Army Guy

I Current fleet of F-18's can and are meeting all obligations according to DND, but then again what do they know.....the government would know more than the guys operating them....As to an open competition, i wonder if the guys at DND know , since the project current sits at what 4 or 5....due to past and current government putting the project on hold....until election has been sorted out..still waiting....but atlas liberals decide to force an interim aircraft through instead, stating that Our current CF-18 aircraft no longer meet all our defense agreements, days later DND responds with Yes the will, out until 2025 in fact...

are you saying that the CEO were handed their jobs on a silver platter, or did they have to earn those positions.....

Your right Smallc, there are no camps, but lots of prisons, you know the type of prisons i'm talking about some of the more famous were located in Iraq thanks to Sadams kids, not to mention Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, alot of other stans.....infact most muslim countries have prisons know to do a little torture now and then, just to keep the trade going you know....or there is the just driving you out to the desert thing....so no camps per say, but institutions where the same result is given, death....by torture... or perhaps you are saying Muslims do not live in fear....over what might happen to them if they speak out, maybe draw a cartoon of allah, burn the koran in the streets, or denounce the muslim religion all together, in public....perhaps your wife goes out without a male escort, or she tells someone you cheated on her.....

WOW, i'm stepping away from the chain saw....nobody is going to cut down your tree sir....move along people nothing to see here, just another liberal melt down....

So what do we call them, i mean those forced to work for the Nazi machine, out of shear survival, or fear of being sent to a camp......what do we call them....what do we call them when they where forced to take part in the death camps, what do we call them when they told on their neibours for some nazi crime....what do we call them when they worked in the factories producing german war materials....what do we call them when they turned thier backs on all the crimes that german nazi party committed. Are you saying Canada is not free to chose what people come into Canada ? Have we always picked small groups from every nationality available in the world...every year...I can remember a time when nobody wanted Jews and were very vocal about it....i get it things have changed, since then...i mean do you think it would even be questioned.....Hey why is Canada not bringing in any people from the middle east.....think it would come up in the UN..... .

Come on Squid at least put on the crocodile tears outfit for the readers....maybe put up some pictures of teen moms routing through garbage cans..... dirty little kids dressed in rags, tagging along in the back ground..... "Parents" should be responsible for their kids bad choices not the tax payers, and if they refuse, TFB.....we already have a welfare system in place, we don't need two of them. Can't find work move, upgrade your education, work two jobs, if you do nothing to change your situation then nothing will change...........Of course Squid is now going to tell us of all the Liberal generated programs coming out shortly.....oh wait....so it is not just a conservative approach is it.....in fact liberals care about as much as we do....not to much.... I'm sure the average Canadian would be thrilled to hear we are picking up the tab for someones poor choices. And from the sounds of it not a cheap tab either.....Instead of a new welfare system why not offer free education, so there would not be any excuses, to many people are abusing the current welfare system we have, can't wait to see the new one , pay these people even more money for doing nothing.... I've got neighbors that do that very thing, take advantage of the welfare system, the whole damn family lives under one roof all of them are on in, shit there is even boy friends and girl friends all under the same roof.....Dad just bought a new dodge ram, to tow his 30 foot camper trailer he bought last year ......He's never worked since high school, he's 55 years old....tell me as tax payers why should we be paying for his fat ass....because he chooses to stay home, and collect his money for nothing.... I'm i jealous , i'd be lying if i told you no, i just have to much pride to take money i did not earn.....there is a lot of people taking advantage of the system, and yes it pisses me off....when a capable, healthy person refuses to help themselves, because of hand outs...Now i get there are families out there that do need this help...but to be on it for 38 years and brag about it to all his neighbors....well sir puts it all into a whole new category.....

I to thought O' leary was our man for the job, and now having second thoughts. Again it has to do with recent statements. Not sure if the military would get any support from him, as deficit reduction would be a key stone block for them, which would mean no additional spending..no frills for anyone....

