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Which is just as much evidence as there is against Trump! Actually a bit more because you are here to make the accusation.

I didn’t. You tried to claim Covid was as bad as the flu and I showed how it was worse. I called out my government at all levels. I exercised my vote. Cool story. So you are just gonna pretend you didn’t say all the crap you just did starting with this: ”About what......5000 children? Tragic yes, every child death is tragic. But that was the problem vaccines were going to solve. Over 70 shots per year now, given to newborn babies. To prevent 5000 deaths. More children die from other causes per year.” Your posting so far shows otherwise.

Yeah, sure, you and just about every average person can go to the grocery store and buy 100 different kinds of bread any time you want to, but of course, there is that poor homeless person on the street corner so f&ck your system, you should all be miserable and stand in line together.

You were the one who started this discussion with the 99% metric. I showed you how that was dumb, now you pivot to IFR and criticize me for responding to the very metric you were the one who started to use in this discussion. I get what IFR is, again, the IFR of Covid was not comparable to the Flu... which is obvious on its face, or far fewer people would have died. Yeah, "eventually," COVID has gotten to the point where it is no longer as deadly, so what? It was not that way initially. It did not happen quickly and we are looking back in hindsight. No one could have predicted perfectly how long it would take for COVID to play out. In the early days of COVID, the IFR was around the 1% mark. 1% is 25 times larger than .04%. I am concerned about them. You are comparing apples to oranges. The COVID vaccine is not every other vaccine. Do you think it is worse to get a polio vaccine in 1955 or to get polio? Once again, apples to apples and you are here making up crap about me I never said. We are not talking about suffering in an subjective feelings sense. Like, OMG, I had to stay home for 6 months and it was miserable suffering, we are talking about being paralyzed for life, living in an Iron lung kind of suffering. For the record, if you bothered to pay any attention to anything I have said on here, I did not support the lockdowns or mandates or mask mandates or half the stupid shit they did for COVID. What does any of that have to do with you thinking kids should still be living in iron lungs, 20,000 getting paralyzed for life, and dying by the thousands every year because you are anti-vax? Even if this were true, you are not very good at countering random google posts... LOL

Oh, so now it is not just 1 girl, you think he slept with more than one. You base this on... what? I mean, other than your irrational hatred of the man, do you have anything of substance?

1-2 deaths out of 100 is not a high survival rate. Are you just not that good at math or something? America has a population of some 320 million, 1 death out of 100 = 3.2 million dead. That is A LOT. Now you are pulling the classic West argument, where everything goes back to the mandate. When have I ever advocated mandating the vaccine to everyone? That is not what our discussion was ever about here. Then you accuse me of not being able to reason critically? No, once again, you just make up crap to argue against. Well, if you want to go by IFR, you are still wrong. COVID was not "slightly" higher, it was much higher, evidenced by the fact that far more people died... I mean, seriously, this was the same ignorant garbage pushed back in 2020. It has been common both to make and to resist comparisons that equate the Covid-19 pandemic to influenza. We take the comparison between Covid-19 and flu seriously by asking how many years of influenza and pneumonia deaths are needed for cumulative deaths to those two causes to equal the cumulative toll of the Covid-19 pandemic between March 2020 and February 2023-that is, three years of pandemic deaths. We find that in one state alone-Hawaii-three years of Covid-19 mortality is equivalent to influenza and pneumonia mortality in the three years preceding the Covid-19 pandemic. For all other states, at least nine years of flu and pneumonia are needed to match Covid-19; for the United States as a whole, seventeen years are needed; and for four states, more than 21 years (the maximum observable) are needed. These results provide an easy-to-understand calibration of flu as a heuristic for Covid-19, and vice versa. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37162957/#:~:text=Abstract,-19%2C and vice versa. OK, and? The point is still the same. That your trying to say that you still get COVID with or without the jab is stupid as "the jab" reduced the risk of death and serious illness. At least not the easily preventable ones, no. The goal here is to provide facts and truth in response to your absurd positions. People die and get seriously sick from those diseases, and you are here acting like it is no big deal and people should just get them instead of being vaccinated. OMG, what an absurdly ignorant argument. First, not even bothering with your chart or how accurate it is, since you provided no source for where you got it... also, it is only a snapshot of the year prior, not a reflection of how some years there were epidemics and far more deaths and serious illnesses. But lets look at one disease: Polio. Death is not the only concern. I keep saying severe illness before now, because the fact that you might live, doesn't mean the suffering to get there was good. in 1952 there were 3,000 deaths from Polio, not 1300 in 1955, and there were another some 20,000 cases of irreverable paralytic polio leaving children permanently disabled. Thousands of those suffered severe respiratory paralysis and had to live in an iron lung for the short lives they had. You sit here ignorantly, acting like oh well, only 1300 kids died from polio, no big deal! Now, if we were to go disease by disease, there is far more impact than those deaths would suggest. Here we go again, you are making up more BS about me. I will take this as you admitting you are a totally anti-vax person and not just against COVID. I have educated myself, and I have dealt with loony toons, ignorant anti-vaxxers for a long time now.

