Army Guy

Yes them damn racist Canadian folks again....lashing out on poor defenseless folks.....And yet thousands of these folks are already in europe , where the european liberal minded folks, like the ones that think bringing in these folks is a good idea...... decided it would be the Right thing to bring them folks in" and now that it is to late, they are second guessing their decision......Go on line and watch the thousands of u tubes on this very topic..... Want a feel good mission to grab onto, how about spending 1.25 billion on our own people......clean water in the north, or the homeless, shit pick one our back yard is full of problems that need attention.....Why in the blue blazes would we want to just add to these problems......

Unless they "all those white men" are of the muslim faith that is not going to happen......

why Manslaughter......and not murder.....I having a hard time with all of this....Yatim was dead, or dying after the first 3 rounds.....according to the corners report.....so why the need for 6 more, if his intention was not to ensure the kid was dead...He executed this kid, and to make matters worse he is a cop, who's duty is to serve and protect.....protect us from the bad guys....to protect our families, our children.....His actions speak volumes, about his professionalism, his training, and about the entire group of cops that were there, and finally the toronto police dept.....Sad to think these are the people who we trust to protect us.....that could have been anyones kid..... I say murder all the way.....life behind bars without parole.....

I think Canadians have to ponder what are our priorities.....having a ship building capability....to which we don't....or Combat ves that can live and breath in a combat environment.... What pisses me off about this whole ship building program.....is how we continue to drop the ball....and when we do pick it up we have to turn something that really was straight forward....replacing ships....turns into a meatball sandwich the size of Ottawa....i think and have always thought that the ship building program would cost a lot more than the conservatives planned for....it seems nobody is living in the reality of this nightmare call equipment replacement....Why is it that Canada has a world reputation for doing everything on the cheap....we cut, slash, every program until some politician decides OK that number sounds right.....DND is tired of saying no to anything, afraid they won't get anything......but after cutting so much capability there soon won't be any capability to cut........maybe 6 newfies in a row boat, armed with a sling shot.....with one guy having props glued to the top of his hat, as we have to represent the airforce in there as well.... Before every brief.....every presentation .....a picture of couple hundred a young sailors should be shown......with a big ass caption below this picture is of a Canadian frigate crew....How much are they're lives worth to you.....

Sorry for the reprint of this, i read part of dialamah post and was confused about what exactly refugees pay for.....Just their trip over to Canada and their medical exam.....the rest is on the tax payers...

Your source does not refute Freeloaders claims.....no where does it say Canada has to accept refugees, rather your source states how they should be treated AFTER we decide to accept any......

Can you please provide a source for this new info.....I've tried to find it on line and can not even come close to what you've claimed..... Here is what i have found..... http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/immigrants-cost-23b-a-year-fraser-institute-report http://www.soundvision.com/article/profile-of-muslims-in-canada Infact according to the same news article posted by the National post, quotes Immigrants to Canada cost the federal government as much as $23-billion annually, which puts immigration to this country as one of our largest expenses, to which we receive 250,000 new Canadians every year... But to be fair to the topic we are talking about refugees here, and not immigrants, because refugees do not have to meet the same standard as immigrants do they ? and why should they.....refugees can cost even more than immigrants, they don't have the skills we are looking for, so we must train them , they don't have the cash to sustain them, so we have to provide for them, they don't have the same level of education , another expense... I've engaged 100's of muslims all over the middle east from Pakistan, Afghanistan,Egypt, even gaza strip, and your right they are not all bad, most where good people, friendly, polite, even giving in certain ways, but that is not to say they're culture and religion does not make a huge divide, between ours....like oil and water.... For instance our interpreter who was excepted into Canada under a special program, would give his shirt off his back if you asked for it. But he had very strong opinions on women, and their roles, none of them very flattering to the point they were regressive.... We did not talk much about our religious beliefs as the conversation would quickly turn into heated arguments....His religious and culture beliefs were ingrained into his personality, and he was not going to change them....for instance he did not believe we were his equals, not because he hated white guys, or the west, but rather his religion dictated it.... We would sometimes joke about how he was going to have to change when he came to Canada, to which he always replied Why, i am who i am, i can not change that..... Does all this ensite make me an expert, shit NO, what it taught me is to respect them for who they are, not to discuss politics or religion with any muslim....So when some one says that everything will go as planed, nothing will happen, these are JUST people i have concerns.....concerns of safety, concerns about how they will adjust to our our culture, and how will that adjustment effect me.....if the adjustment can be made at all..... I'm not the only Canadian that thinks like this, many ex muslims also have concerns....and i'm sure they are not racist , but rather enlighten over the whole Islam thing.....

