Moonbox

So it was the number that allowed him to form a government. Whether it was 7 seats or 20 didn't really matter to him, I imagine. Pushing him over 50% was what did. I won't argue that, but Israel is still a democracy. Even the Likud is "moderate" compared to Hamas, and then there are the actual moderates, centrists and actual Arab parties/groups in the Israeli parliament. Dissenting opinions, protests and a system of checks and balances all exist in Israel, but not so for the Palestinians. The idea that there may have been a secret plot is ridiculous to me. Oct 7th and its fallout will likely be the end of Netanyahu and probably (hopefully) Ben Gvir politically, since the one thing they say they're all about is exactly what they failed miserably at, which is security. As bad as Netanyahu is, he's still governing for Israel and the Israeli people, and he answers to them. Hamas answers to Iran and its other sponsors, and doesn't give a shit about the people in Gaza or the West Bank. The massacre on Oct 7 was the work of animals, but that wasn't even the worst part. The worst part is that the whole point of Hamas' attack was to get Palestinian civilians killed in the ensuing Israeli response. Don't draw false equivalences when you have that big fat reality staring right at you.

With 7 seats in a 120-seat, democratically elected legislature. I imagine Ben Gvir did, as a condition of his support. Nobody forced Netanyahu to be a turd and self-absorbed enough to accept it, but I didn't take you as a conspiracy theorist, but that's what this sounds like. I have nothing but bad things to say about Netanyahu and agree he's counter-productive to the peace process, but I don't think he staged or facilitated an attack on his own people.

7 Seats in Parliament and a Cabinet appointment doesn't put you at the steering wheel. This is a Faustian bargain that Netanyahu made and it smells really bad all over, but that speaks to how fragile that government is, and how much opposition there is to it.

You could, and it happened all of the time. The reason we're in our necks in Court is because the British didn't do what was standard at the time, which was some combination of extermination, subjugation, expulsion or enslavement. In other places where this did happen, the people living there now don't concern themselves too much with the folk who lived there decades or centuries ago, nor their descendants. The obsession for generations-old grievances to be "set right" is what prevents anyone from moving forward. Sometimes setting things "right" from one perspective can only be accomplished by doing wrong by someone else, and causing a new cycle of grievances. Nobody's going to reverse the creation of Israel. There are seven million Jews living there now. Similarly, there's something like 5 million Palestinians. Neither group is going away, so until both groups embrace that reality, this keeps happening. Evidently not, because Israel's armed forces could quickly make that a reality, but they haven't. There are fringe nuts everywhere, and that's hard to avoid, but when you hand them the keys to your kingdom, that's on you.

Looks and smells like a paid troll to me. A lot of the time you can tell just by the formatting of the OP's text: A different font (for no reason) that's highlighted in grey means this was copy-pasted from somewhere else, and my guess is Google Translate 😆.

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I understand that you're yap yap yapping in so many threads at once that you can't remember all of the dumb things you say: With the countless hours and days you spend here vainly trying to convince people that you've won, you've kicked their butt, you've made them look stupid etc, you look pretty foolish. After all, in your own words:

Should have known better? 🤨 The powers-that-be didn't share today's morality or sensibilities, and relatively speaking they were "benevolent". British and French colonialism came after Ottoman rule, and ask the Armenians and others how great that was. How much credibility would you say the UN has, given that China and Russia hold vetoes and it's comprised of more dictatorships than I can count? Perhaps, but Israel hasn't put those people in charge and allowed them to act on their behalf, whereas the Palestinians have. The response was always going to be disproportionate. That's the whole point of a deterrent. Whether they're being sloppy and/or unnecessarily cruel/indiscriminate in their response is open for questions and you and I don't know, but they shouldn't be expected to send thousands of their soldiers into streets and tunnels to die fighting because the Palestinians let Hamas hide amongst them.

