage of this new situation.....countries like Russia, yes let's not forget about the Cold War, which was all about keeping Russia out of Europe.....funney how soon we forget the sacrifice of throwing back the nazi's who tried to do the same thing. Without the U.S. direct action here Russia would have taken Europe long ago....and what of China, do we think they would follow suit, disarm and forget about lost chunks of its empire. I wonder how long it would be before someone comes knocking for assistance, assisting one nation would mean making an enemy of another.....what would the world do then if it could not condemn the U.S. for something.

Sorry big guy, it was late and I was tired, I did nt mean to brush you off, as I do enjoy our conversations.

You continue to use this same quote as if it is the magic bullet.....you also dismiss the fact that the Taliban regime used the Al Queda network as part of it's own military network....my direct question would be would that not make it part of the talibans net work, acting under the the authority of the Taliban. Or the afghanis government at the time. Because that would change everything would it not..... My second question is did Bin Ladin come out publically and say OK that would be our last attack on the US.....in fact I'm sure he said something very different....so how did the US government know for sure that no more attacks were forth coming meaning 100% that there would be no more attacks coming.... The wait for 3 weeks has been claimed as not enough time to make a decision on matters as large as this....and yet the Taliban did come to a solution, serveral infact. Just not the ones that the U.S. wanted to here. They wanted BIN Ladin to stand trial in the US.... The fact that the attackers are from Saudi means what exactly, that this attack was the responsabiltys of the Saudi government , that terrorist have to be declared that way regardless of who they work for. Which at the time was Bin Ladin, another Saudi, but under the Talibans cloak.....I'm pretty sure the law does not work that way.

Squid take a moment here and think about what your saying, would it matter if he was drug over there kicking and screaming, if he was kidnaped, would it change the fact that he was a Canadian citizen......would it change the fact that he was not afghanis, would it change the fact that according to afghan officials he was not an afghanis citizen but just a vistor..... My question still stands what set of laws covers him "meaning allows him" or gives him the right to take up arms in Afghanistan.

I don't recall ever saying he traveled by himself, regardless of how he traveled or with whom. He traveled with how does that change the fact he was a Canadian visitor in afghanistan , what right did he have for using force again'st afghan authorities....what set of laws would allow him to defend anything in Afghanistan......stop jumping to conclusions.

Thank you , I guess I should have done some research first, sorry. My question I do have if Omar could not have thrown the grenade because he was under some brush, how or when did he receive the the gunshot wounds to his back, did they uncover him then shoot him, was it moments before getting buried in the brush....either way it opens up other questions as well.

Wow, was,nt it you that was calling out everyone for not reading the transcript of Omars press conference, it seems your just as guilty of misinterputating the facts. Yes it is true not all the US ground forces had the same statements, and some did shed some doubt on what happened, as with any crime scene and multi witnesses, it is common that they all don't line up, as not everyone see's what happened from a certain perspective nor do they translate what they seen the same way. You call them an invading force, and the incident in hand happened on July 27 th 2002.....the Taliban regime had stopped being the legal government well before that infact the UN had set up the Afghan interim government on Dec 22, 2001. In which Hamid Karzai was appointed as it' s new leader....it was him that had asked coalition forces plus UN forces to act as tHe countries security forces....which does not make them an invading force, but rather the legal right to maintain security at that time.... My next piont is .....was Omar not a Canadian citizen at the time, visiting the country of Afghanistan during the time of the conflict, perhaps you can show me in any law were he would have any legal rights to defend anything in Afghanistan....or did he just get caught up in he moment.....next piont it was not Us forces that approached the compound that Omar and his terrorist buddies were, it was afghan forces, they had knocked on the door and asked if they and US forces could search the house, the answer they received was gun fire, killing 2 members of the afghan forces, US forces then surrounded the coound and waited for more forces to arrive.....does not sound like they started anything, it sounds like they did not want the compound searched as it was a bomb factory. They had something to hide.... But he was not a soldier was he, in fact he was a Canadian citizen, he did not wear an Afghanistan uniform, nor did he bear arms openly, He was however trained by Al Queda, in the presence of other Al Queda members, that built IED' s for the purpose of killing US forces in the area.....the same US forces that had taken charge of Afghanistan security.....all of that makes him a terrorist, under inter national law, UN charters of rules of war, Canadian law, and let's not forget Afghanistan laws.....