Why is it that when a Canadian expresses their feelings that they are concerned about who they are letting into this nation, our nation,be it a certain group, or religion they are lambasted as being racist or racish if there is a such a thing as racish..... I to have a lot of concerns, most the same as kimmy's , concerns that Islam and it's teachings can be poison, and when mixed with poverty, certain cultures,it can be very bad combination....I don't consider myself to be racist.....i personally could not give a rats ass if you were purple with warts on your dick.....But there is a line in the sand as there is with everything.....Canadians have the shortest memories in the world, that and they don't really give a shit about what is going on around the world.... Kimmy has brought up some valid points.....Europe over flowing with these refugees, to the point they can barely cope with them all, most of these european countries are now having major issues with "Muslim" refugees, not only problems with crime, but employment, housing, and in a lot of cases ungrateful refugees who had visions of massive welfare systems, pay outs....and are finding out there is no golden bucket under the rainbow..... I watched Hudsons video he posted, but once it ended, up came 6 more choices.....most of them dealing with the issues we don't here about in Canada....U tube clips on just about everything related to refugee crises, there are thousands of them......some made by news agencies, some made by individuals from the countries effected, some by the refugees themselves.....they don't paint the rosey picture and fairy tale ending we are all seeking......it paints one that could only end badly, for us and them......I'm concerned that all this and more will spill on to our shores.... It does not make me a racist.....but rather a concerned Canadian, who loves this country just the way it is....with out all the drama....

Turkey is walking a thin line here, i'd bet my next pension check that the next Russian bomber will not be without an escort.... I also find it hard to believe that the SU-27 was as deep into turkey as they claim....I mean i'm no expert in aerial tactics, but did turkeys rules of engagement include, that perhaps the pilots did not understand the warnings or was unable to hear the warnings , meaning bad comms....did the turkish pilot fly up to the russian Jet.....letting the russian pilot know he is in deep shit.....i mean every pilot must know when they are being targeted by another aircraft.....that is kind of an international sign when your warning systems are screaming in your ear it is time to bug out over somewhere friendly..... Derek can correct me if i'm wrong.....but unless Turkey was trying to hide something on the ground like some vital target, the whole point of escorting someone outside your air space is getting them to leave ASAP, without engaging .....firing missiles should be a last resort....locking your targeting systems on an aircraft, is like cocking your wpn, everyone knows what is next.... If we followed this doctrine the north would be littered with Russian bears....

I do agree that "collateral damage" does create more terrorists, and that revenge is a part of their culture, for some "not all" but lets just say your right, of those 250 that have died as Collateral damage, it would have created just 500 additional recruits.....there has to be more to it than that, 500 additional recruits does not equate their current numbers or their successes...... Nor does it take into account how many insurgents have died in those same attacks......which is more than 500 , if you are to believe the news or the reports from other coalition forces that have done BDA (Bomb Damage assessments) .....which have proven that Airstrikes, are reducing enemy strength faster than their recruiting programs can replenish. Nor does it take into account ISIL crimes, i mean your equation must be a double edge sword right, how many Kurds has ISIL actions recruited, to name just one of the persecuted groups that ISIL has created... I'm sure it is more than just 500 , i am guessing as i don't have any source.... Collateral damage is tragic, but it is a part of warfare, there has never been a clean war in which only combatants die.....never has been never will be....Sure there are rules to limit it, but there are no rules to eliminate it....that is a impossible task...

Canadian history is full of Canadians who have taken up causes around the world, some more famous than others, The history channel has made several series on this very topic, Such as the Canadian who flew for Britain with a wooden leg during WWII, or Israels first pilots were from around the globe, including Canada, and some of their ground commanders were Canadian, they have fought in almost every conflict, for almost every side, including Germany, Russia and Japan during WWII... they fought under many flags,not all of them were fighting for money , but ideals, morals and values some good some bad.... My point here is it takes a special kind of person to take action "any type of action" for their beliefs, ideals.. to risk it all for what they believe in.....Not everyone does...Canada does not hold the keys for "Good Causes safe", nor does her soldiers....I think that if those causes follow Canadian values, follow our basic moral compass settings, then they should also not be forgotten and remembered some how....be it in our history books, or a trip down some highway.....their sacrifice may not have been for Canada herself, but rather for another good cause for another nation in need..... As a former soldier i'm sure those Canadian soldiers that have taken that long trip from Trenton to Toronto before young Mr Gallagher would not mind sharing the highway of hero's for his last trip...I think his motives, and intentions were in the same place as our soldiers are....I Think we owe him that for his former service in the very least....

