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You guys should stick to reading Seuss and not post here unless you have something to say about the topic.

There are plenty of truthers that have flown both. Stignasty: Is it true that even if I post links to Phd structural engineers that they must be brainwashed or it must be propoganda then ? It doesn't matter how much evidence is presented or how many experts say 911 was an inside job. You know that to be impossible because the Bush administration would never kill thousands of people to start wars and make money - correct ?

So the NIST report is an assertion and its propoganda. It doesn't even say what people think it says - neither does the FEMA report. They are both fine examples of propoganda. My links showing structural engineers is not because they state why they think 911 was an inside job. Who do you think may be behind the propoganda in this 911 being an inside job movement ? Do you think those Phd structural engineers that think 911 was an inside job were brainwashed by Usama bin Laden ?

Thats true - all you have to do is learn about how the banks create money and where your income tax goes to know that. The Money Masters History of US and world banking & how the Federal Reserve took over the USA in 1913. Its filled with historical quotes and facts not part of mainstream history. Very well done documentary. The Capitalist Conspiracy -Carrol Quigley the famous Georgetown professor who was mentioned by Bill (the war criminal) Clinton in his inaugeration address as one of his lifetime mentors is interviewed in this movie Money As Debt (cartoon & only 1 hour) There are many more videos and books on this. The best book is by Stephen Zarlenga on the history of banking & money. It looks and reads like a text book. -Great Post by the way. I'll watch the video later but I already know that the banks own us and our birth certificates and the government uses them as collateral. We don't really have habeus Corpus either because lawyers can use tricks to take it away. This is all from a Canadian Lawyer. FTA there is no way you can tell us the dark secrets of the legal profession on here. You are a crown representative.

Stignasty, did you know that its even been on mainstream that the Penthouse Pentagon spends billions per year in shaping public opinion ?

I see. So even when I do link to Phd structural engineers that think the buildings were demolished it has to be propoganda. Do you think Osama is doing the brainwashing on these poor souls ?

I take it that you don't read the thread before commenting.

It says they don't want to put themselves, careers or jobs at risk and they cannot afford to be put on no fly lists. The law professor explains what is going on with the no fly lists during the last hour of the Alex Jones show - cycles every three hours starting at 12 noon EST at infowars.com. This explains why more people are not comming out for 911truth or protesting the wars or speaking out about 911. But he is just a law professor, you can probably discredit him with your credentials. By the way, what kind of engineer are you ? How much actual flight experience do you have to say that naval aviator was wrong ?

Its funny reading these posts and how you guys will stretch logic to protect the Bush administration.

It just seems like a heck of a coincidence that the plane hit the Pentagon exactly where all those investigators of the missing trillions were working. I guess its just another coincidence.

I've played on flight sims and done suicide missions. Its against my grain too.

Nest you guys are going to tell me that the constitutiuonal law professor on Alex Jones today is dullusional as well.

These guys listed have flown F22's, instructed on F22's, flown F-15's in combat. You are not their equal. Don't pretend to be.

That must be it !!! ROTFLMAO !

Not many people are qualified to say what an airliner can and cannot do. There seems to be a lot of pilots here that think the maneuvers were impossible (keep in mind these guys are just military pilots, naval aviators and instructors - none with the expertise of Riverwind - we are so lucky to have you post here ) Pilots for 911 Truth

I posted the comments by structural Phd's below the link that I posted. So you think all these experts are dellusional and that they should listen to you and you can straighten them out ? So you think these guys are just dullsional ScottsA ? : Jack Keller, PhD, PE – Professor Emeritus, Civil and Environmental Engineering, Utah State University. Member, National Academy of Engineering. International advisor on water resources, development and agricultural water use. Serves as an advisor to the CALFED Water Use Efficiency Program and former member CALFED Independent Science Board. Awarded State of Utah Governor's Medal for Science and Technology (1988). Selected by Scientific American magazine as one of the world's 50 leading contributors to science and technology benefiting society (2004). Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Research proves the current administration has been dishonest about what happened in New York and Washington, D.C. The World Trade Center was almost certainly brought down by controlled demolitions and that the available relevant evidence casts grave doubt on the government's official story about the attack on the Pentagon." Jörg Schneider, Dr hc – Professor Emeritus, Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Former Vice President and honorary lifetime member of the International Association for Bridge and Structural Engineering. Tages Anzeiger Article 9/9/06: " In my opinion the building WTC 7 [610 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit by an airplane] was, with great probability, professionally demolished," says Hugo Bachmann, Emeritus ETH-Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction. And also Jörg Schneider, likewise emeritus ETH-Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction, interprets the few available video recordings as evidence that "the building WTC 7 was with great probability demolished." English translation: http://www.danieleganser.ch Original in German: http://www.danieleganser.ch Maybe you are the one that is dullusional

Its what all the intelligence experts, pilots, structural engineers, ex senators, ex congressmen, ex military generals, colonels, majors and pilots all think that I listed above on my post showing comments by structural Phds on 911. Obviously you know better. Where is this link with all the NIST experts ?

