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You are not a conservative or a Republican. You also are just one individual although you like to pluralize references to yourself. You have defended Hitler on this board so wear it. Who you, yah you.

Me too I got sick like a lot of others at that time and I never get the flu. It lasted a day. I think you are right but I have no proof. Hey Di I am willing to do my part I just do not think long term we can keep everyone home. I hate that I can not have kids visiting my dogs anymore and calling me baldy.

Not me. I only care what the next President Kanye West has to say.

You have subjective biases and opinions and so do I and everyone else on this matter. I do not agree with your use of inference from incomplete data, it's not logical or objective and yes I consider the UN and WHO compromised entities not worthy of the faith you give them. I prefer data directly from immunologists derived using proper methodology not compromised by politics. The WHO has a history of incompetence that we can debate in another thread. You are not an immunologist so your financial background means sweet fuck all to me with due respect if I get sick. I will not go to you to treat a virus.

Eyeball you seem to be coming around. I will let Donald know.

In any human is genetic inheritance and therefore inherent traits. Your subjective opining depicting human behaviour as simply learned and not as a result of or correlated to these inherent traits is illogical. Clearly we can learn certain behaviour but other behaviour is inherently predestined. Your simplistic notion you learn to be gay is in fact no different than you arguing one can unlearn his gayness. That for me sounds like you trying to argue YOU believe you can learn not to be gay. Look in the mirror and stop projecting your own identity denial on gays.

No of course not even your own answer shows that is not the case.

True but do not underestimate it. Today aids is controlled by a range of drugs since there is no vaccine.

You won't get a straight answer from their government. However we don't really need that answer. We already known from swine flu, avian flu it probably came from contaminated meat. Now whether it was bat, snake, some other animal....tracking the jump from mammal to human might be difficult but understanding virus jump from unsanitary food practices is not new.

No you do not know that and no Spain and Italy have not proven that. You a lot of inferences and assumptions about cause and effect without proper data to extrapolate patterns based on those assumptions. Interesting how you refer to Spain and Italy but not South Korea, Singpore and Taiwan. You see what you want to see. You have a preconceived belief and then engage in classic selective bias. Thanks but all Italy and Spain have shown is that because they have higher rates of older smokers in condensed population zones, any virus or flu outbreak is a big challenge for them. That was the case before and will be the case long after this particular virus passes.

Bill Gates is not fat. My time line? Time has no lines for me. I am already dead and alive both yet neither. I follow the teachings of Star Trek, Bhuddism, Taoism, fractal theory, Billie Eilish, Stan Lee, Dougie, and the Marx brothers.

Young and old people were dying prior to this particular virus for other reasons and at higher rates for other conditions and viruses and we did not try house arrest everyone. Your discourse encourages sweeping false assumptions about death and mortality rates and their connection to both viruses and capitalism.

You sound lonely. I thought you guys would still be meeting in someone's garage. Well you already had masks.

Thanks I know. Its funny. Actually gay people started the joke pointing out how people reacted to aids when it first came out. I laughed my ass off when I first read it. It helps pointing out how absurd this is becoming with some of the over-reaction.

Me and Trump...lol..thanks... You forgot some other people too.

Why use chemtrails. Any day now you will voluntarily roll your sleeve up.

Get back to me when you have no money and are thrown out of where you live. How will you practice social distancing lining up for food. I am assuming you won't go to a shelter due to the crowding. You arm chair communists are something else.Quite the elite bubble you live in.

It is just another virus. They come, they mutate and move on. Finish your arguments. Explain what makes this virus the first to have jumped from another species to humans causing the medical issues it has. Good luck on that. Good luck as well but please explain how today's economy can not function if people have viruses. Next what I have argued is that shutting down the economy will kill more people than this current virus. If you can not understand that and think that is misguided let me say this..how the hell do you think we live? Do you think you can live in isolation sitting on hour ass? Really? Talk about misguided.

I do get the fake reference but the gay one? Lol, never mind. Gay people are behind this? Lol. Ok. I knew they were blamed for aids. I thought we were blaming Chinese bat and snake eaters. I thought XUL started it. I can not keep up. You are innocent XUL. Psst XUL are you gay? Sheesh I like Jet Li. Seriously my people started it with unsanitary bagels.

I am actually working on line. I listen to Z. I can do my part I just question it long term...and hey I am sure you will practice hygiene protocol. You do not fool me you are a caring person...lol...stop crying....

If they actually were and are I would be o.k. with their releases. What I am saying is I prefer to go directly to immunologists in various countries such as the US, Britain, Canada, and skip them if I can. Me personally I know sweet fuck all...I am no immunologist, lol. I am just debating risk management approaches or cautioning about misusing stats. As for the WHO No I do not trust the WHO due to what doctors have told me about them. It's another thread to say why. I do not consider the WHO deepstate just part of a compromised larger network.. I am really not sure what a deep state is unless we refer to meditation or sleep. I would argue the WHO is politically compromised the same way for example I would the entire UN or say Olympics Committee. Too much politics and corruption. So I prefer reading immunologists in medical research journals...but to your last point there is politics in medical research as well. So I get your point. I am not as close minded as I sound..just very very careful what I read.

Ok now I really get you Z and nod. Now I agree. I just argue what you just did to Moonbox and you.

My debate is with respect MOON because I do get your points if they had clear time lines...because...well ..yes ...if Iread your first two comments that is an indefinite time period and or at least a year. We have extensive medical challenges from all kinds of more lethal diseases every second of life and have functioned. Sk we can not overplay the virus's consequences to life engaging in a false assumption that life can not co-exist with this virus unless we are under house arrest. That is illogical and South Korea, Taiwan have shown that and it has been illustrated by common fact as we do not house arrest people for having the flu which has all the same risks. Your assumption global economies can not function if this virus exists is questionable. It has in the past in the world in spite of far more deadly viruses. Remember this is a mutated corona virus whichbis novel in one sense but has also been with us since we started our species in one form or another. Finally your assumption we need house arrest to prevent a run on respirators is a short term argument only. If that is issue we need provide everyone a respirator not house arrest them. Can you please look at the rates of other more deadly infectious diseases and ask, why did we not shut dow until this one came? What is so unique about this one...to justify our current response? Can you or I really say? Are we buying in to a message that maybe we need to question? We are asked to believe this virus is so lethal weneed to be under house arrest. Ok short term maybe..long term is respectfully where you lose me. Thanks though for your well stated response and to Z to. Appreciated.

All well stated if it had definitive time lines released.

Your assumption of a massive surge of cases swamping hospitals as a pretext to keep eople under house arrest and shut down the economy indefinitely has been proven false by South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore. I also think the assumption of mass assault on hospitals exceeding their capacity is fear mongering. Our hospitals have never been able to have proper capacity to deal with viruses let alone any illness. All hospitals struggle with some sort of back log. It's a necessary and unavoidable reality of any health service operation. House arrest does not and can not stop that reality or change it.