Army Guy

Well it does not matter now, Liberals have released they are going ahead to purchases upto 18 Super hornets as an interim aircraft.....All this goes again'st everything DND has told them, that CF-18 are good until 2025, giving them lots of time to run competition, the extra costs of running two fleets of aircraft such as training, for pilots, maintenance crew, etc... Infact the liberals have even changed the amount of aircraft the Airforce Needed, on this one point i would agree with them, however the Cons gave them a dollar value and told them to stay within it.....that number was 65.... All this so the liberals can push this we need fighters off to the next government....so they do not have to purchase the F-35....so the rest of us are asking why, they have already lied about so many other things what is one more promise....made without all the info required at the time....and now it is going to cost Canadians bils so the liberals don't have egg on their face....these bils could have been used some place else within DND..... Can't wait to see them touch the Ship building project.....or maybe they pass that on on to, i mean to get burned on 2 projects would look like they are no better than the cons....maybe it is time to give the NDP a shot...then again maybe not...

OH it gets better lockmart has already come out and said that within the next 5 years the cost of an F-35 will be 80 to 95 million each....but all of that would have come out in a competition....which we don't need any more....liberals changed the rules and laws.....now a bunch of civilian politicians sit around and pick military equipment that looks cool or they seen on TV, either that or someone has stuffed american dollars into someones pockets.... Canadian Air force are sitting around HQ's with their mouths dropped open, asking WTF just went on.....and we wonder why our purchasing of major equipment is so beyond repair....that now everyone just says fu** it....we like that one we'll take 65.....

I'm sure your not a liberal, just a 5 th row cheerleader, for them.......your party is something like the rhino party, it's on the ballet but has done nothing for the country since it's inception.........and since they have not amount to anything you've jumped on the liberal gravy train because "well the guy has a good set of hair" like most new liberals have.....you guys are now having to reap what you sowed......once all those new taxs come into play in 2018.....most of you will be singing a new tune....."who let that guy IN" ....

Not a good sign at all, this is almost a done, deal, in fact Minster of National Defense has said they won't release a price tag until after a deal has been signed.....Sounds like the liberal parties transparency policy just went out the window.....No competition, no consultation, no info being released to public .....according to boeing in the interview they say US naval info on pricing is accurate, they quote 115 to 120 million per Aircraft, not including wpns and ammo, nor training,.....sounds transparent to me.....even if we did eliminate the F-35 , what of the other aircraft in the pile.....gone....who needs a competition any ways.... The liberal party is racking them up faster than the media can print the stories.....oh well another 2 1/2 years to go can't wait to see what happens tommorrow......I also can't wait to see about any new news on the ship building program and what the VCDS got suspended for .....maybe he found out the liberals bought 24 new Canoes from canadian Tire....

WOW.....nice try though....

Thats what happens when you vote anything but harper.....those NDP'ers shoring up the liberal ranks, because we could not stomach another 4 years of Harper......And now they have to life with their decision...... Hear them..I can hear them from here.......can't you hear they're screams, liberals are being called everything but white assholes....wait from the corner out it came "white assholes"....there you have it folks, liberals light another fire under you ass....flames are getting higher......hows that song go down , down , down my ring of fire.....the flames are getting higher.....could not of happen to a nicer bunch of guys.....but hey he has a good head of hair....

And because of that position she can hold a press conference at anytime and the media will come, and she will be heard across Canada....about you and me try that, phone up CBC tell them you have something to say, see where it gets you.....yes we all enjoy the same freedoms and rights, but to say we are all equal is false....Although she is not the Gov Gen she still holds the Canadian media in her pocket, and should be mindful of what she says....because she has access to a wide audience and people listen.