Really. OK, who was she? Where is she now? What evidence did she have to corroborate her story? Claims of rape with no real substance or evidence don't prove anything. When Brett Kavanaugh was put up for the Supreme Court, the FBI received something like 5,000 tips. Welcome to the life of popular people, where they get accused of all sorts of crap for all sorts of reasons. But yeah, sure, let's go with the very plausible notion that the FBI covered this all up and hid the files so well that an entire Biden administration never knew... or maybe Biden was in on the cover-up too!??? The DOJ and FBI do not release files on every criminal case, nor was anything ever hidden in Epstein's case. But back to that big conspiratorial cover-up, I guess Biden was in on that, too? So, in summary, you are sitting here accusing Trump of being a pedophile and raping little girls based on nothing.

How are you such a two faced hypocrite like this? Almost all you do on this forum anymore is copy-paste BS, link to Facebook videos...

LOL, that about sums up the lefts thoughts on how bad the health care system is: So what! Herbie would have been such a staunch communist that he would have proudly stood in the bread lines, cursing anyone complaining.

How do you know what I say is based on what the TV tells me? You are just making up crap about me, like you had to continually make up crap I never said. Why? Because you are incapable of simply dealing with the facts and someone who can tear apart your bad arguments. I could have trained monkeys typing out random things for me to say... all that matters is your inability to actually refute it. LOL, if they were better, you could actually defend them instead of ignoring my response.

Oh man, bringing out the old talking points. No, the survival rate was closer to 98%, but that was an average, depending on your age, your health, or any other conditions you might have, your chances of survival were A LOT less than 98%. The stupidity of that is that 1-2 deaths out of 100 is still A LOT. Yes, you can still get into a car crash even with your seatbelt on, but wearing it greatly increases your chances of survival. You know what is better than surviving chicken pox, measles, and mumps? Never getting it to begin with. Never having to go to the hospital to begin with. Not dying from it. I thought way earlier you said you were not against vaccines and you supported the measles vax. So... now you don't support any of those vaccines either?

OK, make your case because saying I am susceptible to whatever the TV tells me is just a petty ad hom fallacy. Ah yes, you made an awful argument and instead of dealing with that, now you move on to the grand conspiracy that I just do not understand! What I do understand is that you made an awful argument about the vaccine and deaths. You are the one talking about TV here, not me. If there was something I said here or provided here that you think was not true, lets see your refutation. Enough of the hasty generalizations.

OMG, this thread is two people from opposite ends of the fringe going at it with equally absurd nonsense. There is no evidence that Trump ever screwed any 13-year-old. You are in one pool, the deep end, screaming at someone else in another pool in the deep end.

If we are talking about the US, as you now say below, it was not closer to 10%. It still isn't that high today. Same difference either way. You provided no reasons above. Good for you and you clearly have no idea what I believe as you continue to make up crap I have never said. I never said I do not believe in natural immunity, I already stipulated about it earlier in that to get that immunity you have to SURVIVE. If you are now defining natural immunity as just having immunity, the number of people with this would be very small and not something you can make national policy off of to oppose vaccines. I never said I believe all unvaccinated people who got COVID are infectious, but that is a logical deduction to make because that is how infectious diseases work. There might be some odd unicorns out there. If natural immunity was so amazing and widespread, there never would have been a Pandemic, because everyone would have been naturally immune. There would be no disease at all and no deaths from disease! That is not how the world works. Now, if you mean natural immunity in that if you SURVIVE a disease, your body has built up the immune system... sure, that happens, but even then, it is not always perfect or flawless becoming some magic shield forever more protecting you.

I did not say all arguments carry the same weight; I said mine carried as much as yours did here, in you saying so vs my saying so. It really does help if you would stop this game of misrepresenting what I say like this. For the millionth time, I never said this either.