I think you said it all in the first line, you brought it up, and had convinced yourself that screening would not work....it's very clear in your posts, and somehow you find it surprising on how it turned out.... Maybe your right screening for values is not worth it....but in light of what we did learn, through this discussion is our immigration system is far from perfect, maybe even flawed or broken.....and nobody has the will to fix it....not the cons, not the libs, not the NDP.....if not them who then....only one that is talking about it is who again.....Kellie leitch..oh and Argus ( i'm voting for you buddy).....or we can swipe another problem under the carpet, and do the Canadian thing, bitch about it.....

We already had this discussion, when some one asked if they believed all germans were Nazi's....at the start of the war their was plenty of germans that did not believe in the Nazi movement...some where arrested, sent to prisons, or to their deaths, or fled germany....."i can not live under this regime", as the war progressed most germans were afraid not to be Nazi's trying not to suffer the same fate as the others , by mid war almost all germans was supporting german Nazi cause be it working in the factories, force conscription into the services, etc etc.....while some kept their hands clean, or at least blood free, alot took their roles in the movement seriously. One could substute the term Nazi's for Muslims in a lot of muslim countries, one could say not all muslims are bad, but how many muslims fear for their lives and are forced to lived they way they do, to live their lives according to the law of the land is pure survival...where public stonings are common, as well as honor killings, beating of women, cutting hands off of thieves, the list goes on and on.....and those good muslims we talk about do nothing about it, they take no action, nor talk about it .... they life in fear..... they are just as guilty as those that take part in those activities, everyone has choices, everyone is judged by the choices they make...Not that we are perfect, but i doubt many Canadians have taken part in a stoning,or cut the hands off a thief, or had their wifes killed because YOU cheated on her..... So why not just gloss over that region and move on to the next region, where morals and values are some what similar to ours.

Thats simple, nobody knows of any existing one, that would work in this situation, I did say with over 40 million people in this country you think that one could be made, i think so....what it looks like , how it works, i just don't know. Sorry....but i also don't buy into the issue that it can not be done, shit someone once said we could not go to the moon either...yet we manged that, but some how we can not come up with some questions, hard to believe.....

I did'nt ask if the cons liked it or could have fixed it.....trust me not to happy with their track record either...the question was do you think our Immigration system needs fixing....yes or no.

Thank you.

So what are you saying , that our immigration policies are set up to take a little from around the entire globe so we don't offend anyone.....Just a question during the Somolia crisis did we send a immigration team down to help the thousands of Somolians who were dying of starvation and insurgency warfare.....Nope....IS that racist, blatant discrimination....WTF was that.....same thing in Rwanda.....still no team ......But that was then, a different time, like Canada just grew out of it's racists past....like being born again or something. Poof no more racism or at least blatant discrimination.....some one stood up on his soap box and demanded from all Canadians , we will no longer be racist or discriminatory to any one.....Send them in by twos, one male , one female.... We are in charge of our own destiny, we can recruit people from any where around the globe....it does not say we have to stop at each stop and bring in thousands, whos culture does not mix well with ours.

So your good with our current immigration system then, we get what we pay for.....Right, that would explain all these mistakes that have allowed criminals to enter Canada...thats why we have so many people awaiting to be deported, yes the examples keep coming ....But what we get in return is the typical Liberal answer, it's all about the Money Baby....and everything is going to be ok.... recruit people where we can readily check all the records with little to no costs, like say europe, If it is all about the bottom dollar.....But we have to have some color in there some where, have to look good in front of the cameras...Lets see we got brown guys, some white guys, some asians ....hey what happened to the black guys, or other brown guys like south america, mexico, sorry we don't recruit to many of those guys....Did we send a mission down to Somolia , where they were dying by the thousands from starvation,and war....

The liberals know exactly how each dept sits, what it's shortfalls are, where they like to invest or expand etc,etc....And they have deemed it to be just fine, it works, relax....do you see any new funding coming forth for new hires..... But then again that was not the question, why is it you are opposed to the asking of questions ?????????????????? your grasping right now, you did'nt read the posts that were provided or you would have known about the short falls , and the back logs, etc.etc....So what is the really reason you don't want any questions being asked.....

I was asking a question, with a comment you made, sorry did not know we could not ask questions...Thanks for the answer i think ...

