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He did not promise anything nor has he denied anything.

He did not set any bar.

Fear mongering bull shit. Proper hygiene and testing prevent some deaths, house arrest will not, it may delay certain kinds of transmissions but eventually they come. Delaying death and preventing death are not the same thing. Prevention of death depends on medical treatments. Italy had a high concentration of elderly, many smokers, in condensed areas. Lack of early testing and pandemic protocols were the problems. House arrest was not the issue and us not the cure. It's a symptomatic stop gap reaction until thd other wo can be properly implemented. Trump remains correct. The economy can not be locked down as long as some politicians want, i.e..,6 months. Scapegoating him because he does not spoon feed is ridiculous. He is not the issue implementing early testing is.

Prior to the virus it was called hypochondria and a symptom of obsessive compulsive disorder. It literally drove Howard Hughes crazy. Now it's called expected responsible social behaviour, proving how political mental illness diagnoses can be depending on the prevailing moral views.

Deaf men speak loudly. Then again speaking loudly to a deaf man is pointless. Did you say something?

Random? Random is the illusion produced from not understanding a pattern. Ask any expert on blood splash. I love fractal theory.

House arrest is not adjustive, if anything its is stop gap maladjustive. As for your other positive and romantic references I am too old for requiring spoon feeding of reality but I do appreciate your attempt to emulate the chin up tally ho attitude of the Brits during WW2. That said history shows us in crisis event snew patterns of behaviour can then arise. ...but human nature being what it is we soon revert back to certain negative behaviours. As a species we have our limits to evolving in an adjustive manner. We are equally propelled to maladjust. Such is the plight of our life form..gifted or cursed with equal components of negative and positive propensities some learned some genetically inherent.

Thanks for taking that time to explain.

Yah I said that. Its not hard to decipher from your words and it causes you to obsess about homosexuality. You think using this forum to try wash your hands will stop you from craving beef jerky? Really? You ain't kosher dude, stop trying.

Trump has made some very crude and stupid remarks but he is also a script reader. He has little if any say in how the virus is being managed. I also do not see what he is doing in regards to the virus in any way shape or form a partisan decision. Its based on a network of information deciding on how best to avoid overloads in hospitals running by the seat of its pants making policy up as it goes along as more ever changing info comes in on the virus. There is no real conspiracy-the nature of information flow is disjointed, fragmented, often redundant and/or contradictory, chaotic, and its no one's fault-its the nature of the subject-getting a handle on the understanding of a virus is like trying to hold jello in your hand.

Mit Romney was defeated because the Evangelical Christian network that would have put him over the top and defeated Obama abandon him since he was a Mormon. In hind sight I am not sure if there would have been that big a difference between Romney and Obama, I do not know but it was a fascinating example of how religion does impact. Obama as well had good planning knowing Romney would be deserted and he himself had planners use the inter-net in an unprecedented manner to mobilize black America to come out in record highs and vote. Trump is an interesting phenomena. One could argue from a purely religious perspective he is a classic hedonist, i.e., Satanist although I do note interestingly since the outbreak of the virus he no longer uses the ok signal when he talks-rumoured to be his illuminati 666 hand signal. Anyone else notice. It just vanished. He went from using it constantly every 3 seconds to zero use of it. Biden's Catholicism I do not think will be a factor anymore than Trump's hedonism. In all itents and purposes US politics is Godless and The House of Reps and Senate are Sodom and Gomorah ruled over by Donald. Biden is just a disgruntled displaced demon who wants the throne Obama once had and Donny now has. That throne is illusionary. Who the real Satan is and where her or his throne is, is anyone's guess. I know but I am sworn to secrecy. All I can tell you is the throne is porcelain.

