Army Guy

Well i guess we will have to find a new topic to discuss....Trump just threaten Canada with 100 % tariffs on all Canadian products if the deal with China goes through...Is it going to be elbows up.....or will Carney be a yes sir ....i'm putting my money on the yes sir approach....Because Carney can't handle trump as he promised.....it was all lies... In this context do we really want cheap Chinese EV's or find another buyer for our Canola, and seafood. I mean since we are only considering the dollar value here because that is what freedom is right....the ability to buy cheap Sh!t Your augment of they make good wages....yes they do they also pay good taxes on those wages...Have you seen how much lobster/ crab fishers make in a season... Instead of arguing over which industry we should be sacrificing because of Cheap EV's, we should be talking about is China the client we want to sell our products to....we should be finding new buyers now today, and reducing our trade with China, and diversifying our markets to reduce the effect on tariffs for any one nation... As for buy Canadian....Ask US manufactures of hard liquor if the feel the pain from Canadians not buying us products, or traveling to the US...Why did all our food stores start labeling the origins of products if people are not buying Canadian....It is my personal opinion that all Canadians should be supporting the buy Canadian thing mean if we can't even do that, then stop complaining about everything....like jobs, unemployment, lack of any real industry ... https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-tariff-canada-china-goods-9.7059561

To be honest the whole premise of buying Canadian was to keep our dollars here and supporting Canadian jobs and workers....What does all that mean to you....it is obvious it means something different to you... Thanks for pointing that out, lets not wonder where all the jobs went then....Freedom also dictates we do not have to support a country that has screwed us in the past, they have executed Canadians for dealing drugs, they have taken hostage Canadians to prove a point, they have introduced crippling tariffs when it suits them, they have their own police stations here in Canada, they have interfered in our elections and much more....and after all that you still want to do business with them !!!!...which is why i asked the questions if our moral values mean nothing, then why not buy Russian products and oil....if that's all we are concentrating on is the money aspect because that is FREEDOM... Our own government introduced the BUY Canadian because of US tariffs...how do we go from black listing American goods and services, along with traveling else where and then doing the opposite with China...how do you square that hole...I look around in traffic and see thousands of American and Canadian made vehicles on the road all the time, have you looked at the prices of Dodges 3/4 ton pick up trucks, well over 100 k and i see hundreds of them on the road...So someone is buying them...Canadians are not as broke as you suggest... The Federal Government has given tax dollars to support a wide variety of industries including farmers, fishers, loggers, the list is endless, in order to save some industries...but your complaining they are pumping money into the auto sector...WHY ?

We are not talking about how many farmers and fishermen there are....we are talking about those effected by Chinese tariffs, and in this case it is canola farmers...why is that so hard to understand.... Once again YOUR LIEING... I never said one was more important than the other....no wonder most of your posts end up in name calling because you either don't understand the topic, or you can't help yourself and are dishonest....Go back and find where i said they were second class.... I'm not punishing you, i disagree with everything you have said in this topic....and you can take that anyway you want... I'm not denigrating you, your being dishonest ,and i'm calling you out on it... LOL...I'm embarrassing the uniform, I'm not the one pulling sh!t from your a$$, that would be you....and then lying about it... I'm not the only one that sees all of this, it's all laid out in black and white on these very pages for people to see, pretty much all your conversations go like this....you start losing the debate then you slip in the lies, then the name calling....Frankly you really don't contribute much to the conversation except hijacking posts...and turning them into sh!t shows... Instead of judging me and the others on here , you should reflect on yourself and what you really contribute here....

So much for buy Canadian....Thanks for your support.. If we went by your logic we could do that with every product China produces....there would not be many Canadian jobs left here in any sector....How much money has Canada donated to farmers that produce Canola...

And here i thought i was saying that dealing with China is a bad choice....with many better choices available....Doug ford is defending Good paying automotive jobs across the country....and some how he is the bad guy here....I mean come on...are you saying these jobs are not worth defending....What we needed as a more reliable trading partner, other than China....one that has not stab us in the back in the past....is that not the liberal line when we deal with the US....or is that script just apply to the States...

Then show me , should be easy it is all recorded on the forum.....Those are your quotes you provided them, and like i said they have nothing to do with the conversation at all.... AI did not decide to use them in this post YOU did that, just own your mistake...I don't have to be smarter, your provided source has nothing to do with the topic....that's on you ... I never said anyone was second class , to be honest you threw the auto workers under the bus , not me...What i suggested was dealing with a different country other than China for Canola...We meaning Canada did not have to deal with China at all... Your welcome did you think you where the only one with a down vote button....you can take them how ever you want you earned them....I takes a lot more than you to make me pissed off.... This is how you post most of the time your just burning band width, over petty stuff ,like some teenager....and when your cornered you just collapse, and revert back to being YOU for a lack of a better term...You've wasted enough of my time....

Are you saying it is all about the consumer....what about our dairy, Egg, cheese, maple syrup cartels, do they benefit the consumer or the manufacturer...and why do we have to do business with a nation that has attacked our market in the past...they are as unreliable as any dictatorship...why not bring in cheap Russia oil if thats the case...