Once again, you keep making up crap I did not say. I never said "we should expect deaths to go up" You are not saying I am wrong, you keep arguing against something I did not say and ignoring what I did say even after I have copied and pasted it like half a dozen times for you now.

Once again, you keep hiding behind this "tiny number of unvaccinated" when that number was roughly 10-20% of the entire population which amounts to MILLIONS of people. We are talking about 20,000 dead, the worst year in Canada. There were no millions of deaths or millions of excess deaths in Canada. It is perfectly reasonable to say that MILLIONS of unvaccinated would still continue to die to the tune of 20,000 dead. It is a simple fact that the unvaccinated were a majority of the COVID deaths. The highest proportions of hospitalized cases and deaths were reported among those who were unvaccinated, followed by those who completed a primary series. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/reports-publications/canada-communicable-disease-report-ccdr/monthly-issue/2024-50/issue-1-2-january-february-2024/covid-19-outcome-trends-vaccination-status-canada.html

Yes, you are ignoring it. I responded to your points and they have just as much weight in my saying so as yours did with you just saying so. You can't actually engage on the facts, so instead you want to play another logical fallacy game of trying to impugn my authority. Facts are facts, logic is logic, good argument is good argument. I don't have to be anyone special. Besides, you have already shown here you completely disregard what experts say anyhow. Here you go, again:

It is not his mess if Iran chooses to retaliate against global shipping, and if you are going to cry about it, then pony up and do something. Go protect your interests.

Interesting. If that were true, why did you ignorantly and falsely claim I was only citing the headline? Nope, I never made any such claim about the "entire" program. Listen, I will give you the benefit of the doubt here that you are just too stupid to keep track of who you are talking to on this one and not chop it up to your usual dishonesty. Except that this was not part of their normal housing program; it was part of the 2 billion trees program, as I have repeatedly provided evidence for. Quoted directly from the article you claimed to have read and used yourself. Quote that part. Let's see where it says that. Nope, I was quite clear: Typical pathetic Beaver response. You accused me of only using the headline. I show you that I, in fact, quoted from the article. Instead of responding to that and admitting you were wrong, you change the subject.

I already pointed this out several times now, you keep ignoring it. Depends on how deadly and harmful the disease is, how contagious, how many are infected... My argument is that it is illogical for you to claim that just because people are vaccinated, overall deaths should go down to the same rates as before the Pandemic. COVID was a very contagious and deadly disease and vaccination did not happen overnight, it took a campaign to achieve high levels and STILL the unvaccinated continued to die and the vaccine was not a magic shield, it reduced risk of death and serious illness, it did not stop it. So why would deaths be presumed to go down to pre-pandemic levels when unvaccinated were still getting sick and dying as well as fewer people who got vaccinated? Yes, and millions were still unvaccinated. A large chunk. That mass vaccination did not happen overnight either. Now? Yes... and now COVID is hardly a concern at all anymore. They had not in 2021 - 2023. They still have not. Again, you keep making up crap I did not say. I never said anything about "we should not expect deaths to go down" or that "we should expect them to go up" I merely explained why they went up and how it is not logical to simply presume they would go down, or should have, as you argued.

Now you are playing the dumb percentage vs total game that I repeatedly had to call out West for. How many total deaths in Canada were there each year? And how does that compare to that "tiny %" of unvaccinated people? Only 20,000 died in 2022 in Canada. There were still millions unvaccinated. So yeah, they can still account for that many deaths.

COVID-19 Mortality Update — United States, 2022 COVID-19 was associated with approximately 244,000 deaths in the United States during January–December 2022. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7218a4.htm The age-adjusted COVID-19 death rate declined 47% compared with 2021. As in 2020 and 2021, most COVID-19 deaths occurred in a hospital inpatient setting, but an increasing percentage occurred in the decedent’s home or a nursing home or long-term care facility.

I made a statement based on the facts. You saying it goes against epidemiology, vaccinology and immunology doesn't make it so. I have provided just as much, if not more, than you have in this discussion so far.

Yes, deaths went up. The unvaccinated continued to die. The pandemic and COVID continued as the virus mutated. Mass vaccination was not achieved overnight; it took time. Covid deaths went up and down with waves of the virus, but they did not increase year over year, deaths did start to decline. In Canada they were down in 2023 and in the US they were down in 2022. I am saying nothing about "years" later until now, just above, that shows deaths were gown down by 2023. I have shown just as much "work" here as you have. No, you keep ignoring the whole argument, notice how you put the ... there. Yes, this is a battle of logic. You offered nothing more than an illogical statement and I countered it.