And here i thought the federal government ran on a fiscal budget running from APR 1 st until 31 March every year...perhaps you can show me a source that says other wise.

And how much time are they devoting to each file, i mean immigration checks are not their primary role, and all our security apparatus depts are under manned, under equiped. which is the point, the job is not getting down as we expect it to be...How could known criminals get through the system if it is as layered as you say, that complete back ground checks are down, I mean these guys may be moving in next door to you are you not curious.....and what would the difference be if the decided we will add another step to the process, ask a few questions over the course of time, question odd responses....Why is it to much for you, does it go again'st some of our rights , is it again'st some law, some religious faith thing....why does asking a few questions bother you so much ???? AGain you've made up your mind already "no way it is going to work" and yet it has worked for many government depts when screening candidates for certain jobs...or perhaps you have a source that states other wise, i'd be interested in reading it.

I've read all the posts where did you post a source that says value screen does not work or never has worked ? other than your word. And yet you have brushed aside a lot of evidence provided by other posters, dismissed it all, and closed your mind to any other result other than your own, and your surprised it did not work out in your favour.... One of the main reasons Canadians fear their immigration system, is Muslims...we all get the fact not all muslims are the same, but when was the last time there was no mention in the media of a terrorist attack some where in the world. some days there are dozens, most if not all lead, planned, and carried out by a muslims. And not just again'st infidels, most of the targets are other muslims. it paints a pretty vivid picture, they can't stop this violence, shit they don't even like each other....and we wonder why they are featured in every conversation...

You have not even heard the questions yet, how can you make an assumption before knowing what the questions will be. Perhaps it is the idea of any questions being asked that you dislike. And you've already made up your mind, "nope questions will not do" and are not open to any other argument. And yet Argus has already provided evidence that our Immigration offices are over worked, and do not spend much time on each file, in fact have to complete x amount of files per day like a quota. Hard to be our nations first line of defence when you spend less than 10 minutes on each file...Perhaps the questions are not enough, perhaps what we need is a total revamp of the immigration system, where proper security checks can be done, references checked out, proper intel files made. Right now we are playing Russian roulette with terrorists or possible terrorist. They're are already examples of known criminals entering our nation, once they have become known , we can not find them or evict them...or bring them to justice takes years.... And here we are arguing about some questions, and what should they be composed of..Sounds about right , no wonder our nation can not make decisions in a timely manner.

So are all tax payers now going to be held accountable for people who have made bad choices along the long road of life. getting pregant at 15 or 16 years of age, failure to complete high school, failure to get a higher education, to damn lazy to get of their arses to find a good job or upgrade their education...for every free program you bring forward, there are thousands that will take advantage of it....every one likes free.... What ever happened to work hard and earn a honest living....there are thousands of jobs out there , Stop blaming automation on job losses, automation has been happening since the begining of the 1900's.....it is not a new concept, failure to keep current in what jobs are viable or not ,and your deemed to find yourself in the unemployment lines.

Are you suggesting their is no one in Canada capable of composing a series of questions that would assist immigration officials in revealing these traits. I mean the military has a test that measures certain traits required for certain occupations, in fact they have been using them for years now. Because the posters do not know the exact question that would be asked does not mean the whole topic is not valid.

Here is an awesome idea, lets not recruit from that region.

Voicing your opinion has a cost then, that cost is getting arrested, or hurt in a riot or worse....One could have told harper to screw off many different ways , registered letter, e-mail, a sign in the city, any ways you get the point.....My point i was making is you can not fight city hall and expect to win.

Well if those Countries have displayed the will not to change, in fact none of them have expressed the need to change or become less oppressive. why is that because their religion forbids it.....But the new wave of technology and our uncontrollable need to hug everyone has lead us down this path....we have tried our systems onto other countries , it failed, leaving those countries to their own devices , has failed, now we want to invite them into our country, and turn them into Canadians by constant hugging....which is no different than forcing our systems onto them, i mean do you think they just want to be Canadian ...if so why can't they be converted in their own homelands...... but that is not where you want to stop is it.....we have to compromise, to make everything all nice, so what do we give up, and what do they gain to make all this work....