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It sounds reasonable enough to me, but I know for a fact that gays will find this homophobic. No church should be allowed to judge them they will say. And it must be called a marriage just like traditional marriage or it's bigoted by judgemental homophobes. You might want to underline homophobes. No compromise will do. I've had this discussion on other forums, and the militant views are discouraging.

We've been doing it all along, it's called democracy. Remember Sunday shopping? That's other people's busniess. The Olympics in Vancouver? the same...

I'm sorry but I just don't see the point...

Probably true. Tell me something Argus: what purpose does hating Islam accomplish? I will acknowledge that reaching out to Muslim moderates is likely a thankless task for at least the next generation, however, it is an approach that will deliver results in the long run. OTH, vilifying Islam and the people that practice it is guaranteed to ensure the current conflict never ends. Seems to me this is one situation where it is in our best interest to play the naive Pollyanna type even if our cynical selves suspect we are wasting our time. There you are you pesky fella! So anyway, when flying kites many people screw up right off the get go. Pay attention to the twine you get, Riverwind. I''ve seen many kites just flutter away as a hapless kite enthusiest hangs his head with half a roll of cheap twine in his hand. Sometimes they even take to throwing the twine down and stomping on it. I wouldn't want that to happen to you. Get good quality twine, and learn how to tie some effective knots. You want no weak links, my friend. Next time we will go into the dangers of power lines. Perhaps you should read ahead.

Here in Vancouver someone drives a car with the personalized licence plate 'BLACK DOG'. I always wondered if it's BD. Huh, what does he drive?

Nah, Higgly's off his rocker.

Actually, I would say that people like you are a big part of the problem. Islam is a religion practiced by billions. No matter what we do we will have to live with Muslims next door. The only way we are going be able to live in peace is to reach out to Muslims that also wish to live in peace. We cannot reach out to these people by lecturing them about how inferior their religion is. For that reason alone any discussion of Islam must start with the presumption that Islam is a religion of peace and that the Muslims that use it to justify violence are going against the tenets of their religion. Insisting that Islam is a inherently violent religion will simply alienate the moderate Muslims that we need to build a better relationship with. This kind of stuff is human relationship and psychology 101 and it is disturbing that you would rather wallow in hatred instead of looking for real solutions to the problem of terrorism. No, people that blow stuff up in the name of Allah are the problem. I don't care how many practice it. The ones that blow up innocents for Allah are dangerous. I also don't care anymore what you think. Calling me a hater of Islam who wants to exterminate all Muslims shows how bigoted you are. Go fly a kite.

So you can't think critically? Muslims demanding the Pope be fired are only the latest in the Pope Speech 'Scandal'. You ignore the riots, etc. because they happend already? If you want to be obtuse, there wasn't any demonstrations either, silly. They had a meeting only. Says so in the first post.

I'll agree that Republican leadership screwed up on this one. But to see the feeding frenzy in the media and among Dems, I stand by my earlier statement that politics is getting sick.

Uh, Foley responded like he did because he wrote the IMs. I thought that was obvious. No one is saying the IMs are false. I for one am asking the question who benefits? Who released them? How did this blogger get ahold of them? I don't know why in the world Foley wasn't disciplined and put on probation of some sort a long time ago, but it's quite obvious his enemies held onto this evidence until it could do the most damage. Foley did the right thing at the end, if even for the wrong reasons. On another thread I outlined a few Dems who have been caught in sexual scandals before, and the Dems have always responded to such situations with denial, defense and lying. Foley has regigned, quit his career and is under investigation by the FBI. To see the Dems going after more and more Republicans and trying to take down as many as they can is hypocritical to say the least.

Try rioting. Uttering threats. Attacks and buring buildings. Murder. Your quick sweeping downgrade to a 'demonstration' isn't fooling anyone who can think. All over a few sentenses in a speech they disagree with. They are the bigots.

No offense but this thread contains pretty much the type of anti-Moslem bigot rant that seems to be standard at MLW. You read these threads and you would be hard pressed to think that there are hundreds of millions of Moslems world wide who are doctors, lawyers, surveyors, teachers, accountants, street sweepers, cooks, salespeople, what have you. Apparently they are all wild-eyed terrorists. Nothing like sweeping generalizations to justify your love of the word bigot. For suggesting that Islam might condone violence and using Koran scriptures that advocate killing infidels, I have been called a bigot, racist, and a hater of Muslims who wants to exterminate all of them. No one who has disagreed with me thus far has been able to restrain their prejudice against me. Posters like the one above simply can't fathom someone who disagrees with Islam on the matter of killing infidels without hate. Add to that list of professions terrorists who believe they are doing Allah's work. It's a fact of life, in the news every day. Blaming the messenger helps to avoid confronting the problem.

Something I've been wondering myself. It seems beyond the attention span of a teenager to save an instant message for several months (does anyone save them that long) and then somhow it gets into ABC's hands? Right when it would do the most in manipulating the election. I don't know about the anti-gay issue, it could be since few are as militant as gays scorned, but at least it smells like an orchestrated plot. Foley is a creep who should have dealt with his problem, but I'm waiting to see what charges are laid since it's been reported the teenager in question was 18, not 16 as previously reported.

