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I actually have very little passion for this thread. I think it is the continued example of projected struggles the thread creator expresses over being gay. I might have compassion if I felt there was any insight as to that by the thread creator. I do not judge him or have passion, that is just what I read..a struggle to try extinguish being gay by calling it a lesson one can unlearn...that is code for repressing one's feelings when I read it.

I could not understand your last point and I have compassion for anyone who can dance better than me and gays dance well I mean come on have you seen what they do on Broadway?

Can you tell me how house arrest is a socialist concept? I must confess it passed by me. Kumbaya indeed.

This just in I think I made my point.

This just in I went outside again and I am still alive.

This just in. I was outside but I am still alive.

Fear mongering are the assumptions you and Boges and many others are making about death rates. I have not mentioned one pseudo medical cience concept. Provide it. In fact you are assuming patterns of potential death based on incorrect assumptions you project from not understanding what you think you are extrapolating. That is not a medical issue at all and that is what I challenge. You also can not grasp the difference between flattening and eradicating and mixing the two. You also misrepresent my positions. I have argued since my first response, delaying transmission is not a solution, it simply buys time until one is made. You also need to instead of misrepresenting my positions go find out what they are doing in South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore

Really? That was a calm rational logical response.

I agree with most of what you said but you are distorting what Often is saying. Discussing government short comings is not fear mongering. Presenting death from the virus as a pretense to prevent questioning of the government is.

He did not cast judgement on anyone.

Man did anyone study economics in school? Anyone other than Stephen Harper?

Bail out? Here you go again with the notion that employees of companies are not the company itself and are some separate entity.

The constant attempt to reframe this debate as you are either for or against shutting down the economy is bullshit.

Partisan issues did get thrown in and you can spin it any way you want but the Democrats who I side with have not been angels.

The government has us in a head space where we are led to believe anything they say is justified because they are saving lives. They may be doing the exact opposite intentionally or unintentionally and this is why people like you will be exposed. Its not acceptable but its inevitable as we humans when making decisions about managing life and death allow our fear of death to distort or rational thinking processes.

Your simplistic view on money in bank accounts of how economic activity relates to the very health of people you claim to be concerned about is not amusing, From the LA Times I extract his, for the full article go to: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-03-24/op-ed-how-to-balance-saving-lives-with-saving-the-economy-in-the-time-of-coronavirus...its basically what Y is arguing and I have and it does not make us anti or pro Trump-its about talking about understanding the crucial importance of economic transactions in the overall fabric of maintaining life as we know it. Countries have arrested the virus with a mix of relatively brief but severe restrictions on travel and output (China), and extensive testing and quarantines for those who are ill, with fewer economic restrictions (South Korea.) Some of each of these will apply here, in varying degrees according to the geographic area and the industry. We should assess these tools — and the expected costs and benefits — less like politicians or Republicans or Democrats, and more like economists

Can you please read the damn article... "Therefore, yes, we record the money as sitting in the corporation. But it's not actually, it's out there funding the rest of the economy, as it has to be. People, not even tech companies, do not just sit on cash. It's out there working for a living. Further, yes, I know, it "isn't in America," except very large amounts of it are. It might all sit in a corporate account marked "Bermuda" or "Cayman Islands" but that corporate account is investing the money into US bonds and bills and notes, inside the US economy. It's the ownership of the money which is outside the US, not the actual money nor investments themselves. There may be reasons why a corporate cash pile is a sign of something wrong in corporate America. But that the money is doing nothing, is not circulating, isn't one of them."

So you want to criticize Trump as a bully totalitarian then also say he isn't one? Which one is it. I am the first to say to challenge him when I disagree with him and support him when I do. ou want it both ways and only point out what he does wrong? I call bullshit. The article you povided is partisan and repudiated even by anti Trump people.

Bullshit. Don't just make stuff up.