I see the incidents are similar, what i don't see is an ... a equal response by both sides...For instance during this attack, there has been overwhelming response by all Canadians to condemn this attack, Canadians are Pissed off, not just the muslim community but most Canadians....they want justice and they want it bad....we are talking more about this attack as a nation, not all of it is good, but we are talking..... Cpl Cirillo attack , on the other hand , yes it sparked some discussions, most of them were about muslims, and terrorism, and the muslim community did say a few things....condemning the attacks, etc etc , but there is always a but.....their response was some what muted to a point.....Here we have other Muslims offering to pay for funerals, to rebuild the mosque, and so on....we have other Canadians also offering help both financial and in support of making this right...... and alot of this support response is coming from other Canadians, across Canada....Not that this is a bad thing, maybe we are just growing tired of the terrorism thing....and the next attack i hope the muslim community steps it up as well.....they need to be the leaders in this fight....regardless of whom carries out the attack.....show other Canadians where they stand, to stop this growing tit for tat thing....all terrorism needs to be put down hard....it needs to happen fast....Canadian muslim population needs to send the message to incoming muslims as well ....you rock the boat, we'll throw you out....don't bring all that hate into our new country....They need to earn the trust of other Canadians....

If that is the case what is the CDS doing, ......to much speculation.....running rampant in this government , at least let us know what he is being charged with.....we can talk details later....

we are all going to have to adjust, this is not a normal US Canada relations we are about to embark on.....but if you have watched him in c=action just on twitter, he can screw with people badly, add the full weight of the US presidency and you've got trouble......want to risk all that because you want to be right , over what exactly.....some people not allowed in the USof A.....pick your battles carefully......this is what retired Gen Lesly is telling trudeau relax think it over, pick your battles.... aside from the that fact what do we as a nation expect to win or gain by pissing off the US president....the worlds largest economy, military, largest everything.....what have we got again....we got new trucks for the army....

i Agree.....

I get it Smallc, but it is happening all over the world and no one gives a rats ass....but when it touches us here in Canada, it becomes a different story....all terrorism should be dealt with in the same manner white or brown......but it needs to be consistent, from everyone....not just white Canadians but muslim as well.

i don't know hence why the question.....that being said there is a big question mark to just how well the job was done.....knowing full well it was mission impossible to start with impossible time lines.....a new mission for everyone involved....and having to deal with refugees with no id or passports....the difficulty of doing research required to bring them over to Canada was not ideal....Had a lot of the right or wrong conditions .....

some of the Khadrs were given immunity for their sharing intel with CIA, that does not mean they were angles in a combat zone, they were terrorists....enough or bad enough for the CIA to want to talk to them.....from there you need to connect the dots....in Aghanistan it would be enough to have a kill on sight order, here it need s to pass civilain over sight.... Anyways it was you who whips out the "he killed 6 people and omar only one"....you make it sound like it's a not a big deal to kill just one person..... He was wearing a uniform, a regular US army uniform, his red cross arm band was turned inside out, as to not show his red cross..... as required by the genva convention when carrying a wpn ( long arm).....He was following the convention......Omar was not wearing any uniform nor any identifying flag or band , contray to the convention....he was a civilian, who illegally took part in combat.....which is again'st the law.....which is why he can and was charged with murder.....see those conventions are made to protect civilians and soldiers alike.....if civilians start engaging soldiers it becomes difficult for soldiers to know who is who....See Omar was a Canadian citizen.....not afghanis....while not illigal, it is once you pick up arms for that nation.......he was later found out he was working for a terrorist outfit.....That's a big fat illegal......it's a criminal charge....during his trail it was proved he carried out terrorist activities....such as reporting troop movements and planting IEDs against coalition forces.......another criminal charge....the fact he was employed in a bomb makers shop was a NATO death sentence, meaning a kill order did not have to be generated to raid or capture any body involved with making IED's translated he could have been killed/ captured any where at any time.....he was lucky to have survived.... The fact he had a Sat phone on him and had used it the night before is what brought the shit storm all down.....as they knew who he was talking to , and they knew it was a high valued target.....and they wanted to know who he was speaking to.....happens to be omar.... as for the Sgt Speers him and his unit came under effective fire.....WTF did you want him to do....the fact that he was treating othesr medically during the fire fight means shit to you....because he was not acting as a medic at the time.......he was doing both.....i know hard concept....Omar was not charged with killing a operational medic, which is and has it's own set of conventions........he was charged with killing a US soldier, in a battle that omar should not have been in....