I think what this is all coming down to is how long can we expect people to stay home as a response to the Corona Virus whether it be in Canada, the US or anywhere else. What we also know from clear and present working examples from Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea, is simply telling people to stay home is NOT the solution. I really do think the longer our government or any government tells us we must stay home and provides imdefinite time limits such as "weeks", "months", that kind of approach will create a lack of confidence in the economy and in the long term do more damage than we seek to prevent short term and an article that summarizes this is: https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/28/quarantine-coronavirus-make-that-unnecessary/ It does not as some have tried to postulate on this issue present the issue as black and white, i.e., you either stay at home, or if you return to work you kill people. Here is another example that explains why isolation/quarantine has its limitations: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/quarantines-wont-save-us-from-coronavirus/ Here is some historic perspective on quarantines: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/01/26/799324436/a-history-of-quarantines-from-bubonic-plague-to-typhoid-mary Here is an explanation why travel bans don't work: https://www.wired.com/story/travel-bans-and-quarantines-wont-stop-coronavirus/ Here is another article explaining limitations with quarantines and referring to the WHO for those of who you have faith in them: https://www.salon.com/2020/03/12/why-a-coronavirus-quarantine-in-the-us-is-a-bad-idea_partner/ Here is Gov. Cuomo of New York being honest talking about how do we modify the strategy to get people to go back to work: https://nypost.com/2020/03/26/cuomo-admits-that-quarantine-may-have-backfired-in-some-cases/ The last cite is I would suggest where politicians, planners, are now headed asking that question. It is a difficult one. How will governments plan getting people back to work balancing it with protecting the vulnerable and not triggering floods to hospitals. I think that dialogue needs to be cultivated now and we all need to wrap our heads around the realization staying at home is short term and the longer we stay home the more problems will force us not to that are more dangerous to us all than any exposure to the virus. I most certainly reject the simplistic stereotyping of some that say if we have concerns about the long term impact of shutting down the economy we care more about money than people. I also get that when people feel threatened the phenomena called "cacooning" makes people feel safe. The problem is recreating your embryo or bubble to block out the world is regressive and mentally unhealthy. It AVOIDS looking the boogy man in the face and getting over the fear by focusing on things that need to be done not avoided fro being done. I myself think our politicians simply read scripts they are given and because of the vast density of inter-connected networks of information and policy making, no politician has the control we think they do. Some of us think if we give government draconian powers to arrest and strip us of our civil rights, this will give them the control. I caution dialogue calling for totalitarianism and fascism and the kind of measures that will NOT be removed once this virus moves on and I caution against dialogue that makes it seem we can function without working or that isolation by itself is a panacea and if you stay home long enough poof the virus goes away. So in regards to specific politicians like Trump, Johnson, Trudeau, to me they are mouth pieces. I am focused on reading what immunologists are finding day by day as to what may and may not work and why things in South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore are showing where we all must head in the days to come in terms of using a variable and wide ranging approach that properly identifies the contagious and contains them while allowing the rest of society to get back to what we need to do to function.

Let me put it as sussinctly as I can..you are engaging in behaviour you feel you can not control and so want to get caught. So go turn yourself in. Save me the bullshit. I'm retired from that line of work.

Now hang on we do have countries like India where they drive without all that stuff you know. Even in countries where they have that stuff not everyone follows it. You driven in Rome....Tel Aviv.. Mumbai...Bathurst and Finch in Toronto....Miami.. Paris? Control. The concept is deeply interconnected with anxiety that is for sure but is over- rated. Sometimes common courtesy is far more effective..ah but then people would need to freely decide to be polite...imagine preaching such values as individual choices not government imposed mandatory edicts...is that even possible? Could Jesus exist today without armed disciples zapping people if they were not showing love? Control. Remember Get Smart? Maxwell Smart never really could stop Chaos...on the other hand this current attempt at house arrest reminds me of a 50's sit com. No one leaves home ..no one works and it's all black and white. I much preferred Gomar Pyle.

You see them in Northern oceans. One sank the Titanic.

You call it expounding and I call it you engaging in the projection of your own personal, subjective conflicted struggle with homosexuality. I also contend you do not engage in intellectual discourse but instead engage in subjective comments trying to intellectualize yiur own misguided characterization of trying to repress your homosexual desires by posing you can unlearn being gay. How is that working for you? I argue you have engaged in the supposition you can define other people's behaviour so I can do the same with you. Because you do, I do and do I suppose you are gay and can not deal with it using the exact same reasoning process you do about gays. Anything else? You really want to intellectualize your views on homosexuality by saying gays can unlearn being gay? Hey now presto, I am no longer a Jew, I unlearned it? Finish your argument. What curriculum will you use? Will you take a porno film of a blow job or anal sex and play it in reverse with a voice over saying...bad bad bad? How about you start with politicians first. They screw anyone who turns their back on them and they ask us to swallow stuff... Get back to me with you curriculum. Here is also a reminder. We already tried what you sugges with native Canadians. You need to read up on what happened. You also need to stop with the anxiety over Tom Cruise.

Lol thanks. That is what we need some burning crosses on Parliament hill. But they will be wearing masks.

There are degrees of social distancing. Please go find out why.

Why is this an issue particular to the US?

I kind of sympathize. If I had a nice cottage why not go tyere to die. I threw the last two words in. I am a tad melodramatic. Too much sugar in my coffee. Some of this I think though makes sense. Why not if you have the cottage. You got some beautiful places there Mo. When I grew up in Montreal it was easy to have and drive to your cottage. I miss it in Trunteh. It's so expensive in Toronto to also have a cottage.

Same phenomena occurred in Italy and everyone headed South. It's naive to think when you want to put everyone under house arrest this shit does not happen. Hang in there. Remember I am a Montreal Canadiens fanatic and we are depending heavily on some young Finns we drafted.

Strongly agree Iron.

Ok with that too. I agree. I guess what I would like to see are clearer time lines..but that may be unfair to expect. Hey my daughter just put it in perspective and said for me to remember Ann Frank when I get too cranky being locked up. I do think it will sort itself out...

Eye that was sarcasm if you ask me but ask him. . Seriously if you do have alien or any other issues that are serious hey man be well. I would not joke about people with serious issues...seriously ...hope yer ok.

No. My sentences expressed complete thoughts. They were also meant to be sarcastic or as gay people say cheeky.