I think we've had this conversation a couple of times, each ending in both us agreeing to disagree. The Taliban and Al Queda have proved they did!nt need aircraft carriers or amphibious ves to bring war or conflict to any shore. They had the financial means to organize and carry out their terror campaign any where in the world. The fact they had chosen the US sent a huge message that these terror networks were not afraid of any nation or the consequences. They had said they would target any western country....that included Canada....I think this is a major concern to our politcians. I think a 9/11 sized attack on any canadian city would have crippled us for a lot longer than the US. It may not have made the same statement , but it would have effected us more. I think it scared us all to think anyone with an extreme view could bring their terror any where. Those Responsable had to be held accountable, the powers to be agreed that the terrorist network had to destroyed. For couple reasons to show others there would severe consequences for further attacks, and to possibly prevent further attacks. At the time this sounded reasonable to most western nations.

I think keepitsimple has a valid piont, has anyone heard of any atonement....about anything.....

All I said was I was surprised, after your comments on another post, about your safety on a military base. And yet your concerns do not transfer to your daughters.

Omar: You stated that the Taliban and Al Queda were close friends and associates. That they created,funded, trained and supported what ever their actions were again'st the Afghan people......I ask you for proof and what I think you give me is the following . Your source states the US was aware of the Talibans existence, means what exactly US is aware of a lot of groups and organization it also does business with them in many different ways.....much like Canada, or for that matter most countries.....it also states that ISI and CIA encouraged the creation of the Taliban, but does not say what encourage mean......it also states the US encouraged Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia to support the Taliban....again what does encouraged mean....it does not spell it out, it leaves a lot to the imagination. I wish I could encourage you to provide proof positive sources the ones that show a smoking gun you claim is out there. Your second link The U.S. provided some aid to opponents of the pro soviet regime. The same one the Soviets installed after a bloody coup, and yet it does not identify who that opponent was, Taliban was not created until 1994, which precludes them, and Al Queda was formed shortly after so that aid was to pre mujahideen groups in order to counter soviet expansion.... It also speculates that this aid might have started the soviet invasion....and yet I highily doubt that the soviets had occupation in mind well before they installed their puppet government, when it did not go to plan they sent in the troops...there is no proof that the US actions started the soviet invasion, just speculation..... Your third source I'm sorry I not following , it claims the CIA provided funding , but it's source claims USAID and the university of Nebraska provided text books to the mujahideen , which later were used by the Taliban.....OK but what does all this prove, You also mention that a U.S. company entertained Taliban representives in hope of a pipe line deal, well the Taliban were the major player in the region even though they did not control all of Afghanistan. These type of deals happen all the time, infact there is no pipe line today.....anti war buffs have been stating this was one of the reasons the US went to war was this supposed pipeline.....and with all the billions spent in Afghanistan , and 10 years of conflict, one would think that pipeline would have been built years ago.....still no pipe line and that US company lost it's shirt in that deal.....sorry move along no conspiracy here...". Overall you have not proved a thing that proves your original statement.....nor have you commented on how this conflict was illegal.

I've read your source, it's an opinion base article written by one guy, who happens to have the same opinion as you. What it lacks is proof positive that supports your claim that the U.S. created, supported, funded,and trained the Taliban or BIn Ladins groups of terrorists. As for the threats to the U.S., I guess what you and the others are forgetting that 9/11 attacks claimed the lives over 3000 US citizens plus scores of others including almost 30 Canadian lives that day....and Bin Ladin took responsibility for that attack, and had also said that there would be more.....not sure what country your from, but here in Canada that is a threat. Not a humanitarian threat as suggested by others that support this "illegal" conflict side of the debate but a threat to security of the nation. Unless you have proof that Bin Ladin was done, one attack was enough. How could any president sit back any even consider no action be taken, it be written off as a non state attack, without bringing to the American people those responsible .... Countries do negotiate differences every day, and when they can't the use the last policitical tool left their militaries. The U.S. gave the Taliban regime 2 weeks to respond by handing over Bin Ladin , or they would come and get him. They refused to meet those demands, and well sir, the rest is history, they got both horns.

I think it is a huge deal, considering how much work and effort it takes just to become a pilot, let alone a fighter pilot. Not to mention the amount of skill that is required to compete in today's small military. I was actually surprised however on some of west coast runners comments about perhaps allowing her daughter to become a member of the military. After her other comments about not feeling safe on any military base.