No you are in fact not at the begnning you assume that but you do not have all the unreported cases to be able to say tthat. Next ff course the curve goes straight up how else would it go...with due respect can you please find out how viruses replicate and are transmitted and understand they all do this and that movement by itself whether you "flatten" it or allow it to more quickly rise, still goes up to the same level and in the same direction. Speed of that rise is not necessarily what makes it lethal either that is a subjective speculation based on an assumption it kills at rates based on only reported cases. It also comes down the same way, when people grow immune to the disease and if you delay them growing immune to the disease it can ot come down try grasp that reality. What people are talking about is you do not understand that the fact something goes straight up does not mean everyone dies or will die but f you do not allow it to go up to where it belongs it can't go down to where we want it to. In any virus there is a peak. You seem to think this is something unique and are alarmed at the concept of viruses peaking. You are taking a pattern and snap shotting it going up not understanding your data to start with is not even accurate as it does not include the thousands of unreported cases that already added to it and saw recovery. For all you know the straight up is far straighter up than you see and is now coming down but because the cases were never reported you can't see it on your graph. That is why people like me say its fear-mongering. You panic over it gong straight up and prefer it rising slowly to make you feel more safe.

Excuse me I am a Rothchild and Trump is no worry to us. Harmless. We are more concerned about Eye. We have people watching him and you. Your assumptions bother us.

First off Moonie you can not tell because I sound more snotty face on the forum than in person I really like your well written posts so do not take my tone too seriously. I take zero offence to you. You make necessary debate to the other side of discussions I like to debate. So no worries. You know I respect your opinions or I would not respond. Now that said am I a deep state conspiracist no but you bet I have zero confidence in the WHO and UN and we can debate that one day not now. It has nothing to do with conspiracies. For me I just see ineptitude and corruption no grand illumnati scheme, just corrupted individuals and when I say corrupted or compromised I mean the UN and WHO have an agenda to engage in dissemination of information that is vented to avoid alarm and offending various nations who have political agendas when it comes to handling disease or virus outbreaks. Having worked in the federal and provincial governments as a lawyer and in risk management sure I have biases of course and not necessarily good ones but there are things I learned from working with government on social programs and with people in need and in different countries that makes me very skeptical about the UN. Moonie I do not see any deep state conspiracy. I do see governments that dropped the ball and were poorly prepared and I believe it is doctors, nurses, paramedics, cops, social wokers, front line workers that always bare the brunt of such mistakes when it comes to medical issues so my bias is in favour of them and helping them manage. So while I very much appreciate trying to slow down the spread, its not going to stop it and you know why quarantines or house arrest can not and at best buy us time. I do concentrate on the South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan models because they were models we were supposed to implement but when SARS petered out short sighted governments suddenly stopped pursuing. Their preparation is not so much about war time mentality as it is early report writing and proper equipment. Now yes this particular virus is a challenge because of its relatively invisible symptoms meaning it challenges our systems to come up with better early reporting but we do it already with prostate cancer, breast cancer, many other far more serious illnesses/diseases and we can do it with this virus. I am positive that new early prevention protocols will enable us to detect illnesses without needing to be sick and to have better preparation of essential equipment such as respirators. We also have available to us the best scientists in the world cooperating so yes I am skeptical of governments but not doctors and scientists. I do know doctors and scientists at universities were I teach can have political agendas based on getting money for research I get that too, but I also know on something like this its a matter of time until they come up with improved protocols. I just think the current message of carry on it will be months, is stupid. The more you say that the more people will become impatient and react negatively. This is a damned if you do damned if you do not situation and I get I am an arm chair commentator full of hot air. No worries. By the way I never advocated return to work as normal. You tend to state the options as black and one and in the extreme. Take a look at the South Korean model in detail.

Rise of Kumbaya. Man I thought Dougie and his Eskimo commies was the best reference..now this....Eye there is no socialist revolution..you are cheering totalitarianism...no one is sharing anything with you..they have you under house arrest...get a grip man.....

Your response is incoherent.

I dislike Trump but his handling of the virus is in my opinion is respectful of doctors and dead on about the fear mongering.