You forgot to mention that , the very same Military base that once was a Republican Guard base now belongs to the government of IRAQ, that was created under inter national law, who has the rights to create their own laws and up hold them.....Last time i checked the Sunni's did not own any territory within IRAQ, nor do they own they're own country, but rather they are citizens of IRAQ, who come under control of the Iraqi government.... How can this not be an occupation ? Has Iraq created a Sunni state,have they redefined their borders in any way? Originally they are Iraqi's citizens, who happen to practice the Sunni faith...there is no such thing as Sunni Territory that is recognised by inter national law... If we were to follow your premise, you could declare your home and land the new country of "BIG GUYS", refusing to follow any Canadian law, pay taxes, and kill who ever you disliked because that was you wish, and it would according to you not be considered an Occupation, because you fit in with the local populace.....I'm not an expert on law, but i am 100 % positive that the Canadian government and all her depts, would not be long in acting , to reclaim your new country, and restore Canadian law and order.... You may of even given credence to Israelis land claims.....and yet the rest of the world still calls it an occupation..... What is ISIL, a bunch of pissed off Iraqis, who are tired of living under the new Iraqi government,because their class use to run the country.....so they have taken up arms, it is a group that uses terror to achieve its aims...it is a group that is ethically cleansing everything in its path to create their own twisted version of paradise. How can you tell them apart, very carefully....which is why this type of warfare is so difficult....

according to both news agencies , the Syrian was id through finger prints they had tracked his passport to Greece which was screened by UN pers.....I'am not making this up as I go, .......the media.....well maybe but I don't think so .....

I get it, suck it up butter cup.....put a brave face on so we don't look weak in front a bunch of terrorist.....personally I don't give a rat ass what they think, they have already long ago decided what that is.....nothing the west does or does not do will change that.....Canadian citizens are concerned about bring 25,000 refugees to this country.....can you blame them.....everyone of us has a TV , violence is on every night, with the prime bad guys being Muslim terrorists..... I don't agree what those young punks did to that women or mosque.....that was a cowardly attack....But telling all Canadians to suck it up is bull shit....the majority is changings its mind about them coming here.....time to face that issue.....

CTV and CBC both have reported that one of the dead terrorist had a Syrian passport and was reported to have been omitted to Greece through and with the refugees.....UN does the pre screening does it not.....unless you have a source that states something else....

What about out governments obligations to ensure our security ?

I hope the UN does a better job than they did with that guy that was part of the Paris attacks....

Today I was in town getting some repairs down to my truck, had a chance to talk to a lot of different people in the dealership.....these people are now second guessing our nation intent about letting 25,000 Syrians in the country.....you call them lazy haters.....you say they are repeating misinformation....was Paris misinformation, was the downing of a Russian plane misinformation, ........was the fact that one of those men had been screened by the UN, and let into Europe....the new is full of information every night....most of it is not misinformation.....but fact....

Lets not forget that it was a US Marine Vietnam Vet, that stood guard at our national war memorial after Cpl Cyrillo was gunned down, and our country went into lock down....and the memorial stood unguarded.... While not all Canadians feel the need to honor US vets, I sir have had the honor to share the battle field with US soldiers, and have no problems calling them brothers in arms....and would gladly do it all over again....

Try and bend the pin after you placed it through the fabric, you don't have to bend it much but it will help, also pin it through several times, leaving the end buried in material...to avoid it poking you..... Burying a poppy helps our legions out, for many legions this is there main source of revenue.....legions ...who intern helps our vets and many other members in smaller communities out in many ways.... I just want to say thank you, for helping us to keep our promise to never forget those that have fallen in the service of their country....