More dishonesty, i did not ask for those stats, YOU and YOU alone provided them, even when they were irrelevant to the conversation... There are only 40,000 farmers who grew Canola last year, those are the people that will be effected by Chinese tariffs....not the entire industry, as your suggesting....Not sure why you can't see that, or your deliberately being dishonest.. That is the reality of this conversation, Chinese EV and those effected by Chinese tariffs... WOW, bottom line is you don't know what your talking about , car parts are made in various cities across Canada and the US...not just Ontario....Yes they have closed plants or reduced shifts....in reality that industry as it is right now grosses more to our GDP than Canola...it employs more than Canola, could ever dream off...and your take is well they are already hurting why not kick them in the nuts again....And i quote you said, they are going to lose their jobs anyways....so why stick up for them....And you say i'm the one out of touch with reality...every Canadian job needs to be fought for with this ongoing dispute with the US...Then there is China has already screwed us over many times in the past....And suddenly it is OK to start that relationship up again...That makes no sense....When Does Carney go to Russia and make a deal there....Seeing how we are now open for business to everyone...

Maybe it is time to do some research.....and those numbers have been sustained since the beginning of the war...and Russia is not transporting corpses any where they leave them where they fell, Ukrainian are sending back the bodies in mass....when they can... like we said do some research....Russia is very busy....

Not rejoicing, i find it funny that 16 air men made the news, and Canada acted like it was making a valuable contribution to an exercise...looking back it's not funny, its really sad that was the best we could do....

It is being splashed all over the media, Our military does not care what you think about them....they've learned long ago that they can not depend on Canadians to have their backs....And yet knowing that they still serve the Ungrateful....i guess they got more class, than you crissy you should stick to only fans and selling feet pics....

I've already given a source that states other wise and your numbers are inflated...Not to mention China has screwed us in the past....and is our nations number one threat, does that not count for anything....and if not why are we not dealing with the US....if we have no values when dealing with China....why are we so upset about the US... 3 % is a lot when your talking about a 16.8 bil dollar industry... https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/report-challenges-canolas-43-billion-100048737.html https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/canadian-automotive-industry/en About the industry What's new Made in Canada The future of Canadian vehicles Canada's automotive industry plays a key role in the economy. With a $16.8 billion contribution to GDP in 2024, it is one of Canada's largest manufacturing sectors. In 2024, the industry directly employed more than 125,000 people and indirectly supported approximately 427,000 jobs, including through aftermarket services and dealership networks.

Canada has had tariffs on US products for decades now , it is not something new as your suggest. That's not how business is suppose to work...why is it that most other business don't work that way...and why is it consumers have to be forced to pay these guys huge profits...in order for them to stay in business.. When you start subsiding any product your giving them a reason to tariff your products to make the competition more fair...Huge supply means lower prices for consumers , how is that a bad thing...these dairy cartels are making huge profits....when food is already price way to high...and the Canadians consumer is paying for all that...What does the Canadian consumer owe these dairy farmers ?....Sweet FA

It was not the only way, a much better way was to find another buyer or buyers for our canola....one that has been reliable in the past.....49,000 vehicles represents 3 % of our current auto motive industry...which is already reeling explain to me how that's a good idea... when our automotive industry contributes more to our GDP than canola does....China is not the only buyer on this planet...

Then why use that quote, those numbers are not relevant to the conversation are they....who cares how many farmers are in Canada the ones that are tariffed are the ones that grow Canola.. is that not what we are talking about ? ....And there are only 40,000 farmers that grow canola.... So what are you saying here the auto motive industry is failing lets kick them in the nuts sacrifice them for other industries....here is a thought, screw China and get other buyers for canola and sea food...keep that 3 % of our Auto sector intact..... So what are you saying AI, trumps all other sources....It is the quote you picked, own it....I get it very well , we should not being doing "any" business with China, They have screwed with us in the past, on top of took hostage two Canadians and executed Canadians for drug offenses, their human rights record is abysmal, along with Qatar's but who's counting we are in it for the money right.... is that what your implying...what's next are we going to start trading with Russia, Iran....that's where this is headed right....we don't care who we trade with now because the US is not a reliable trading partner...and yet the left was screaming about Israel moral values and screamed to have all trade be stopped immediately...but some how China is OK now.... below the source says the auto sector contributes more to GDP than Canola does....and your wonder why Ontario Premier is barking....and your implying it is OK to cut that by 3 % it does not make any sense....money wise... https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/report-challenges-canolas-43-billion-100048737.html

US gets a deal in Greenland It looks like Trump gets his deal in Greenland who would have known....I wonder what happens now...to all his doubters....to all the rhetoric of collapse of NATO, of European countries stationing troops on Greenland...sorry had to laugh there for a second as Canada volunteered 16 air force personal , Yes our highly trained Air force people will be wondering around in Greenland , doing what nobody knows, it's a secret ...Last time our Air force was in the artic, one of them got lost on the tarmac...Yes i said tarmac....a massive search was conducted and this guy was found...now to his credit it was very foggy....and he kept warm just walking in circles... Anyways Kudo's to the Airforce for stepping up, while the rest of the military is busy....I guess they will be stood down as the US got it's deal....whew that was close , the Air force almost had another mission....and it was not a 5 star hotel.... Back to Greenland looks like the US will be able to put on many more bases on Greenland, including the iron dome...Trump also got a deal on critical minerals, and many other things they were looking for....