The word infidel is not in the Quran either since the Quran is written in Arabic. The Bible clearly has 'standing orders' to kill non-believers or sinners which is the same what a Muslim calls an 'infidel' in English. You can deny it if you like but any reader of this thread will see that your assertion that the Bible has no such standing orders' has been proven unequivocally false. Okay, I see what you mean. I was completely wrong. Thank you for showing me where I was wrong. I feel much better now.

Okay, look. This is simple. The word infidel is not in the bible. Even though you threaten me with your education, this is still true. I_N_F_I_D_E_L. Not there. Also, you seemed to have missed it, but your scriptures, though colourful, do not meet the criteria. Standing orders for Christians to kill infidels, like in the Koran.

News flash: 'witch' means 'infidel' in Christianity. Your statement makes as much sense saying the word Allah does not exist in the Bible. Keep coming with your newsflashes, but Allah isn't in the Bible either. A witch in the Bible is a seer or someone who does spells.

Perhaps YOU should try to find some Muslim forums. I dare you to learn!Is your mind open enough? This from someone who believes in conspiracy theories. The guvermunt did it! I advise you to stay away from conspiracy sites and maybe just stay away from the computer altogether. After all, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Rant: I disagree. I am a no man for my pet causes. And I hope you can also be a no man for your pet causes......like bigotry and ignorance. Do you have what it takes to just say no? Not only are you a yes man, you are a lap dog. A dogmatist who has just proved my earlier comments that you add nothing to the forum. Way to go, keep underachieving!

Speaking of powers of observation......take much out of context? Do I need put in <facetious> html </facetious> to be understood? That was directed to the poster about nothing and was a rip off of a statement he made. Anyway....... I see you have changed the criteria a tad....I thought the question was standing orders to kill....as opposed to orders with a time limit like go forth a slay the amalilites....... "Today's Christians....." "kill infidels" So I will ignore that and continue, because you said please........ The statement I challenged was So without further ado...from the living Bible which is the same yesterday today and tomorrow...standing orders to kill..........whether you do or not is irrelevant, the fact is they are there. Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Exodus 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. Exodus 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto[any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. Leviticus 20:2 Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. (this one is cited especially by the christian terrorists to justify their attacks on clinics and doctors) Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die." So let's examine this short list...cause there are even more...... Suffer a witch to live.......clearly witches are "infidels" To give your seed to molech.....which is the sacrificing of babies to the god molech.....infidels...... And the rest are...honour killings...... Hilarious! None meet the criteria, but maybe you received some benefit from reading someting you wouldn't normally do. BTW, in the Bible, the word infidels does not exist. Good of you to try and insert it, but no dice.

Can't you read English? This is not about criticizing terrorists. It is about you spreading hatred of an entire religion while you are pretending to 'criticize terrorists'. I and others have already demonstrated why your claims that the Islam is 'violent religion' are completely bogus yet you continue to insists that those claims are true. Then you try to turn around and acuse the people that point out your hypocrasy and contradictions as 'supporters of terrorism'. Why don't you just admit that you hate Mulsims and that you wish to exterminate all Mulsims. You are a one trick pony, pal. You hatred of me shows that you can't understand basic concepts. It is possible to hold the opinion that Islam is a violent religion and not hate Muslims. If I am wrong, I am wrong. The evidence I have shown you in the Koran you have swatted aside without looking at all but a few verses, making the generalizations that they must ALL be taken out of context. Further I never accused you anywhre of supporting terrorists. You make giant leaps of logic where it suits you, but can't look at the Koran with anything but adoration. You are a zealot. Any criticism of Islam is forbidden with you. Perhaps you should find some Muslim forums, they will appreciate your point of view.

Rant: Your stereotyping is pathetic and you obviously can't make simple deductions because YOUR ignorance prevents you from seeing anything objectively. You are nothing more than a smart ass with a computer. You add nothing this forum and are just another yes man for your pet causes. How boring.

Your friggen strawmen are rediculous. You have stated that it is wrong to criticize Christianity because a few Christians kill abortion doctors yet you insist on criticizing Islam because some Muslims engage in terrorist attacks. Why can't you see how hypocritical you are? Your line of argument is no different than people in the past who argued that there was something inherently wrong with Jews and Judaism. I defend Islam from your attacks for the same reason I would defend Jews or any other religious or ethnic group from attacks from people who are only interested in encouraging hatred of an entire group rather than blaming the individuals who commit crimes. You still won't criticize Muslim terrorists. Okay, fine. I know I can't get you to see that with all the calls to Jihad in the Koran, Islam is a violent religion. So I thought I'd at least see if you would criticize Muslim terrorists. To be honest, I didn't think you would.

So, can you agree that Muslims that blow themselves up are dangerous without bringing up other whackos and saying they do it too? Yes I am saying more than that but I was trying to point out that I haven't heard 1 iota of criticism from some posters on Muslim extremists. Only defense. Anyway, you have not changed my mind, only revealed to me that some will not criticize Islam at any cost, even when murderers are involved. Am I wrong? I invite you to criticize them now.

Is that all muslims or some muslims....? The Muslims that are blowing themselves up. It's actually self explanitory. And Riverwind, now I have you resorting to namecalling. Mindless hatred? Because I think Muslims that blow themselves up are dangerous? This is beyond me, you two posters can not even admit that Muslim extremists that blow themselves up are bad. You just bring up other religions and say they do it too. That's the best you have? Oh, and name calling.

Good for you Dancer.