Thats just what this military commander / Navy aviator said on the show I linked. You can listen to it yourself but I'm sure you being an expert scientist, expert financial analysist and now expert pilot can discredit him.

So where is that list of NIST experts ?

Engineers, scientists, military pilots, structural Phds question 911 Jack Keller, PhD, PE – Professor Emeritus, Civil and Environmental Engineering, Utah State University. Member, National Academy of Engineering. International advisor on water resources, development and agricultural water use. Serves as an advisor to the CALFED Water Use Efficiency Program and former member CALFED Independent Science Board. Awarded State of Utah Governor's Medal for Science and Technology (1988). Selected by Scientific American magazine as one of the world's 50 leading contributors to science and technology benefiting society (2004). Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Research proves the current administration has been dishonest about what happened in New York and Washington, D.C. The World Trade Center was almost certainly brought down by controlled demolitions and that the available relevant evidence casts grave doubt on the government's official story about the attack on the Pentagon." Jörg Schneider, Dr hc – Professor Emeritus, Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Former Vice President and honorary lifetime member of the International Association for Bridge and Structural Engineering. Tages Anzeiger Article 9/9/06: " In my opinion the building WTC 7 [610 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit by an airplane] was, with great probability, professionally demolished," says Hugo Bachmann, Emeritus ETH-Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction. And also Jörg Schneider, likewise emeritus ETH-Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction, interprets the few available video recordings as evidence that "the building WTC 7 was with great probability demolished." English translation: http://www.danieleganser.ch Original in German: http://www.danieleganser.ch So thats three structural professors that I have never linked to.

When was the report "finalized" ? Lots of credible acedemics from physicists to engineers discredit the official version of 911 8-) - including structural engineers. Stephen Jones is a very "credible" acedemic and the fact that he directed government programs in advanced energy studies and was willing to lose his job over this makes him more credible. It doesn't take an expert to see how ridiculous it all is. This military pilot though the official story with the box cutter wielding terrorists taking over the cockpits was nearly impossible - particularly when you consider it happened 4 times on that one day 8-). The flight maneuvers to take the plane into the Pentagon could not be completed successfully by most pilots in simulators after 10 attempts. One of the instructors got it on the ninth attempt. One thing us conspiracy theorists haven't done is show what the pilots think of the official version and how laughable it gets. It just gets more and more ridiculous the more you look and more and more experts are comming out every day. It gets more and more clear why the real qualified investigators were not allowed anywhere near the 911 investigation and a propogandist was chosen to direct the investigation rather than an experienced forensics expert.

I guess the New York Times is one of those.

The first NIST report did not support pancake theory and that was after the NOVA show I believe. The NIST conclusions about how the collapse occured are constantly changing, they did support pancaking for a while. The experts that you quote also have all different opinions. The FEMA report did support pancaking, the NIST report didn't, then the NIST report went back to pancaking and I think now its the "Pile Driver Theory". The NIST report has changed so often that you have to really follow it to keep track. They still haven't been able to explain wtc7, funny that you guys can. The NIST report explanations constantly change as they are discredited.

They had a pilot (Pilots For 911 Truth) on Alex Jones today who did a structural engineering degree before becomming a pilot for the military. He didn't really think 911 could be an inside job because he didn't think about it until a NOVA special came on TV explaining the pancake theory. He says structures don't behave that way and its obvious that they are lying because none of the supporters for the official story will participate in a public debate. Its a free show and starts at 12:00 Toronto time (EST) and cycles every three hours. His interview comes up about 1 hr & 10 minutes into the show. PrisonPlanetTV - click on listen live link at left (Warning: Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorists and supporters of the official version may not want to hear a conspiracy theorist interview an expert on 911)

The Keane - Zelikow report won't touch the actual collapses, even they were restricted from seeing evidence as was FEMA. The other structural engineering explanations have all been discredited by Hoffman in a way that anyone can see the obvious invalid assumptions they make in arriving at their conclusions. You don't need to be a civil engineer to see through all this nonsense. These reports are largely specualtion and the hypothesis differs between various "experts" who were never allowed to see the evidence. No forensic experts were allowed to conduct a real investigation.