If any de escalation was being done it is not made apparent in the videos, with the exception of someone going to get the tazer....as you say.... from what I saw, I see dozens of cops not doing anything, it is complete caus....it looks like no one is in charge, it looks like they the rest of the cops are more than happy to take rambos lead....Am I an expert on cops tactics.....no....What I do know is military tactics, and seen more than my share of situations such as this.....I can tell you not many of those cops know what's going on, nor what they are suppose to do....they are not working as a team....but one big cluster fuck.... and when confusion rains, shit like this happens..... You say the suspect attacked.....not true.....he moved forward, and not in a fast deliberate move, because the way the doorway is made, the suspect was still behind the driver seat at the time of the shooting....he still had about 6 ft to negotiate then make a turn down a small set of steep stairs....the suspect distance from the officer did not warrant a shot fired....He panicked and you know it.....listen to the audio file 3 quick shots, and he had a clear view of the suspect, the inside of the car was lite.....at a distance of less than 25 feet at the max.....HOW could he miss....these are aimed shoots.....even air force cooks could hit a target with a 9 mm pistol at 25 feet...."To put some perspective into this my pickup is 20 ft long" and it only has a 6 ft box.... Trust me when I say if you can not fake being hit by a 9mm, id you do you deserve an acting award....I was in the the same tent, Big ass tents (BAT) as they called them in KAF, when someone cleaning his pistol "so he says", in a few tents over shot one of my comrads in the lower back.....no faking there.....we all knew he had been hit with a round, we heard the round strike skin and bone, we saw him fly off his bed, we saw the pain he was in.....we knew he had been shot right away..... You say it would have been hard to see the suspect, your wrong....try it look out one of your windows at night with the lights on.....can you see clearly outside, no you can't........ but go outside and look into the light window from 25 feet and you can see clearly who or what is inside....the suspect would not know where the police officer was.....but the officer knew exactly where the suspect was...... Cop's must pass a yearly firearms qual.....and 18 % is NOT the Passing mark.....I get it the stress level is not there, it's a day on the range....which is why we train, and why the pass mark is well above 18 %.... so even a basic cop can hit a target at 25 feet....and if they can't one should be taking some more time on the ranges.... At 25 feet you see everything, the entrance hole, the splash of the round into the sand, the flex of the target....if you want me to believe he did not see the rounds hit the suspect then his eyes were closed....which might explain why he had to fire 9 times.....he had to have seen the target go down, slump onto to floor.....he had to have seen the reaction to being struck by bullets in some form..... No cops are trained to shoot for the center of mass just like we are, because it is the much larger target, easier to hit.... And if cops are worrying about getting sued for shooting someone then we have a much bigger problem don't we.....And while there are bad cops, like there is bad soldiers, I am not trying to paint them all with the same brush , just Rambo here in this video. He was not acting professionally, tell me do you think the Toronto PD is using this as what to do for future trainees, or are they looking at this as an embarrassing mishap.....well he has been charged with murder has he not.....do you think the Toronto PD shooting investigators cleared him, how did the prosecutors office press charges without evidence . They should be very upset, this could have been in any part of Toronto, to any one of our kids.....for several reasons, restore trust in the PD, get cops like this off the streets, and send a message the police dept does not have the license to kill , it has the responsibility to serve and protect.....no where does it say, piss me off and i'll kill your ass.... which is my point, SERVE and PROTECT.....