And yet Carney touts Canada has the best deal of any western nation, everyone else has much higher tariffs....you do know Canada also has tariffs on the US and many other nations....i mean if we truly wanted free trade why not zero tariffs on both sides, do we really need this dairy cartel...maple syrup cartel, most of them are generated to benefit Quebec, and some of Ontario...Why not let the consumer chose what products it wants to purchase....I use to drive 45 mins to shop in the states for food items, i buy in bulk and it would save me more than just my gas money there and back...and food is not getting any cheaper here in Canada....and our dollar just sucks....so it is no longer worth the trip... What about all the things trump has done that are good ? you have not mentioned any of those..

I've been saying this for years, It had nothing to do with climate change....it had everything to do with making money, interest in climate change is waning because no one is make huge dollars...With the US out of the picture and drill baby drill now the theme song for climate change lobbyists where do you think every one is drifting off to...where ever the money is....Canada is just to stupid to get on board...Why does net zero boy, have so much stock in oil and gas....why does Brookfield so heavily invested in oil and gas....follow the money or better yet where the rich are investing into.... Hey i fell for climate change as well, and it has cost me big dollars, i live in a province that charges me to store my excess electricity i produce from my solar, which they sell to someone else....in a scheme designed to save me some dollars while they make money from me purchasing solar and then more money on the excess energy i produce....and then the final straw, if you don't use your built up credits by certain date you lose them....meaning they just take that and sell it to someone else for full price...

You can keep repeating it all you like, not all those farmers deal in Canola...I gave a source that states 40,000 farmers grow Canola....Your Numbers include everyone that grows anything, and everything....your playing with the states to make a point , and i'm calling you out on it STOP being dishonest.... Your 49,000 Chinese EV represent 3 % of the total car market....in an industry already being destroyed by US tariffs, and the movement to have production shifted back to the states....so YA what a great idea to crave 3 % more our of a dying industry....And lets just call it a stupid idea... EV industry is declining it once held more than 13 % of all car sales, now it barely holds 8 %, and none of our EV manufactures can compete with cheap Chinese EV....that part of the industry NEEDS more competition to bring those numbers down even further....SO how does this deal benefit Canada at all ? It would have been cheaper to find new markets for our Canola, and sea food...I mean we made it nicely without China these last years the liberals screw those relations up....we wasted those years by not finding new buyers for our products....instead we sold our soles and values to partner with one of our enemies...Good JOB...

PP did not make this deal, and just a short time ago China had even more tariffs on Canada, along with held hostage 2 Canadian citizens, executed Canadian citizens for dealing with drug....this deal is like we were to lazy to sell our canola to other nations...nations that are friendly Not the number one threat to our Nation....India, Vietnam, the list goes on and on...The last round of Chinese tariffs we had we also talked about diversifying our trade with China, and here we are getting ready to do even more...We don't need anything from China we should be looking to diversifying all of that.... IN case you forgot, just recently your man said China is Canada's number one threat .....let that sink in...not number 2 or number 100 , but rather number one....last time this happened we were screaming about China's human rights record, let alone they are happy to sell gangsters fentanyl precursors to poison our people.......were are those values now...ya i get it, we sold them for a few dollars, and some cheap Chinese sh!t....who is next on the list Russia is screaming for new trade partners....man we could make a few dollars there....and their cars much better than Chinese stuff... PP would not have made this deal, conservatives don't do deal with our number one threats to the nation....why make them stronger and us weaker...I get it you love money more than values, or national pride...

How so, According to Carney we have the best deal of all the western nations.....how is Trump shafting US, and what policies has trump made that are benefiting Canada..

EV sales are dropping....The fact you failed to mention most large car manufactures are stopping the production of EV or reducing numbers produced, add to the fact all those Battery plants that the Liberals invested in are now mostly gone along with those bils Canadian tax payers invested...The question is WHY if the market is so good ?...Feds already said they are not going to replace those rebates on EV's....But with Chinese EV they are so cheap you don't need rebates...Canadians will buy these up because they like cheap Chinese sh!t https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/2025/11/05/the-ev-slowdown-are-canadians-losing-interest/

In Case you forgot 80% of Canadian trade is done through the US....while 3.9 % is done with China....So it does matter who we pi$$ off...

Your numbers are full of shit, NOT all farmers or workers in that industry are effected by Chinas tariffs...it is only on certain products, canola seeds, nothing has moved on Canola oil...and 40,000 farmers grow Canola. And since Canadian love cheap sh!t it will mean 49,000 less car or trucks that were made in Canada or the US will be sold...which adds to less jobs...in an already hurting industry.. The way you dismiss that in order to protect your man Carney is disturbing...Considering China is the number one threat to our nation...According to your man Carney...what's next we start trading with Russia... https://www.canolacouncil.org/about-canola/industry/