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A country bigger than his in geography but not in useful land. Canada has 38,259,000 hectares of arable land. The US has 157,736,800 hectares Much of Canada is frozen desert unfit for human habitation, or just barely fit. When the Liberals came to power they floated the idea of expanding our population and the trial balloons were shot down in a near-unanimous hail of contempt. So being the great lovers of democracy they are they set out to do it anyway, with their eager lapdops in the NDP helping them along. The result is millions of people from the third world who barely speak English, often have no job skills, contribute little to the economy and don't earn enough to pay income tax while occupying much of our public housing and emergency shelters. Huge housing cost increases and diminishing access to healthcare are the results of deliberate policy on the part of the Left to show how virtuous and anti-racist they are by inviting all the world's brown people to come to Canada.

I guess I'm just too smart for you to understand. You SAY she read the entire report. And it doesn't mention names. But the names are known. THAT is the only information having the secret clearance would be useful for. And you can be damned sure Trudeau knows those names, as do other senior people in the PMO. They're just not going to tell any outsiders, including her. You simply can't face the fact that your beloved Liberals are the most secretive government in Canadian history and care nothing about national security.

The irony is this is killing the Conservatives - in the UK, too. They promised to lower immigration to 100k but it's risen to 685k instead and is estimated to be going up another 100k this year. They also can't seem to get a handle on illegal migration. This has all caused, guess what, a big bump in housing costs and made it harder to get in to see a doctor. NOT a coincidence. They're going to be slaughtered by Labour, a left wing party, which is promising to drastically cut immigration.

If liberals insist that enforcing borders is a job only fascists will do, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals won't. - David Frum 2018

Don't worry, Michael. I've never thought reality was important for you whenever the subject veers into identity politics territory. There you seem to be me to be pretty much in lockstep with Trudeau and Singh.

Because it's moronic. It's like the Jews demanding the Allies stop bombing Germany and halt their invasion because civilians are dying there.

In other words, the Liberals won't tell her the names, even though she has this glorious clearance the Left is frantically demanding Poilievre get. You just explained why. Because the clearance is meaningless. The Liberals won't tell anyone anything they don't want them to know about. Including the judge investigating foreign interference.

Yes, but your thinking is guided by a desperate level of political correctness I do not possess. I can't ignore the reality that newcomers are VASTLY more likely to be influenced into helping their previous homelands. Especially when they're told from the moment they set foot in Canada that this is not a real nation and is nothing but a seething mass of racism, oppression and white supremacy.

If they start murdering people in job lots with suicide attacks and bombings I'm sure we will. No, in fact, that's not what matters. The Palestinians eagerly started a war with Israel and now refuse to surrender. That means more of them are going to die. Tough noogies.

The discussion was about gay people supporting Hamas. Maybe you need to take your pills.

I'll just put this here, shall I? In their criticism, Israel's opponents are erasing a remarkable, historic new standard Israel has set. In my long career studying and advising on urban warfare for the U.S. military, I've never known an army to take such measures to attend to the enemy's civilian population, especially while simultaneously combating the enemy in the very same buildings. In fact, by my analysis, Israel has implemented more precautions to prevent civilian harm than any military in history—above and beyond what international law requires and more than the U.S. did in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Israel sets new standard for urban warfare.

I did not say there might not be some white Canadians who benefited. But it would not surprise me if 90% were immigrants. They are far more likely to be influenced on behalf of their native country.

Uh, disagree on many things? The Hamas people want the gay people to die. Do you think that's just a disagreement they can ignore? I mean, don't get me wrong, the gay pride people ARE ignoring it. But that just shows that their ideology is more important to them than their sexuality.

Pride week/day/month is not a holiday of any kind. And the pride people seem quite content to exclude anyone they deem to have views or professional affiliations they dislike. That most especially includes gays and lesbians who do not accept the entirety of the trans agenda.

Agreed. However, I don't see why governments should fund these things. And I don't see why we should be exempting the gay pride parade from normal laws around things like indecent exposure.

I said the majority. I'm talking about the MPs that the report says were elected with help from the PRC. The MPs who were giving information to another country's intelligence service and helping to influence their colleagues on behalf of another country. As for the Conservative leadership, the report did not say which campaigns China and India interfered in or on behalf of or against which candidates. For example, I could see China interfering in the 2018 campaign to ensure Michael Chong did as poorly as possible. I'd have to look at the foreign policy positions of the candidates in the last few elections to see if anything they had there might have encouraged or irritated China or India.

Do you really think that the majority of the candidates China and India are influencing, and the Canadians they influence through social media and get to vote for these candidates are 'old stock' Canadians as opposed to their own expatriates? Seriously?

Andrew Coyne's take on this is somewhat like my own. Which is that the absence of patriotism, the absence of any loyalty to Canada on behalf of these MPs - most if not all of whom are likely immigrants - ought to be fairly predictable and understandable. They grew up in 'real' countries, and are just here to earn some money. Not because they love Canada. And who's fault is that but us? We demand nothing of them. We do no screening to try to sift among the mass of applications for those who truly want to reject their old life and start a new one and are adaptable enough to do so. And we tell them from the moment they get off the plane that we're a racist society and they're being oppressed. The case of the traitorous parliamentarians raises an intriguing question: Is it possible to commit crimes against the national security of a country that does not believe it is a nation and makes no effort to defend its security? After decades of entertaining the idea that the whole thing could be wound up at any minute on the vote of a single province, and after years of being told that the Canadian experience was, from the start, a crime against humanity, it’s hard to get too worked up about a little light treason. If, what is more, we cannot be bothered to defend ourselves, preferring, as we have for generations, to free-ride on the Americans, can we blame other countries for drawing the appropriate conclusions? If we think so little of ourselves, if we ask so little of ourselves, if there is so little here here, is it any wonder that we should ultimately come to see this reflected in the people who represent us? https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-what-else-do-you-call-it-when-people-conspire-against-their-own/

There will be no charges. Just like the MPs who are known to have benefited from Chinese help in the previous election won't be charged - or named. Just like the unnamed MPP who took money from China and then distributed it to pro-China candidates in the federal election. Heard anything about that other than crickets?

We've known since the CSIS leaks that a bunch of MPs got help from the Chinese and that the Chinese even funneled money through a provincial MPP who redistributed it to China friendly candidates. Heard anything about charges there? Nope.

Anyone who owned property back then is long dead. And there's not a lot of evidence that was widespread. I'm sure a lot of Jews can complain about the same thing since a million of them were expelled from surrounding Arab states around the same time No such things.

I suppose if I didn't want to live under a Jewish government I'd sell my property to some of the Jews coming in and then move next door to one of the other Arab-governed states. Although as we have seen, there is no Arab-governed state with as much freedom for Arabs as the Arabs in Israel proper have. There are few Muslim states where Muslims have as much freedom either.

Always interesting to see what outsiders think of the Trudeau government's virtue signalling idiocy around controlling offensive speech. A bill making its way through the Canadian Parliament would impose draconian criminal penalties on hate speech and curtail people’s liberty in order to stop crimes they haven’t yet committed. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/canada-online-harms-act/678605/

Israel's creation was agreed to by the world. It's not anyone's fault they failed to realize the deep, psychotic level of suicidal hatred that was so prevalent in the nearby Muslim communities. Putting Israel there did not cause any problems. The problems were and are caused by the local Muslims and their fanatic hatred.

There are no international laws governing immigration. That's what the voters want. It remains to be seen if that's what the political class wants. It's certainly not what the Liberals or NDP want. Damn those Jews for... defending themselves! So you don't want Jews but you want lots and lots of Muslims. Wouldn't you just be happier to move to a Muslim country?