De-escalation should be the first option always...it is the common sense approach....how many times did we take this type of training before going overseas, every time we went to Yugo it was the same thing over and over, shoot or don't shoot, most of the videos we watched were police training videos....Never did we walk on to a situation wpns drawn , start shooting and we were in a combat zone.....Access the situation, find out what happened, talk to those involved, De escalate if possible....Use common sense.......then follow your ROE's..... No common sense used here, this cop goes from zero to killing in record time, and yet there are are lot of officers on the scene just walking around like everything is fine, under control, like they were in the park walking a dog..........which i find odd, shit even after the first three shoots most are not even armed or have pulled their wpns.....it's like they are shocked that shots were fired...This has got to tell you something about the mood.... Where is the Chain of Command.....all these cops and nobody is in charge....that has to be strange even a private knows that, it is trained into us in the very beginning of training "SOMEONE NEEDS TO TAKE CHARGE" ....instead they let rambo continue on his power trip, or how was it put "compile or die" speech .....note that none of the other officers are checking out the car when the suspect is fully engaged up front....it was like i said everything was normal they were waiting for the tazer.....then Rambo starts to flex his shit..... No one is checking, is they're any else in there? is there another access piont , The reason i ask is this it would have been one more piece of the puzzle, to confirm they is no hostage would mean they could have locked this down wait for ERT to arrive, along with the negotiator ....a group that is trained in this type of situation.....Just a point of note Toronto ERT are proud of their resolution ratings, 97 % are done without shoots being fired.....or so says their web site...meaning Rambo missed another option he could have used..... My biggest issue here is 9 shots......OK it's night i get that, but this is a police officer which is familiar with his own side arm, atleast... i hope, might be 20 25 feet away, he has a clear line of sight, the car is light inside, So he can clearly see his target.....so why , why so many bullets.....Shit a monkey can throw a ball of shit 25 feet and hit moving targets, seen it at the zoo......but this cop can not put down one teenager with 9 rounds and a tazer.....You said how would you know if you hit the target.....trust me when i say you hit someone with a bullet they are going to show it some how....i mean the shooter is looking down the sights of his wpn, he sees the target, he will also see the splash, or bullet strike.....if not they will atleast see the target react to being shot.....Even the cooks could hit a target from 25 feet.... SO why 9 shots, well they say he was still armed.....still had the knife in his hands.....while in Afghanistan, i took a piece of grenade fragment to the ass, while clearing a trench line, "my fault" i jumped into the trench to early.....anyways this inch long of white hot piece of metal in my ass, is frying the meat around it.....the last thing in my mind was to drop my wpn, in fact my first worry was to pull this thing out of my ass cheek....My section mates tried to wrestle me to the ground to no avail, because i was jumping up and down, screaming get it out , get it out.....Why because it was burning my flesh and hurt like nothing i felt before....i could not imagine doing that 9 times.....My point is , the think is he is still armed, way of thinking is flawed.....he may of been armed but he was no doubt down and out of the game after three shots..... 9 shots shows alot of things , Rambo is not sure about the effects of his wpns, he lost control of his situational awareness meaning he was consumed with one thing engagement of his target nothing else nor was he aware of the condition of his target even after the pause. Then to fire 6 more rounds is hard to imagine.........and then to top it all off lets put a tazer into him.....shows me no one had the balls to go inside to disarm the suspect....they had to taze him just to make sure.....after nine rounds this guy is bleeding out fast....

I think the government has bigger fish to fry than to improve upon a law that only 3 people have been charged with since it's inception. Don't get me wrong i think treason to ones country is about as bad as it gets,perhaps as a private members bill, maybe it will get done, but i don't think it will be changed any time soon. We have had several cases that could or should have been brought to charge, the entire Khadr family would be one, and the other dozen or so Canadian terror suspects, i don't think Canadians have the stomach to go that far, or get that serious with that kind of criminal charge... There has been mentioned here a lot of different course of action that try to explain what to do with persons caught in terrorist acts.....First off Canadian prisons here are a joke, when you compare them to third world countries prisons, trust me if they had a choice of serving time here in Canada or in say Afghanistan, it would be a no brainer.....cable TV, 3 meals a day, the list is long, and sweet here in Canada. Why not just follow the law, if they are caught overseas, then they should be tried in that country to which they carried out the crime, and they should serve that full sentence in that same country. During that time Canada could remove it's citizenship to those that have duel citizenship to ensure they no longer return to Canada or their loved ones. To those that are only Canadian citizens, they should be returned to Canada but have their travel restricted, in other words banned from traveling to other nations.

Actually there still on the law books , unless you can provide a better source. I think you'll find it covers a lot more than attacking ones own country, http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/treason/ or this Law site, which states the law is still there, however questions if anyone will be charged with it, as the law is to old, and needs revision. http://www.c2cjournal.ca/2010/03/has-treason-run-its-course-in-canada/

You can jam almost any freq, there is a big difference between R/C vehs you buy at the local toy store and those drones that the military flies which are hardened to jamming....The Canadian military has been using jamming tech for twenty or more years now, from radar, to radio, to communications modes....we used a Cell and radio jammers in Afghanistan, both in a mobile platform and a stationary one, the mobile one was mounted in a LAV and had a range of about 750 meters or more, and it could jam all known cell freq's, along with a long list of others such as garage door openers, and others as the bad guys used them to detonate IED's it was used in large convoys.....the stationary ones gave were used at our main exits and entrances to the camps, once again to counter IED's....We also used cell trackers that could tap into any cell conversation in the area, listen to what was being said, and to find out the caller and the listeners location.....it to was available in a stationary or mobile platform...If we had a known bad guys location were would cause a diversion such as land a few tank or arty round close to their location, then listen to who he phoned to report the attack to.....and continue this process until we had all the bad guys locations noted for later.....