This gem keeps delivering the laughs. 🤣

Is that what I was implying, or is that what you'd reduce my argument to? Of course I don't, but you know who does? Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran etc.. and obviously a large portion of the Palestinian people. That they're combatants isn't subjective. That's the reality. What nobody would/should do is describe them as soldiers, because they're not protecting anyone. As for what's convenient, I'd say the idea that Israel can't fire on people who fire into their cities just because they're hiding behind their own people is pretty convenient...for Hamas.

Here's Fox again, arguing against points that he made up in his little head, and debating with himself. 🤣

I didn't say you did. I said if you wouldn't, and if you spun your wheels justifying their actions, then maybe people might accuse you of it though? 🤔 I can acknowledge it, whilst also not being so naive to think any of the above came out of a vacuum. Who says I can't? It seems more like you're the one having problems with that, considering how many times Israel's been invaded and how often they're attacked, and by neighbors near and far who vow their utter destruction. It's not a war crime to hit military targets hiding behind human shields. It is one to use human shields, and the whole point of this conflict for Hamas was to get as many civilians killed as possible.

Perhaps if you refused to acknowledge that Hamas was a terrorist organization that started a war it knew it couldn't win, and that Palestinian deaths and collateral damage was their goal, rather than a just an unfortunate consequence. Otherwise...no? Of course you have to sympathize with a child getting caught up in conflict, but when your children and loved ones are in danger from a terrorist organization bent on your people's destruction, they obviously don't give you neat and sterile options for dealing with them.

Well it doesn't always go up. Sometimes it also goes down, and then it goes back up, and then it goes down. 🥱 I'm aware than the US Dollar index was 0.957 two years ago, and that it's 102.4 today, so whatever indeed. 🤣 Once again you have no idea what you're talking about and don't understand what any of the information you're pulling off your twitter feed.

So when I say he's probably the worst PM we've ever had, it's because I actually secretly support him. I'm just deep-faking you or...something. That's so much sense!! 🤡

Not only was one of the first things I said in this thread that Justin's done a brutal job as PM, I've also said many times he's probably the worst PM we've ever had. As usual, you're arguing with yourself. No wonder you think you've won so many debates. Your opponents are your own thoughts, in your own head. Again, only in your little imagination. 🙃

but more likely you'll get some emotional venting, and some canned insults. 😄

The weirdest part about this line of reasoning is that I can't stand Trudeau and haven't ever said a good thing about him. Try something else. I'm over it. What about you? Does it upset you when someone points out that you're a no-life that spends all day, every day, arguing on the internet?

40 posts a day, every is indeed more than 3 lines. It's more than anyone has ever posted on this forum, ever. Saying that you have absolutely no life isn't complaining. It's stating an objective (albeit sad) fact. 😄 As for who makes who look like an 1diot, we can always go back to this gem of yours: Nobody spends more time insisting that he's won here than you. 🤡

More than 3 lines? How do you tell people you have absolutely no life, no woman, no hobbies and no friends, without telling them that? 40 battle-posts on an internet forum, every day without fail. 🤣

Only in your sad little imagination. Keep on arguing with yourself though if that's what helps you get through your obviously lonely day. 😆

Concepts? Oh please, that's too funny. The simplification is for your own benefit. Everything fits into your comfy little reality when all questions can be answered with something something globalist woke elite WEF mind control vampires etc. 🤡

Funny you should say that, given how you're ceaselessly re-arranging the same witless slogans. MSM woke apologist Liberal elites something something...blah blah blah WEF. The funniest thing about it is that you think you're actually saying something substantive. 🤡

and there's my point! 1500 years or whatever after they were written, the Protestants decided that the Deuterocanonical Books didn't "appear" to be divinely inspired...anymore.

Languages and ideas almost never, ever carry over with their full meaning and cultural context. For this reason alone, you'll never get a precise and literal translation from one language to the next. Beyond that, you have numerous books missing from all of the Protestant Bibles, but still included in the Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic Churches etc. Evidently, there was a revision in the Protestant faiths that decided that these books were not actually Divinely inspired, as had been believed for 1000+ years, but these other ones were.