Ya it did....Islam and the west had everything to do with this.......you want to talk honestly then talk....but you can't leave the two elephants in the room and not mention them....it is now a contest to see you can kill or convert or recruit more people to do more violence.....any where in the west.....or middle east.

Like i said how would you verify anything if you could not contact persons that were used as character references.....remember most of these syrian cities are nothing more than shells now....people have been forced to move constantly.....how do you cross reference any of that.....you can't......it was up to the interviewer , that lasted maybe 45 mins to vet everything that was said......

Nice try, perhaps you should do some goggling.....he is a medic by trade.....that worked within the SF at the time....good thing it is not a point of order.....If you are asking me can i prove he killed any more i would say no, infact i have said no.........however it is likely as he planted a lot of IED's , most of which we destroyed by either civilians or military traffic...go figure....that much we know as it is on film...... As for the others Khadrs they did take part in terrorist activities, how many they killed no one knows for sure , not much in the way of courtroom evidence in a combat zone.....if that makes it ok for you to sleep at night so be it....does not mean it did not happen, just that it can not be proved in a court of law.....what evidence the CIA buried we do not know either.... Lets just be clear here Bissonnette is a terrorist no better or worse than any other terrorist.....regardless how many people he killed....but you want to turn this into a dick measuring contest how many people did he kill ?....as if there was merit in getting a high score.....there is not....only difference here is one group is living off Canadian good will, and laughing all the way to the bank. and the other is a White canadian kid, who gave himself up....for what reason again ? .....but he is the one Canadians want to hang by the balls.....Khadrs , ahhh we will live with those mistakes....Bissonnette not so much....

Reality is we could do alot better .....lets talk refugee for a min, what happened to all those that we interviewed , but had no papers or ID's because they were lost or destroyed in the conflict, or so the story goes, also how long did each interview last, i know some of the guys that were over there they say on average 45 mins, some less some more.....45 mins to determine good or bad.....little indepth research was conducted, as most of the time there no way to get a hold of character witnesses, or references....lets remember that this was a first time mission for the CF, and they conducted it as best they knew how......the rest of the organizations there had not conducted this type of mission either....it was all made up on the fly....

one US army Medic....however he planted IED's for a long time, are you saying he did not kill anyone with those .....SO we don't know for sure.... the question should be which one.....there is so many...

you can't compare......it's apples and oranges....we are not a muslim country....

Are you saying you can be a muslim without the islamic faith.....or are saying that it's all about a religion that can not be re written or modernized as it is again'st the religion itself and there fore can not be brought into the modern world , and is now up to your interpretation.....How is that working out....lets see we had the TALIBAN....then Al Qadia.....then ISIS, and ISIL those guys have some wicked interpretation.....not to mention the mostly muslim countries and each of their interpretations.... SO what is it.....can you be muslim , but not directly tied to islam, or is all this just everyone's interpretation of islam and its hard to do as it was written so long ago.....

Problem with that is they are one and the same.....

You know what i might be wrong about this whole thing.....and you might be right, time will tell....but i would always error on the side of caution....we have seen this president in action.....and maybe he is all hot wind.....or maybe he strips the entire thing....and we pay through the nose for a mistake....

How would you know eyeball, you must of got cable up in that tree of your yours.....last time we talked you only got the local station, and re runs of gilligans island, or was it the beach combers can't remember.... you hav'nt resisted anything in your life....well except that constant urge to pee into the wind....

You can call it all you want....i call it good leadership , not to taint any future meetings with a man who hold most of the cards in regards to NAFTA.....our largest trading partner....75 % of all our goods go to the US.....why would you risk losing any of that with a twitter remark, or comment.....you must see the logic in that....we have already seen the back lash caused when someone pissies him off....upsets him in some way, we already know his personality what he will do ....so with all that why risk that.....He is just getting started, at crossing off things he has promised off the list.....and he has said alot of them.....would it not be a better policy to sit back, silently and wait...What is retired gen Lesly advise him to do.....