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No, not my argument at all. Depends on how deadly and harmful the disease is, how contagious, how many are infected... My argument is that it is illogical for you to claim that just because people are vaccinated, overall deaths should go down to the same rates as before the Pandemic. COVID was a very contagious and deadly disease and vaccination did not happen overnight, it took a campaign to achieve high levels and STILL the unvaccinated continued to die and the vaccine was not a magic shield, it reduced risk of death and serious illness, it did not stop it. So why would deaths be presumed to go down to pre-pandemic levels when unvaccinated were still getting sick and dying as well as fewer people who got vaccinated? Not only do I have a clue as to what I am talking about, but I also understand basic logic here. You want to run away because you are being called out.

Yes, they can show vaccines reduced both severe illness and death FOR THOSE WHO WERE VACCINATED There are so many studies on this I could post them all day long. "After weighting for demographic factors and 41 underlying health conditions, the researchers found that vaccinated adults had a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID and a 25% lower risk of all-cause mortality. Further analysis showed that vaccinated people consistently had a lower risk of death, regardless of the cause. Mortality was 29% lower within 6 months for vaccinated adults." https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/mrna-covid-vaccines-tied-drop-death-rate-4-years#:~:text=After weighting for demographic factors,low rate of serious complications. Meaning These findings suggest that COVID-19 vaccines offered protection against hospitalization and severe in-hospital outcomes during the 2024-2025 season, in which multiple JN.1 lineages evolved and circulated. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2844612

Not as many. To the point, the unvaccinated continued to die, which would mean deaths would not go back to pre-pandemic levels. That "immunity" comes from SURVIVING Covid, not never getting it in the first place. That was my point. You can get immunity far more safely from a vaccine vs surviving the virus. That is not an option for older people, sick people, or unhealthy people. You can't expect them to all risk severe illness and death for natural immunity. It does. I have already had this argument with West and proven him wrong with the data over and over again. Deaths increased... how? That matters. If more and more unvaccinated continue to die, what does that have to do with saying something about the Covid vaccine?

-And yet, the unvaccinated still died. You can't claim that just because there is a vaccine rollout, deaths should go back to pre-pandemic levels. The pandemic is still happening, and people are still dying. -There is no evidence to suggest that people en masse had any natural immunity to COVID. Sick people, unhealthy people, old people were still more vulnerable. -No, the data doesn't show that. The data shows that the majority of deaths were from unvaccinated. -The vax did in fact lower death and severe illness requiring hospitalizations.

This is such lousy logic. No, this would not happen at all if unvaccinated people continued dying as well as fewer vaccinated.

Have you figured out if you are meeting your NATO spending obligations yet?

Wow! There you go, just a bit further now, and you are almost there! Its easy. Watch me: Iran was wrong to shut down the Strait of Hormuz, and its actions are one of the last options of a dying regime desperate to lash out. The Trump administration and Israel are degrading Iran's capability to project any power into the Strait every day.

You still can't bring yourself to criticize Iran for its actions. Why?

Yes. Notice how you continue to attack him and blame him. Not a bad word about Iran.

No, you are copying and pasting other people's opinions.

No, because Iran threatened global shipping in the Strait. Why do you suck up to and cover for the Iranian regime?

Another worthless trolling lazy spambot thread. No source, no link, just some random copy-paste BS that doesn't even cite who said this. Come up with your own thoughts.

Most of them here seem to be. You did not provide a fact, you provided an absurd hasty generalization that is false on its face.

Except it isn't. You are just a petty liar.

Hey coward, how come you can come out of hiding for this garbage but won't when you are shown what a sad pathological liar you are?

You ran like the coward you are from the thread on the ANTIFA Terrorists thugs who got convicted in Texas for ambushing an ICE facility and shooting an officer. You ran like the coward you are from your own thread on this subject where I pointed out a long list of criminal acts ANTIFA was engaged in.

Because you can't form your own substantive thoughts. It is lazy spam to just link to other leftists' opinions.

Not an opinion. You ran like the coward you are from the thread on the ANTIFA Terrorists thugs who got convicted in Texas for ambushing an ICE facility and shooting an officer. You ran like the coward you are from your own thread on this subject where I pointed out a long list of criminal acts ANTIFA was engaged in.

Well, this forum certainly has some lazy spambots, you being one of them.

There was no "sucking up to Putin"

There are no "convictions" The fact that you and other leftists feel so compelled to continually lie about this point shows you know how weak this point really is.

Such a sad, pathetic person you are. I quoted the first paragraph of the article, not the headline. You can't argue the facts, so this is all you are left with. A better person would have just admitted they were wrong days ago. This is the headline: Department of National Defence is planting trees at military housing sites This is the fisrt paragraph I quoted: The Department of National Defence will plant nearly 14,500 trees on military housing sites over the next five years as part of the federal government’s two billion trees program. https://www.nationalobserver.com/2022/08/09/news/department-national-defence-planting-trees-military-housing-sites

Just facts. Why you have to be so obstinate and dishonest about it is beyond me.

And yet you didn't and refused to admit it and kept denying it and calling it a lie over and over again and once again were here trying to claim it was not 2 billion dollars... when it was more. Also, I have repeatedly pointed this out to you and you keep ignoring it: The Department of National Defence will plant nearly 14,500 trees on military housing sites over the next five years as part of the federal government’s two billion trees program. https://www.nationalobserver.com/2022/08/09/news/department-national-defence-planting-trees-military-housing-sites No, it was part of the tree planting program, not just normal routine landscaping as you tried to claim. The Department of National Defence will plant nearly 14,500 trees on military housing sites over the next five years as part of the federal government’s two billion trees program. https://www.nationalobserver.com/2022/08/09/news/department-national-defence-planting-trees-military-housing-sites

"Just sent some arms." That IS interving. That does have a cost. Also, we have done far more than your country has and continue to do so. We are the single largest provider of aid, and much of the money everyone else is spending is still our industrial base, creating the munitions for Ukraine. It sure isn't Canada doing it. There was no "conspiring" with the enemy. You guys sit around crying about America but without us, there would be no real resistance to Russia.